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Re: Swipe | Snatch https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27390.msg364271#msg364271
« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2011, 09:23:21 am »
The upped one looks cheap.

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Re: Swipe | Snatch https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27390.msg364280#msg364280
« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2011, 09:47:11 am »
Er...wasn't old neurotoxin badly received because it made the opponent discard 1 card per turn?

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Re: Swipe | Snatch https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27390.msg364285#msg364285
« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2011, 09:49:28 am »
This is only 1 card, not an indefinite amount of cards.

I feel it is balanced in that manner.

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Re: Swipe | Snatch https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27390.msg364329#msg364329
« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2011, 12:28:29 pm »
The unupped one is cheaper than unupped steal. WHY.

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Re: Swipe | Snatch https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27390.msg364331#msg364331
« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2011, 12:35:01 pm »
The unupped one is cheaper than unupped steal. WHY.
I can steal a precious gem in your house, or i can steal a random object on your body. What is stronger?
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Re: Swipe | Snatch https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27390.msg364337#msg364337
« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2011, 12:50:14 pm »
The unupped one is cheaper than unupped steal. WHY.
I can steal a precious gem in your house, or i can steal a random object on your body. What is stronger?
But this one can grab creatures and spells too. If I can get a car key from your body, I'd screw the gem.

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Re: Swipe | Snatch https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27390.msg364340#msg364340
« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2011, 12:55:35 pm »
The unupped one is cheaper than unupped steal. WHY.
I can steal a precious gem in your house, or i can steal a random object on your body. What is stronger?
But this one can grab creatures and spells too. If I can get a car key from your body, I'd screw the gem.
The problem is the "if". You can get the car key, but you can also get this random piece of paper which is completely void of use for you ( a weapon when you already have one). That's the reason.
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Re: Swipe | Snatch https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27390.msg364342#msg364342
« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2011, 12:56:27 pm »
Being able to target the card from the deck does seem mighty strong.

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Re: Swipe | Snatch https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27390.msg364344#msg364344
« Reply #20 on: July 11, 2011, 12:57:54 pm »
Being able to target the card from the deck does seem mighty strong.
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Re: Swipe | Snatch https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27390.msg364350#msg364350
« Reply #21 on: July 11, 2011, 01:09:00 pm »
Yeah I understood it as hand, just a typo :) I'm all for more combo-cards with Nightmare but there is atleast a certain degree of safety with cards in your hand. You can choose not to play cards and get punished later by silence, and silence can be altogether ineffective against some decks, the cards in peoples decks are there for their strategy so taking any card atleast hinders the strategy somewhat. You can choose to play cards and be punished by Nightmare. There is nothing but sanctuary that can stop this and darkness has a counter to that aswell. Lack of control for the opposing player is probably the issue. Vs Darkness/Time (GotP Nightmare) where this will likely be most effective you have to choose when and what cards to have a chance to overcome it, this card can punish you for not playing the cards. Not a 'RAWR ZOMG OP' viewpoint just concern, after all it's a cool card and a good idea.

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Re: Swipe | Snatch https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27390.msg364409#msg364409
« Reply #22 on: July 11, 2011, 05:35:55 pm »
Hmm...

Okay, there are usually only a few reasons you keep cards in your hand.

A) Dead draw. It is a weapon or shield and you already have one on the field. Nightmare is also a dead card.
B) Unfulfilled Combo. Example: You have a key card and are waiting for quint. This card is strongest in this scenario. However, looking at it from a different perspective, the most popular decks are both rainbows and cremation decks anyways, and I feel they could use the slight nerf from a risk of getting their combos disrupted.
C) Not enough quanta. This happens in the earlier game, but once you're at QOP this doesn't happen anymore.
D) Conditions not met. Control without a target, or Healing at high HP. You'll hang on to those cards until you need them.
E) Part of a chain. You're chaining cards and you have one currently on the field.
F) Saving for the OTK. This card is also powerful in this circumstance.

If you don't fulfill these conditions then you're in top-deck mode anyways and this card is worthless.

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Re: Swipe | Snatch https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27390.msg364416#msg364416
« Reply #23 on: July 11, 2011, 05:57:00 pm »
im not a fan of this, as i wasnt a fan of the original dune scorpion.  this card is more limited in terms of how often it can be used, but has the added steal component.  i dont look forward to arena decks with 12 steals and 12 swipes.
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