what upgraded cards do I start with?

[hermantheowl]

I can get 6 upgrades so far. I would like to take on FG's. I also have an upgraded plague I could sell.
And an EAgle's Eye (from a spin ve AI5)

[Dragoon1140]

If you are running a rainbow, Hourglasses are a necessity.  If you don't use them, Otyughs are the next best thing.

[finkel]

Until you can upgrade several (5-10) cards, don't bother making an anti-false god deck. Farm half-bloods with a mono-aether or a FFQ (I prefer firefly queen, it's more fun, but mono-aether tends to win more, in my experience). My advice would be to farm half-bloods until you have 4-5 Shards of Gratitude (you can get unupgraded ones from top 50). They'll let you get elemental masteries, and win more often, and they're used in almost all the good false god decks nowadays. Next, you can opt for either a rainbow, such as this one: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,1748.0.html (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,1748.0.html) which requires at least 12 upgrades to work proficiently (don't both without the hourglasses, supernovas, and shards of gratitude, which you can win in Top50 and upgrade.

Or you can go with a different false-god grinding deck. Any non-rainbow will net a lower win rate, but will almost always win in much less time and with less headache (fewer choices, less thinking, games take 2-3 minutes, not 5+). An example is the ray of light-fractal-hope deck, which requires at least 5 (I started with 6) shards of gratitude and 6 rays of light upgraded. Here's the version I'm using right now:

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I prefer the RoL/fractal/hope deck, since it doesn't hurt my brain (much much much simpler to use), games take much less time (rainbows almost always spend 10-20 turns after the end of the deck to accumulate enough damage to beat the opponent), and it can beat many opponents that are impossible for rainbow (likewise, It fails against many rainbows pwn), and it wins with elemental mastery more than half the time (around 70-80% of the time for me, since I spend the extra 20-30 seconds doing the math when needed to almost kill the opponent, heal, and then finish him off with the electrocuter). Rainbows almost always win with elemental mastery, but with the RoL/fractal, elemental mastery is very possible, often exceedingly easy (no effort) and usually somewhat difficult (if you don't mind adding some numbers, it's easy), however, it wins games faster than rainbows do (at least, in my experience, having played both for at least 100 games) and therefore gets more cards, which are worth over 1000 electrum, far outweighing the benefits of winning 10%-20% more or getting EMs a little more often. My score has been steadily increasing with FG farming, though you'll probably experience a decrease before you get over the learning curve.

Hope this helps!

[unionruler]

The bare minimum for a generic rainbow anti FG in my opinion is 7 cards:

2x Elite Oty, 3x Electrum Hourglass, 2x SoG

The bare minimum for RoL-Hope in my opinion is 12 cards:

6x RoL, 4x  Tower, 2x SoG

The thing is, the win% for RoL-Hope after you have those goes up much faster with each upgrade, whereas it's a pretty gradual increase for rainbows. Keep grinding AI5 and T50 for electrum for the time being.

[Anothebrother]

if you can aquire 2 titans (likely from t50) i'd do this deck: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,5656.0.html

also, since you can get 3 upgrades scroll down to yaladilae's unupped version of this deck...its better but you need the upped otys

[sSethia]

No one suggested the deck that most of us started with?

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,1615.0.html

Sell the Plague and upgrade Two Otyughs and two Hourglasses. Then try to build that deck.

[Anothebrother]

No one suggested the deck that most of us started with?

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,1615.0.html

Sell the Plague and upgrade Two Otyughs and two Hourglasses. Then try to build that deck.

i built that deck and it sucked... and yes i understand the strategy... you need a lot more upped than that...which is why i suggested a better deck

[sSethia]

No one suggested the deck that most of us started with?

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,1615.0.html

Sell the Plague and upgrade Two Otyughs and two Hourglasses. Then try to build that deck.

i built that deck and it sucked... and yes i understand the strategy... you need a lot more upped than that...which is why i suggested a better deck

It didn't suck for me. I was able to consistently beat Obliterator, Elidnis, Ferox, Fire Queen, Destiny, Gemini, Incarnate, Miracle, Neptune, and Paradox with it.

You don't need a lot more upped than the cards that were stated. The rest that upgraded didn't give much, but at lower cost. You need the Otyughs upgraded for the higher health and the Hourglasses for the drawing power.

[Anothebrother]

No one suggested the deck that most of us started with?

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,1615.0.html

Sell the Plague and upgrade Two Otyughs and two Hourglasses. Then try to build that deck.

i built that deck and it sucked... and yes i understand the strategy... you need a lot more upped than that...which is why i suggested a better deck

It didn't suck for me. I was able to consistently beat Obliterator, Elidnis, Ferox, Fire Queen, Destiny, Gemini, Incarnate, Miracle, Neptune, and Paradox with it.

You don't need a lot more upped than the cards that were stated. The rest that upgraded didn't give much, but at lower cost. You need the Otyughs upgraded for the higher health and the Hourglasses for the drawing power.

