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Re: [group] The Elemental Engineers https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36819.msg463529#msg463529
« Reply #132 on: February 22, 2012, 08:48:58 pm »
Hmm I see your point here, will be lurking around in case any interesting deck come.
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Re: [group] The Elemental Engineers https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36819.msg463534#msg463534
« Reply #133 on: February 22, 2012, 09:16:52 pm »
Yes, It goes in the good direction. I took a slightly more stalling perspective:

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Sadly I don't have the aflatoxins (or deathstalker) upgraded yet.
Also, I believe you NEED the 4 shields (at least in the 40 (34) cards version I used) because you want to afla early and therefore to be shielded early.
It might be nice to have 1/2 aflatoxin more (too have then earlier) and get rid of the early creatures.
I also though that the SoD were a good match with miracle specially with a mark of light.
It might be interresting to have 1/2 Holy light for more EM and against SoSa.
The sundial are for more stall, obviously.
What do you think?
Afla will make the oponent give you more than the needed quanta for the Miracles, so 6 SoSas wouldn't be a bad stalling tool here.
With Aflatoxin and solar buckler?
Not sure if serious.
Why not?
Because you'll be receiving no damage.

Uh, D'oh.

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Re: [group] The Elemental Engineers https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36819.msg463538#msg463538
« Reply #134 on: February 22, 2012, 09:53:32 pm »
Yes, It goes in the good direction. I took a slightly more stalling perspective:

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Made in platinum League as always:



Sadly I don't have the aflatoxins (or deathstalker) upgraded yet.
Also, I believe you NEED the 4 shields (at least in the 40 (34) cards version I used) because you want to afla early and therefore to be shielded early.
It might be nice to have 1/2 aflatoxin more (too have then earlier) and get rid of the early creatures.
I also though that the SoD were a good match with miracle specially with a mark of light.
It might be interresting to have 1/2 Holy light for more EM and against SoSa.
The sundial are for more stall, obviously.
What do you think?
Afla will make the oponent give you more than the needed quanta for the Miracles, so 6 SoSas wouldn't be a bad stalling tool here.
With Aflatoxin and solar buckler?
Not sure if serious.
Why not?
Because you'll be receiving no damage.

Uh, D'oh.
You are, if the oponent manages to put some creatures before the cells spread. That's the reason of the miracles too.
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Re: [group] The Elemental Engineers https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36819.msg463540#msg463540
« Reply #135 on: February 22, 2012, 09:59:46 pm »
There's a huge difference between Miracle and SoSac. While SoSac makes it so you still get damage, the purpose of miracle in that deck is to survive in case the opponent gets one or two creatures out that will annoy you, or that may take you near to death. The miracles are there just as safe guards and to, quite literally, gain more money when you win.

SoSac on the other hand, will need a 20 damage per turn to be profitable at all. Which, in this deck.. is just a no.


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Re: [group] The Elemental Engineers https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36819.msg463546#msg463546
« Reply #136 on: February 22, 2012, 10:23:57 pm »
There's a huge difference between Miracle and SoSac. While SoSac makes it so you still get damage, the purpose of miracle in that deck is to survive in case the opponent gets one or two creatures out that will annoy you, or that may take you near to death. The miracles are there just as safe guards and to, quite literally, gain more money when you win.

SoSac on the other hand, will need a 20 damage per turn to be profitable at all. Which, in this deck.. is just a no.
It seems I have been having a very bad luck with that annoying SoSe PSN rushes...
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Re: [group] The Elemental Engineers https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36819.msg463599#msg463599
« Reply #137 on: February 23, 2012, 01:45:08 am »
Just wondering...
http://www.elementsthegame.com/liststats.php
Have you seen this? This could give an idea of what cards are underused and see what good we can make out of them. (Not updated with 1.29 cards)

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Re: [group] The Elemental Engineers https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36819.msg463601#msg463601
« Reply #138 on: February 23, 2012, 01:50:04 am »
Just wondering...
http://www.elementsthegame.com/liststats.php
Have you seen this? This could give an idea of what cards are underused and see what good we can make out of them. (Not updated with 1.29 cards)
It works, more or less. Because the data was sent on a 1/1000% chance, including fractaled cards if I don't remember wrong). Thanks for posting it here, I had forgotten that!

How about new challenge? Skele challenge! Is that card useful other than for rewind it in funbows?
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Re: [group] The Elemental Engineers https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36819.msg463604#msg463604
« Reply #139 on: February 23, 2012, 01:54:43 am »
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How about new challenge? Skele challenge! Is that card useful other than for rewind it in funbows?
Mutation fodder? Or a swarm of them with eclipse.

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Re: [group] The Elemental Engineers https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36819.msg463611#msg463611
« Reply #140 on: February 23, 2012, 02:21:45 am »

It uses rewind...but yeah.
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This one uses boneyards. Does that count?
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Re: [group] The Elemental Engineers https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36819.msg463689#msg463689
« Reply #141 on: February 23, 2012, 08:07:08 am »
Afla will make the oponent give you more than the needed quanta for the Miracles, so 6 SoSas wouldn't be a bad stalling tool here.
This is an option I considered seriously at first. With only nine towers, power an aflatoxin and then obtain a field full of cells can take a while. Most rush can slip through more than 20 damage. The problem is that if you increase the number of 0 cost cards, you have a high risk of screwing the Mulligan. It is therefore clear that you have to play the SoSa in place of the sundials and not together. If you start the game with no pillar you can always play a sundial and not loose to much whereas the SoSa version would lead to early discard. Also look at the screen-shot I showed, in the 2 cases the opponent has less than 20 damage. However, fighting poison and very fast rush is easier with SoSa. Also SoSa can help you EM ... All in all I would say both strategies are possible. Maybe the solution is in the compromise 3 SoSa + 3 sundial ...
On a side note I upgraded an aflatoxin yesterday evening and when it was the first I picked then the whole strategy was 1 turn faster. It think here the upgrades clearly worth it.

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Re: [group] The Elemental Engineers https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36819.msg463694#msg463694
« Reply #142 on: February 23, 2012, 09:09:53 am »
Thank you Absol for this topic. It's really inspiring. :)
Thank you chapuz for your OTK deck. It's quite stable (in silver league at least) and interesting to play. :)

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Re: [group] The Elemental Engineers https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36819.msg463702#msg463702
« Reply #143 on: February 23, 2012, 10:06:52 am »
Um, just wanted to pop in and ask, "Why make a group when pretty much every forum user can accomplish the 'objectives' without joining the group?"

 

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