Decks Used Against Arena with Stats 1.32

[Blacksmith]

Very nice thread!
I like the idea and that you add statics make this thread really worth reading. However I have some ideas.

The bronze decks is all upped. Most people grinding bronze grind un upped I suggest adding at least 1or 2 un upped and un rare decks.
For example

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Now just some tips to some decks.
The Smarter Mono-Aether FG Grinder    A good deck but I would suggest adding 2sows instead of a dragon and a pend. YOu rather draw a Sow than a dragon.

Mono Air Rush by Ian   I suggest removing the weapons and the shields to add 3 fog shields and another sofree.

Chaos Wyrms Redone Since you don't need 6 wyrms to play 6 chaos seeds I suggest removing 1wyrm for a fog shield ,would really help in this deck.

The rol hope decks isn't really good I think.

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I use this one and I use to get around 40% win rate. I fyou don't have a nymph you can add another dragon or upped angel.

At last I miss a Fractal+Bal+Sop deck. Even if the winrate isn't as big as it used to be I still think it's at elast 35& in plat and higher in gold silver.

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[Pella]

Just found this thread. I enjoy keeping stats on decks, so I'll start adding some, too.

I'd like to add my favorite upped mono-Death deck into the mix, if I may. I've been plowing through Silver with it, and it wins against Gold a decent amount, too. I haven't been keeping stats on it, though. Now that I know there's real community interest, I'll start.

[Blaze]

Can you add stats for the decks please?

Very nice thread!
I like the idea and that you add statics make this thread really worth reading. However I have some ideas.

The bronze decks is all upped. Most people grinding bronze grind un upped I suggest adding at least 1or 2 un upped and un rare decks.
For example

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4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4vh 4vh 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 55q 55q 590 590 590 590 590 590 5c1 5c1 5f6 5f6 5lm 5og 5og 61q 61q 8pm

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Now just some tips to some decks.
The Smarter Mono-Aether FG Grinder    A good deck but I would suggest adding 2sows instead of a dragon and a pend. YOu rather draw a Sow than a dragon.

Mono Air Rush by Ian   I suggest removing the weapons and the shields to add 3 fog shields and another sofree.

Chaos Wyrms Redone Since you don't need 6 wyrms to play 6 chaos seeds I suggest removing 1wyrm for a fog shield ,would really help in this deck.

The rol hope decks isn't really good I think.

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5lk 5lk 5lk 5lk 7hi 7hi 7hi 7hi 7jp 7jp 7jp 7jp 7jp 7jq 7kc 808 808 808 808 808 808 808 808 808 808 80i 80i 80i 80i 80i 8pp

I use this one and I use to get around 40% win rate. I fyou don't have a nymph you can add another dragon or upped angel.

At last I miss a Fractal+Bal+Sop deck. Even if the winrate isn't as big as it used to be I still think it's at elast 35& in plat and higher in gold silver.

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[Cielo]

Very nice thread!
I like the idea and that you add statics make this thread really worth reading. However I have some ideas.

The bronze decks is all upped. Most people grinding bronze grind un upped I suggest adding at least 1or 2 un upped and un rare decks.

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For example

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4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4vh 4vh 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 55q 55q 590 590 590 590 590 590 5c1 5c1 5f6 5f6 5lm 5og 5og 61q 61q 8pm

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4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4vh 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vl 4vl 4vl 55v 55v 590 590 590 590 590 5c1 5c1 5f6 5f6 5og 5og 61q 61q 8pm

Now just some tips to some decks.
The Smarter Mono-Aether FG Grinder    A good deck but I would suggest adding 2sows instead of a dragon and a pend. YOu rather draw a Sow than a dragon.

Mono Air Rush by Ian   I suggest removing the weapons and the shields to add 3 fog shields and another sofree.

Chaos Wyrms Redone Since you don't need 6 wyrms to play 6 chaos seeds I suggest removing 1wyrm for a fog shield ,would really help in this deck.

The rol hope decks isn't really good I think.

