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Re: [group] The Elemental Engineers https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36819.msg488904#msg488904
« Reply #288 on: April 28, 2012, 10:06:24 am »
Hello, I'm ARTHANASIOS, a realtively new member of this forum and I have found this  :gravity/ :life duo deck and since it is pretty good at farming Silver Decks and there are not a lot of  :gravity/ :life decks around, I have decided to put it here. I hope it is original enough.

 General strategy of this deck: Use your  :life creatures to rush, while using your Gravity Forces wisely to take out dangerous enemy creatures (powerful dragons, creatures with CC or PC etc.). If there is a dangerous or powerful shield around (Dimensional Shield, Hope etc.) wait until you have your Chimera, 1 Gravity Pull and 1 Giant Frog or Elite Cockatrice on hand and plenty of creatures on field. Play your Chimera, absorbing all your creatures into one, then play the Frog/Cockatrice and target it with Gravity Force. Now you have moved the Chimera's Gravity Pull ability to your Frog/Cockatrice and your Chimera has only Momentum, so it can bypass the shield no matter what.

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Re: [group] The Elemental Engineers https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36819.msg488908#msg488908
« Reply #289 on: April 28, 2012, 10:22:07 am »
AFTER TESTING: well, forget the deck. More pillars are needed to fund it. Better off using pure pharaohs.

What if you'd replace some Pharaohs for Nymph and add Towers for some SoBr?
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Re: [group] The Elemental Engineers https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36819.msg488912#msg488912
« Reply #290 on: April 28, 2012, 10:27:21 am »
Hello, I'm ARTHANASIOS, a realtively new member of this forum and I have found this  :gravity/ :life duo deck and since it is pretty good at farming Silver Decks and there are not a lot of  :gravity/ :life decks around, I have decided to put it here. I hope it is original enough.

 General strategy of this deck: Use your  :life creatures to rush, while using your Gravity Forces wisely to take out dangerous enemy creatures (powerful dragons, creatures with CC or PC etc.). If there is a dangerous or powerful shield around (Dimensional Shield, Hope etc.) wait until you have your Chimera, 1 Gravity Pull and 1 Giant Frog or Elite Cockatrice on hand and plenty of creatures on field. Play your Chimera, absorbing all your creatures into one, then play the Frog/Cockatrice and target it with Gravity Force. Now you have moved the Chimera's Gravity Pull ability to your Frog/Cockatrice and your Chimera has only Momentum, so it can bypass the shield no matter what.

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Fire Lance/Explosion seems to be more reliable... just saying. The idea is great but I'm not sure how it goes in practice, since one chimera looks...

AFTER TESTING: well, forget the deck. More pillars are needed to fund it. Better off using pure pharaohs.

What if you'd replace some Pharaohs for Nymph and add Towers for some SoBr?

Nymph already works as SoBs. But well, less pharaohs might do. But then the SoFrs...
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Re: [group] The Elemental Engineers https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36819.msg488913#msg488913
« Reply #291 on: April 28, 2012, 10:28:15 am »
Hello, I'm ARTHANASIOS, a realtively new member of this forum and I have found this  :gravity/ :life duo deck and since it is pretty good at farming Silver Decks and there are not a lot of  :gravity/ :life decks around, I have decided to put it here. I hope it is original enough.

 General strategy of this deck: Use your  :life creatures to rush, while using your Gravity Forces wisely to take out dangerous enemy creatures (powerful dragons, creatures with CC or PC etc.). If there is a dangerous or powerful shield around (Dimensional Shield, Hope etc.) wait until you have your Chimera, 1 Gravity Pull and 1 Giant Frog or Elite Cockatrice on hand and plenty of creatures on field. Play your Chimera, absorbing all your creatures into one, then play the Frog/Cockatrice and target it with Gravity Force. Now you have moved the Chimera's Gravity Pull ability to your Frog/Cockatrice and your Chimera has only Momentum, so it can bypass the shield no matter what.

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Hi ARTHANASIOS :)

Looks very nice this deck! Also the strategy of Chimera is nice though I'm not sure how often you'll be able to play it but it seems (at least to me) original ;)
I guess that's why I'd personally change the chimera and the dragons for maybe Momentum and the Pends for Epinephrine. Another viable variation might be to use some mitosis to gain more creatures so you can replace some of the ones you have for more Chimeras (higher draw probability). But you should then use more pends xP Anyway, I really like it and I'll give it a try later :)

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Re: [group] The Elemental Engineers https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36819.msg488924#msg488924
« Reply #292 on: April 28, 2012, 11:23:40 am »
AFTER TESTING: well, forget the deck. More pillars are needed to fund it. Better off using pure pharaohs.

decrease to 3 SoFr and 5 or even 4 pharaohs remember you dont need too much copies of the same card if you will start drawing like crazy anyway

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Re: [group] The Elemental Engineers https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36819.msg488939#msg488939
« Reply #293 on: April 28, 2012, 12:01:45 pm »
About my deck, a lot of changes can be made here and there. The core thinking behind this was to add into a :life rushing deck the creature control and shield piercing so much  :life needs (and this in a 30-card deck which uses upped but not rare cards in it).

