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[Official] Enchant Artifact | Protect Artifact https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36540.msg458797#msg458797
« on: February 11, 2012, 04:45:28 am »


I feel with all the PC and current game play, protecting your permanents should be made a little better/easier? Recently I have played a lot of the same things over and over in Gold arena. Earthquakes, Steals, Explosions oh my!! ... It has become almost sickening to see all of the very non adventurous arena decks lately.. fire stall has now been replaced with "I poison you to death!!" In all the main problem I seem to be having is I cant add 6 protect artifacts without destroying any sort of flow with my deck. I think if protect artifact were to be changed to protect 1 target unupgraded and up to 2 targets upgraded, it would be used more and be of more value to the community. Just adding 1-2 of them with the upgraded effect would allow me to protect say, towers, sanctuary, and idk shield and weapon? Maybe it is too much to have it do that but i felt that adding a new card idea that would replace protect artifact wouldnt be the answer but possibly an enhancement upon it would.

What do you guys think?
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Re: Protect Artifact https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36540.msg458831#msg458831
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2012, 08:30:34 am »
Read this first? (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,10223.0.html)

Currently, there are way fewer PC than CC. And any PC only need to hit once to get rid of the perma.
While there are some CC with instant effect (RT, Devour, Paradox) the rest are HP-dependent. Wanna get rid Colossal Dragon? RT, no other can instant rid.

Besides, it is currently splashable, all right. No buff.
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Re: Protect Artifact https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36540.msg458939#msg458939
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2012, 05:12:14 pm »
Its fine as it is i think, cause the power of the card depends on the permanents.

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Re: Protect Artifact https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36540.msg458997#msg458997
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2012, 06:58:06 pm »
its fine as is? really? then why does noone use it? because splashable or not, it is not worth protecting just 1 item when you run into people using pulvy EQ and explosions and steals. protecting just your towers to have them steal and destroy the rest of your field sucks.

also, i did read that.. nothing in there was missed.. and i checked and didnt find PA in the list. i didnt go through every page but oh well.
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Re: Protect Artifact https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36540.msg459021#msg459021
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2012, 07:25:49 pm »
You are supposed to put pics on the OP.

Anyway...
People do use it. FG Decks, against PC-heavy gods. To protect that one Eternity or the Sanctuary.
Or Dim Shield + PA? Now that's scary.

Reason why:
1. You usually have reserves anyway
2. That one slot could be used to pack more damage

It is balanced as it is. People just rarely use it because of its defensive nature. Same reason why Warden / Diss Shield are rarely used.
And balancing does not take into account the card popularity (except if people don't use it because it's weak, that's another story), only card power counts.
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Re: Protect Artifact https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36540.msg459029#msg459029
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2012, 07:47:45 pm »
the way PC has upped lately shows we need to be able to protect our things. i know FGs and arena are not meant for balancing but given the fact that i havent been able to win more than 1-2 out of 6 games straight due to constant EQ, explosion, steal etc plus all the lame black holes this game is really becoming no fun.. the lack of originality in the decks is really gone out the window. even just adding 2 "enhanced" PAs would help in all areas and would make it even more useable to all.
I missed the part about a picture but oh well.
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Re: Protect Artifact https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36540.msg459043#msg459043
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2012, 08:18:00 pm »
Aside from pulverizer, there really shouldn't be many worries about Pc in the first place. Its fine as is.
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Re: Protect Artifact https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36540.msg459065#msg459065
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2012, 10:01:55 pm »
the way PC has upped lately shows we need to be able to protect our things. i know FGs and arena are not meant for balancing but given the fact that i havent been able to win more than 1-2 out of 6 games straight due to constant EQ, explosion, steal etc plus all the lame black holes this game is really becoming no fun.. the lack of originality in the decks is really gone out the window. even just adding 2 "enhanced" PAs would help in all areas and would make it even more useable to all.
I missed the part about a picture but oh well.
The more potent and available Permanent Control becomes, the more (not less) valuable Anti-PC becomes. If PC ever becomes as available as Creature Control then Protect Artifact would be nerfed to be closer to Quint.
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Re: Protect Artifact https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36540.msg460403#msg460403
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2012, 11:33:46 pm »
It's fine as it is, thought I wouldn't mind if the upped version was colorless(as in, you could pay it with any type of quanta)

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Re: Protect Artifact https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36540.msg460460#msg460460
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2012, 02:01:44 am »
It's fine as it is, thought I wouldn't mind if the upped version was colorless(as in, you could pay it with any type of quanta)
No. It will be OP otherwise. Every elements will have access to the only perma protection.
I smell Dim PA.
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Re: Protect Artifact https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36540.msg461054#msg461054
« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2012, 10:07:05 pm »
It's fine as it is, thought I wouldn't mind if the upped version was colorless(as in, you could pay it with any type of quanta)
No. It will be OP otherwise. Every elements will have access to the only perma protection.
I smell Dim PA.
Well, with SoF coming along(unless it's heavily changed), colorless PA will be almost mandatory for Perm-heavy decks.

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Re: Protect Artifact https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36540.msg461064#msg461064
« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2012, 10:34:45 pm »
It's fine as it is, thought I wouldn't mind if the upped version was colorless(as in, you could pay it with any type of quanta)
No. It will be OP otherwise. Every elements will have access to the only perma protection.
I smell Dim PA.
Well, with SoF coming along(unless it's heavily changed), colorlessIn element PA will be almost mandatory for Perm-heavy decks.
If SoF comes out OP then permanent heavy decks will include Earth marks.
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