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5lk 5lk 5lk 5lk 7hi 7hi 7hi 7hi 7jp 7jp 7jp 7jp 7jp 7jq 7kc 808 808 808 808 808 808 808 808 808 808 80i 80i 80i 80i 80i 8pp

I use this one and I use to get around 40% win rate. I fyou don't have a nymph you can add another dragon or upped angel.

At last I miss a Fractal+Bal+Sop deck. Even if the winrate isn't as big as it used to be I still think it's at elast 35& in plat and higher in gold silver.

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Good suggestions!

For unupped Bronze grinder, I guess you must have missed the 'Spoiler for Bronze Archive' in OP where you can find some unupped ones.

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Brave Phoenix By Calindu, submitted by Mystik_
W:46 L:4  %: 92.00% TTW:6

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"I love Pharaoh" By Zeddino, submitted by Zarathustra1883
W:45 L:5  %: 90% TTW:8.73 EM:6/45 EM%: 13.33%

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The Wrecking Ball By Willng3, submitted by Jenkar, further testing by Eaglgenes101 and Cielo
W:159 L:19  %: 89.33% TTW:10.53 EM:9/96 EM%: 9.38%

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Unupped GravityBow By BunkeR, submitted by Bunker
W:43 L:7  %: 86.00% TTW:13

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Chaos Wyrms Redone By Dragonsdemesne, modified and submitted by WNxDarkmaster
W:47 L:8  %: 85.45%

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Fleshboids By Luminous, modified and submitted by Gandora
W:41 L:9  %: 82.00%

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Regen2k9's Unupped MonoDark By Regen2k9, submitted by VegeForsaken
W:41 L:12  %: 77.36%

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For the modifications, it's better to post your stats in details here.
Thank you!

[eaglgenes101]

I suggest that, instead of the current ranking, that the decks be organized like this:
Bronze: Upped Rare Winners (3), Unupped Rare Winners (2)
Silver: Upped Rare Winner, Upped Electrum Winner, Upped Score Winner, Unupped Rare Winner, Unupped Electrum Winner
Gold: Upped Rare Winner, Upped Electrum Winner, Upped Score Winner, Upped Compromise Winner (Greatest Geometric mean of electrum, rares, and score), Unupped Compromise Winner (replace with another upped compromise winner if no unupped decks are submitted)
Plat: Same as gold

[Pella]

EFFICIENCY INDEX - or pay rate...
The electrum per hour (or 'ei' = efficiency index) rating is ALL electrum (won in victories and lost in losses) per ALL matches, with the following formulas (these are the ones I use):

Arena efficieny index {Aei} = (electrum change overall) / (time duration overall)

electrum change overall = (total electrum gained from winning) + 40 * (un-upped cards won/sold) + 1100 * (upped cards won/sold) - (total electrum lost from losing)

time duration overall = (total in-match time during wins AND losses)

I've been keeping track of the actual amount of I receive from selling cards.  I have enough data, though, simply to count the cards and into them into your formula.  Do I need to keep track of the cards sold, or just the cards won?

[rob77dp]

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EFFICIENCY INDEX - or pay rate...
The electrum per hour (or 'ei' = efficiency index) rating is ALL electrum (won in victories and lost in losses) per ALL matches, with the following formulas (these are the ones I use):

Arena efficieny index {Aei} = (electrum change overall) / (time duration overall)

electrum change overall = (total electrum gained from winning) + 40 * (un-upped cards won/sold) + 1100 * (upped cards won/sold) - (total electrum lost from losing)

time duration overall = (total in-match time during wins AND losses)

I've been keeping track of the actual amount of I receive from selling cards.  I have enough data, though, simply to count the cards and into them into your formula.  Do I need to keep track of the cards sold, or just the cards won?

I keep track of cards won.  Here is my reasoning... the most common use of efficiency stats (that would be affected by what you discuss) is a player determining how fast electrum could be acquired with a certain deck.  Hence, tracking the cards won is best.  I believe this because if one wanted simply to gain electrum, a card won would always be sold (regardless of need for collection).  If the card won happens to be one the player is specifically looking for then the player is actually AHEAD of the optimum calc I'm suggesting using (that of assuming to always sell).  If you are "farming" but not selling the cards, you are not after "fastest electrum possible" and hence shouldn't count on the efficiency being accurate for your purposes anyways.