Here is some of this deck's versality:

1) You have a Giant Frog (5/3) or Elite Cockatrice (5/5) on field and your opponent summons a powerful hight attack creature (dragons for example) with 10/5 statistics. Casting a Gravity Force on it will kill it on your next attack, though you will deal 5 dam to your opponent instead of 10.

2) You have a Giant Frog and your opponent summons Maxwell Deamon, Elite Otyugh, Arctic Squid or any other creature with CC which always rapes mono- :life. With Gravity Force and a 5-attack creature on field, you can instantly kill it (since they have less than 5 hp).

3) "Mother" creatures, like Elite Firelfy or Pharaoh, are usually annoying and their high hp makes them difficult to remove. However, with only two of your :life creatures on field (frog or cockatrice) and a Gravity Force on hand you can deal up to 10 damage to a target, instantly killing FFQ or Pharaohs.

4) A nasty Entropy deck casts Antimatter upon your Jade Dragon, making him actually harmful for you. Don't worry, cast Gravity Force on him and your opponent's creatures will take care of him and they also won't damage you (much)!

5) A nasty Aether deck uses Dim Shields one after another, which is instant death for a mono- :life. However, take your time to gather  :gravity and  :life quantum, draw your Chimera, play a pack of tough green creatures and then summon your Chimera. Its Momentum ability will bypass their shields and it will deal heavy damage on them. As far as I've noticed, Chimera's Momentum cannot be Lobotomised (I'm not sure about this however), so its Momentum ability stays in order to hurt mono-Aether.

6) If you need your Chimera but your opponent creatures will kill it instantly due to its Gravity Pull, then summon the Chimera first, then summon a frog and put a Gravity Force on it. Now you have only a Momentumed Chimera and a Gravity Pulled frog!

* The power of this deck is its versality, but I won't deny it sacrifices a little of its speed in order to do so. But the truly amazing thing is that this deck manages to merge two elements like  :gravity and  :life with a quite effective way. As for changes, you may wish to add an extra Chimera or completely remove it, or replace the Heals with shields or staves, or removing the Jade Dragons, or adding/removing pillars etc. It is up to you. I never created this deck in mind to create a super strong deck, I made this in order to give versality to  :life, to make a fun-to-play deck and to make a decent upped deck with no rares. As far as I've checked it, it can farm Silver Leagues pretty well (but this depends on many things).
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Re: [group] The Elemental Engineers https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36819.msg488949#msg488949
« Reply #294 on: April 28, 2012, 12:16:29 pm »
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About my deck, a lot of changes can be made here and there. The core thinking behind this was to add into a :life rushing deck the creature control and shield piercing so much  :life needs (and this in a 30-card deck which uses upped but not rare cards in it).

Here is some of this deck's versality:

1) You have a Giant Frog (5/3) or Elite Cockatrice (5/5) on field and your opponent summons a powerful hight attack creature (dragons for example) with 10/5 statistics. Casting a Gravity Force on it will kill it on your next attack, though you will deal 5 dam to your opponent instead of 10.

2) You have a Giant Frog and your opponent summons Maxwell Deamon, Elite Otyugh, Arctic Squid or any other creature with CC which always rapes mono- :life. With Gravity Force and a 5-attack creature on field, you can instantly kill it (since they have less than 5 hp).

3) "Mother" creatures, like Elite Firelfy or Pharaoh, are usually annoying and their high hp makes them difficult to remove. However, with only two of your :life creatures on field (frog or cockatrice) and a Gravity Force on hand you can deal up to 10 damage to a target, instantly killing FFQ or Pharaohs.

4) A nasty Entropy deck casts Antimatter upon your Jade Dragon, making him actually harmful for you. Don't worry, cast Gravity Force on him and your opponent's creatures will take care of him and they also won't damage you (much)!

5) A nasty Aether deck uses Dim Shields one after another, which is instant death for a mono- :life. However, take your time to gather  :gravity and  :life quantum, draw your Chimera, play a pack of tough green creatures and then summon your Chimera. Its Momentum ability will bypass their shields and it will deal heavy damage on them. As far as I've noticed, Chimera's Momentum cannot be Lobotomised (I'm not sure about this however), so its Momentum ability stays in order to hurt mono-Aether.

