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how should this card be changed

no changes, its perfectly fine how it is.
25 (50%)
add damage resist to the unupped, raise its cost, and give it semi PC protection with limited uses.
8 (16%)
add damage resistance to the unupped, raise its cost, and give it bonewall style PC resistance where bolts also remove counters.
4 (8%)
option 3 but also give it a way to restore counters
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something else that i will say in comments
7 (14%)
remove the card entirely because i hate it
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add dr and make it return rather than reflect spell damage
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What sort of buff would make these shields competitive?

No buff; they're fine how they are
Reflect all spells; no balancing
Reflect all spells; remove protection from PA
Reflect all spells; remove damage reduction
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Re: Reflective Shield / Mirror Shield (Also Emerald/Jade Shield) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19247.msg497149#msg497149
« Reply #60 on: May 12, 2012, 09:53:46 am »
That last suggestion gets a big no from me - immaterial solar shield would already be way too strong.
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Re: Reflective Shield / Mirror Shield (Also Emerald/Jade Shield) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19247.msg497166#msg497166
« Reply #61 on: May 12, 2012, 12:35:00 pm »
I am not sure about Mirror Shield, however Emerald/Jade Shield is fine IMO, since it is totally painful against two great mono-rushers;  :darkness and  :fire...  8)
It reduces 1 or 2 damage, reflects damage dealing spells against the opponent and cannot be destroyed or stolen, what else do you want?
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Re: Reflective Shield / Mirror Shield (Also Emerald/Jade Shield) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19247.msg497535#msg497535
« Reply #62 on: May 13, 2012, 06:43:41 am »
I don't really think either of these need a buff. Nor a Nerf. The cards are almost exactly as they should be. The only change that would be made is blocking ALL offensive spells, not just Firebolt and Icebolt. They're cheap and moderately effective, except for Emerald shield. Emerald shield costs more, but then, it also blocks damage, so, as ARTHANASIOS said, "What else do you want?"
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Re: Reflective Shield / Mirror Shield (Also Emerald/Jade Shield) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19247.msg503942#msg503942
« Reply #63 on: May 26, 2012, 01:39:24 am »
Maybe instead of buffing these, a new shield would be better.
Reflect all spell effects(not damage)/ make player non-targetable.  Don't know what element it could be (perhaps other).

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Re: Reflective Shield / Mirror Shield (Also Emerald/Jade Shield) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19247.msg504214#msg504214
« Reply #64 on: May 26, 2012, 12:18:45 pm »
I don't really think either of these need a buff. Nor a Nerf. The cards are almost exactly as they should be. The only change that would be made is blocking ALL offensive spells, not just Firebolt and Icebolt. They're cheap and moderately effective, except for Emerald shield. Emerald shield costs more, but then, it also blocks damage, so, as ARTHANASIOS said, "What else do you want?"

I agree that Emerald is pretty good, but still think that all spells targeting the player, both helpful and harmful, should be reflected.  Imagine the change to the meta, if a single mirror shield reflects poison - it would force mono :death to diversify a little.  Arsenic would still get through, but :death would have to use creatures now and then, instead of just poison+SoSac.  Imagine what would happen to DBH decks, if BH were reflected.  In fact, think about almost any of the decks that people think are OP (other than GhostMare), which would need serious re-imagining with just this one small change.

Instead of having to nerf a variety of cards to balance out the tired, cliche archetypes we see all the time (I'm guilty of using them, too, 'cause they WORK, dammit!), just buffing Mirror Shield would have nearly the same effect.  :light needs some love, anyways, IMHO.
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Re: Reflective Shield / Mirror Shield (Also Emerald/Jade Shield) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19247.msg504536#msg504536
« Reply #65 on: May 27, 2012, 06:11:51 am »
When I was a noob I assumed Emerald Shield reflected all spells directed at the player but I later found out it only blocks a few of them. I later thought that if a player were to use one of the few spells it did on a creature it would reflect but I was once again disappointed. Since then I pretty much never touched this shield except to use its great indestructible status. Anyway, it would be nice if it can reflect a few more spell cards and less misleading but I would like it to stay enchanted if it changes.
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Re: Reflective Shield / Mirror Shield (Also Emerald/Jade Shield) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19247.msg504578#msg504578
« Reply #66 on: May 27, 2012, 09:08:23 am »
Same here, reflective shield should be able to reflect other spells that implicitly target, like silence, poison, black hole and so on

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Re: Reflective Shield / Mirror Shield (Also Emerald/Jade Shield) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19247.msg504580#msg504580
« Reply #67 on: May 27, 2012, 09:16:33 am »
Same here, reflective shield should be able to reflect other spells that implicitly target, like silence, poison, black hole and so on

Agreed, especially as Unstable Gas is already reflected.

On the other hand, having a shield that reflects Silence and Black Hole in the element of Sanc is iffy.
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Re: Reflective Shield / Mirror Shield (Also Emerald/Jade Shield) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19247.msg504612#msg504612
« Reply #68 on: May 27, 2012, 12:33:11 pm »
Same here, reflective shield should be able to reflect other spells that implicitly target, like silence, poison, black hole and so on

Agreed, especially as Unstable Gas is already reflected.

On the other hand, having a shield that reflects Silence and Black Hole in the element of Sanc is iffy.

How so?  Redundancy isn't uncommon - how many damage-based CC options are there for  :fire?   :water has Permafrost Shield, Congeal, and Arctic Octopus - redundancy.

Reflecting Black Hole and Silence  make sense to me in  :light, because it's the Element with Sanctuary.
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Re: Reflective Shield / Mirror Shield (Also Emerald/Jade Shield) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19247.msg505045#msg505045
« Reply #69 on: May 28, 2012, 02:36:11 pm »
Same here, reflective shield should be able to reflect other spells that implicitly target, like silence, poison, black hole and so on

Agreed, especially as Unstable Gas is already reflected.

On the other hand, having a shield that reflects Silence and Black Hole in the element of Sanc is iffy.

As I wrote in other topic: JadeShield shouldn't reflect UG (it isn't a spell) but should reflect BH, Poison, Silence etc. We should change this or change card text, because now text is different than ability.

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Re: Reflective Shield / Mirror Shield (Also Emerald/Jade Shield) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19247.msg505302#msg505302
« Reply #70 on: May 29, 2012, 04:08:56 am »
Same here, reflective shield should be able to reflect other spells that implicitly target, like silence, poison, black hole and so on

Agreed, especially as Unstable Gas is already reflected.

On the other hand, having a shield that reflects Silence and Black Hole in the element of Sanc is iffy.

As I wrote in other topic: JadeShield shouldn't reflect UG (it isn't a spell) but should reflect BH, Poison, Silence etc. We should change this or change card text, because now text is different than ability.

Actually, UG's 'skill' of explode is actually a spell, just the same as Physila's poison.
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Re: Reflective Shield / Mirror Shield (Also Emerald/Jade Shield) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19247.msg505348#msg505348
« Reply #71 on: May 29, 2012, 08:05:29 am »
Oh, come on guys! If these two shields reflect EVERY kind of spell (Silence, Poison, Black Hole etc.) they would become totally broken and no one would play any other shield any more. There is not any global Spell Counter in this game and IMO there shouldn't be. They already reflect damage dealing spells and creatures buffed with Shard of Wisdom suffer greatly due to these shields, why should we buff them to hell?
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