(I hope that makes sense - felt a bit circular in the middle there...)

[bipolars]

I think it might be time to redo the stats. Poison Dials is deffinitly lower than 55% in plat now due to all of the counters and I think Pestals may be making a come back? Just a suggestion to keep this thread relevent!

[Pella]

Do we have an accurate method for determining change in score? I know the FG Statmasta does, but the formula is hidden. I know that delta-score can be calculated using the electrum won, but that's all I know.

Of course, the low-tech way to determine delta-score is to record your score at the beginning and end of a testing session. Yesterday, I was bouncing between leagues, so the "record the score" method would be more tedious, but I can avoid that just by sticking with one league.

Tracking delta-score has never been important to me, really. My score goes up or down, and I find myself able to buy different things for my Arena decks, but tracking details really doesn't matter (and I can bee really anal about stats, so that's saying something). If y'all want me to track delta-score, I will.

[Pella]

I keep track of cards won.

I didn't see anything in your post or formula that allows for rare cards.  An unupped rare will bring more than an unupped common, no?

[rob77dp]

I keep track of cards won.

I didn't see anything in your post or formula that allows for rare cards.  An unupped rare will bring more than an unupped common, no?

I'll give these values, for lack of time, desire, and knowledge/ability to give "better" values. 

Average sell cost of all un-upped, non-Mark, non-Nymph cards (each card weighted equally - essentially, neglecting the fact that certain cards are won more or less... think pillars and cards not used in deck very often like Skeleton):  48.8

Average sell cost of all upped, non-mark, non-Nymph cards (same disclaimer as un-upped, above):  1176.5

I use more conservative values of 40 and 1100 in my spreadsheet formulas - conservative is in my nature (engineering).  Hope that helps you out! 

Do we have an accurate method for determining change in score? I know the FG Statmasta does, but the formula is hidden. I know that delta-score can be calculated using the electrum won, but that's all I know.

Of course, the low-tech way to determine delta-score is to record your score at the beginning and end of a testing session. Yesterday, I was bouncing between leagues, so the "record the score" method would be more tedious, but I can avoid that just by sticking with one league.

Tracking delta-score has never been important to me, really. My score goes up or down, and I find myself able to buy different things for my Arena decks, but tracking details really doesn't matter (and I can bee really anal about stats, so that's saying something). If y'all want me to track delta-score, I will.

Match Style	Formula (score and electrum are same formula)
vs AI, 0~5	={base}+{adder}
vs Arena, B/S/G/P	={base}+{bonus}*0.5*(1+{HP}/100)
vs PVP, 1 & 2	={base}-35*({score}-{opp.score})/({score}+{opp.score})

Variable Cacluation...

Opp Type	base	adder	bonus
AI 0	1	0	---
AI 1	1	{HP}/25	---
AI 2	5	{HP}/20	---
AI 3	10	{HP}/10	---
AI 4	15	{HP}/4	---
AI 5	Score=65; =35	{HP}/4	---
Bronze	-5	---	~8 (check Arena reward)
Silver	-5	---	~70 (check Arena reward)
Gold	-5	---	~140 (check Arena reward)
Plat	-5	---	~198 (check Arena reward)
PVP 1	95	---	---
PVP 2	135	---	---

Let me know if this helps with your inquiry about score.    Also, if you'd like, I can post here or PM you my method for combining the various score and electrum formulas for multiple match types and levels into one big formula.  Let me know.

[Pella]

There's a time and place for everything, including being conservative.

"In everything, moderation." --The Buddha

I think 48.8 -> 40 and 1176.5 -> 1100 is too conservative.  I think figures that are closer to the true averages, yet easier to work with than the true averages, would serve your purpose better.  The estimates 48 and 1175 look like they'd fill that role just right.