6) If you need your Chimera but your opponent creatures will kill it instantly due to its Gravity Pull, then summon the Chimera first, then summon a frog and put a Gravity Force on it. Now you have only a Momentumed Chimera and a Gravity Pulled frog!

* The power of this deck is its versality, but I won't deny it sacrifices a little of its speed in order to do so. But the truly amazing thing is that this deck manages to merge two elements like  :gravity and  :life with a quite effective way. As for changes, you may wish to add an extra Chimera or completely remove it, or replace the Heals with shields or staves, or removing the Jade Dragons, or adding/removing pillars etc. It is up to you. I never created this deck in mind to create a super strong deck, I made this in order to give versality to  :life, to make a fun-to-play deck and to make a decent upped deck with no rares. As far as I've checked it, it can farm Silver Leagues pretty well (but this depends on many things).

Thanks for the explanation! I know the different uses of GF but you made a really nice summary! I think the biggest difference here is the Chimera in a :life rush.

I don't know if it's true but to me it seems that you can do without problems a skeleton build of this. Meaning the combination doesn't have to be with life. Anything that has cheap critters could be used with GF. I'm thinking of :fire with Minor Phoenix and Fire Eaters, or :earth with Antlion and Steel Golem. Or :death with spiders and Mummy. I guess almost all of these Elements could replace :life though I have to admit that :life probably has the most cheap creatures with good atk. Probably :earth and :death are as good. :earth would give a chimera with more HP while :death provides more dmg. If I were you I'd try those out also ;)
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Re: [group] The Elemental Engineers https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36819.msg489001#msg489001
« Reply #295 on: April 28, 2012, 03:11:35 pm »
Yeah, Chimeras can be useful in any kind of deck. I had also built an unupped  :gravity/ :death based on creating Chimeras of Malignant Cells, but it wasn't very effective. Anyway, after a good playtesting, I think these changes should be made to my  :gravity/ :life deck:

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-1 Emerald Pillar, -2 Improved Heals, +1 Giant Frog, +1 Elite Cockatrice, + 1 Chimera;
these changes were made in order to make the deck more agressive and more Chimera-based. It seems that, with a bit of luck, this deck can also farm Golden League decks!  :D
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Re: [group] The Elemental Engineers https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36819.msg489003#msg489003
« Reply #296 on: April 28, 2012, 03:15:47 pm »
Yeah, Chimeras can be useful in any kind of deck. I had also built an unupped  :gravity/ :death based on creating Chimeras of Malignant Cells, but it wasn't very effective. Anyway, after a good playtesting, I think these changes should be made to my  :gravity/ :life deck:

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-1 Emerald Pillar, -2 Improved Heals, +1 Giant Frog, +1 Elite Cockatrice, + 1 Chimera;
these changes were made in order to make the deck more agressive and more Chimera-based. It seems that, with a bit of luck, this deck can also farm Golden League decks!  :D

i was gonna post before explaining why you should have another chimera but it seems you already decided to change towards that. good work and nice deck!

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Re: [group] The Elemental Engineers https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36819.msg489047#msg489047
« Reply #297 on: April 28, 2012, 04:33:12 pm »
Nice deck, using Gravity Force as CC... it's an underused tactic.  :) I'm surprised this would be a good Silver Farmer, but I'll try it out.
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Re: [group] The Elemental Engineers https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36819.msg489208#msg489208
« Reply #298 on: April 28, 2012, 11:53:24 pm »
I made the decks with the other elements by using your skeleton build. I added one Chimera and more pends for better draw probability.

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The Gemfinder can be replaced with towers and maybe a Pulverizer. I like them though because  they are a good decoy when giving them GF after playing Chimera.

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Well, Mono Death is known as a great Rush so :gravity is rarely needed actually. I thought of replacing Towers for Soul Catcher but this would make you more dependent on drawing GF. However, the Chimera's atk here is higher than with :earth but the HP is lower.

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Doesn't work as well as the others but it's not so bad either. With this I just wanted to show that GF is very versatile and that it is usable with probably every element. I could make a deck with :water, too I guess.

 Anyway, the use of Chimera in this kind of deck is pretty new to me (as I said before). So ... well done ARTHANASIOS ^^
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Re: [group] The Elemental Engineers https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36819.msg489470#msg489470
« Reply #299 on: April 29, 2012, 10:22:32 am »
Nice deck, using Gravity Force as CC... it's an underused tactic.  :) I'm surprised this would be a good Silver Farmer, but I'll try it out.

 It is definitely NOT the best Silver farmer around, but it can make its way to Bronze / Silver leagues.
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