Usually, I'd agree with you, but in this game, I totally disagree about the "not the deck but the user"...for example, look at the War.  Many more experienced players and even masters have fallen to lesser players just because their deck was not suited against the other....

if that was some sort of shot at me, I won the first PVP tournament I played in, and how many have you won? I know how to play decks don't worry

And finally, how long ago did you play this starter rainbow? pre Oty-nerf? pre sundial-nerf?  were the FGs as good as they are now?... i played that deck recently (version 1.22 i think) and it didnt work very well...i played essence's (or actually yala's version of essence's) which i previously suggested and it wasnt super awesome but it got the job done...i would also recommend it because upping aether towers helps it and will help if you want to transition to a RoL/Hope deck which is currently accepted as the fastest FG grinder

[finkel]

It didn't suck for me. I was able to consistently beat Obliterator, Elidnis, Ferox, Fire Queen, Destiny, Gemini, Incarnate, Miracle, Neptune, and Paradox with it.

You don't need a lot more upped than the cards that were stated. The rest that upgraded didn't give much, but at lower cost. You need the Otyughs upgraded for the higher health and the Hourglasses for the drawing power.

10/24 gods aren't very good odds :\

My Rol/Fractal/Hope deck has beaten Ferox once, but never since. The bonds are just too many, and the dragons just barely too many for me to heal, so I have to put something like 5 RoL down minimum to stay alive (I forget the math, it depends how many dragons he has out), which doesn't leave enough dragons to kill him in one go, which you have to, since he heals up completely in one turn. The one time I beat him I went for the risky route (probably the only way to beat him with RoL-hope) and played 10-12 RoL as soon as I could, then started spamming dragons with my hope shield up. I just barely killed him, having 2 damage over the minimum required when he played two more bonds.

My deck beats Fire queen 80%+ of the time (1/5 games I just quit when I don't draw an electrocuter before he gets too far in his combo) and osiris around 75%+ (he often plays 2-3 pharaohs in one turn, and eats my RoL before I can lobotomize his pharaohs and then the scarabs. I consistently (95%+) beat Destiny, Miracle, Divine Glory, and several other gods, almost always with elemental mastery.

That deck that you posted is extremely slow. It needs 6 sundials because it's so slow getting started. Rol/Hope has very very short turns (nothing to do other than fractal RoL and eventually dragons, play them, and lobotomize) and wins before the 20th turn, whereas that deck by SG almost always has to start rewinding before it finishes, taking at least twice as long if not more. Most rainbows go the same way, which is why I recommended Puppychow's, which at least gets a higher percentage win rate than RoL/Hope and has a similar dynamic (If you're going to lose, you probably will very quickly).

RoL is just easier to play, faster, more efficient (time spent versus money gained), and has a very comparable winning rate to all the other decks out there. Very few gods have abundant mass-creature control, which is great, since fractals give you access to a LOT of rays of light and dragons. Against neptune, for example, I often win after playing around 30 RoL in total by the end (early flooding is easily counterable by playing 7 minus the number of RoL on the field each turn until you can spam dragons in their place (don't play more than 7 creature except for the kill).

rainbows make my brain hurt :\

[Lluis83]

No one suggested the deck that most of us started with?

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,1615.0.html

Sell the Plague and upgrade Two Otyughs and two Hourglasses. Then try to build that deck.

i built that deck and it sucked... and yes i understand the strategy... you need a lot more upped than that...which is why i suggested a better deck

It didn't suck for me. I was able to consistently beat Obliterator, Elidnis, Ferox, Fire Queen, Destiny, Gemini, Incarnate, Miracle, Neptune, and Paradox with it.

You don't need a lot more upped than the cards that were stated. The rest that upgraded didn't give much, but at lower cost. You need the Otyughs upgraded for the higher health and the Hourglasses for the drawing power.

I also get started with this deck, but I never won consistenly Obliterator, it is a hard good for me, but the others are very possible with a few upgrades.

[Lluis83]

i built that deck and it sucked... and yes i understand the strategy... you need a lot more upped than that...which is why i suggested a better deck

Usually, I'd agree with you, but in this game, I totally disagree about the "not the deck but the user"...for example, look at the War.  Many more experienced players and even masters have fallen to lesser players just because their deck was not suited against the other....

if that was some sort of shot at me, I won the first PVP tournament I played in, and how many have you won? I know how to play decks don't worry

And finally, how long ago did you play this starter rainbow? pre Oty-nerf? pre sundial-nerf?  were the FGs as good as they are now?... i played that deck recently (version 1.22 i think) and it didnt work very well...i played essence's (or actually yala's version of essence's) which i previously suggested and it wasnt super awesome but it got the job done...i would also recommend it because upping aether towers helps it and will help if you want to transition to a RoL/Hope deck which is currently accepted as the fastest FG grinder
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Well, it is very different to play against IA that against other persons. I started the game in the version 1.20 or 1.21 I don't remember and started with SG and I lost most games, but sometimes I won one game, and if i was lucky I get one card, and slowly got upgrading until I changed to Puppy Chow deck. If only you manage to win 15-20% of games against FG, you will win some upgraded cards and that is the fastest way to improve I think.


Also every game that I lost, then I played one in level 5 to recover the "moral". The beggining is the most hard, then with fully upgraded decks, there are many ways to succed.