Post by: bored_ninja777 on February 11, 2012, 04:45:28 am
(http://elementscommunity.org/images/Cards/Upgrade.png)
I feel with all the PC and current game play, protecting your permanents should be made a little better/easier? Recently I have played a lot of the same things over and over in Gold arena. Earthquakes, Steals, Explosions oh my!! ... It has become almost sickening to see all of the very non adventurous arena decks lately.. fire stall has now been replaced with "I poison you to death!!" In all the main problem I seem to be having is I cant add 6 protect artifacts without destroying any sort of flow with my deck. I think if protect artifact were to be changed to protect 1 target unupgraded and up to 2 targets upgraded, it would be used more and be of more value to the community. Just adding 1-2 of them with the upgraded effect would allow me to protect say, towers, sanctuary, and idk shield and weapon? Maybe it is too much to have it do that but i felt that adding a new card idea that would replace protect artifact wouldnt be the answer but possibly an enhancement upon it would.
What do you guys think?
Post by: Absol on February 11, 2012, 08:30:34 am
Currently, there are way fewer PC than CC. And any PC only need to hit once to get rid of the perma.
While there are some CC with instant effect (RT, Devour, Paradox) the rest are HP-dependent. Wanna get rid Colossal Dragon? RT, no other can instant rid.
Besides, it is currently splashable, all right. No buff.
Post by: Sk1llsIll on February 11, 2012, 05:12:14 pm
Post by: bored_ninja777 on February 11, 2012, 06:58:06 pm
also, i did read that.. nothing in there was missed.. and i checked and didnt find PA in the list. i didnt go through every page but oh well.
Post by: Absol on February 11, 2012, 07:25:49 pm
Anyway...
People do use it. FG Decks, against PC-heavy gods. To protect that one Eternity or the Sanctuary.
Or Dim Shield + PA? Now that's scary.
Reason why:
1. You usually have reserves anyway
2. That one slot could be used to pack more damage
It is balanced as it is. People just rarely use it because of its defensive nature. Same reason why Warden / Diss Shield are rarely used.
And balancing does not take into account the card popularity (except if people don't use it because it's weak, that's another story), only card power counts.
Post by: bored_ninja777 on February 11, 2012, 07:47:45 pm
I missed the part about a picture but oh well.
Post by: omegareaper7 on February 11, 2012, 08:18:00 pm
Post by: OldTrees on February 11, 2012, 10:01:55 pm
the way PC has upped lately shows we need to be able to protect our things. i know FGs and arena are not meant for balancing but given the fact that i havent been able to win more than 1-2 out of 6 games straight due to constant EQ, explosion, steal etc plus all the lame black holes this game is really becoming no fun.. the lack of originality in the decks is really gone out the window. even just adding 2 "enhanced" PAs would help in all areas and would make it even more useable to all.The more potent and available Permanent Control becomes, the more (not less) valuable Anti-PC becomes. If PC ever becomes as available as Creature Control then Protect Artifact would be nerfed to be closer to Quint.
I missed the part about a picture but oh well.
Post by: Kefka on February 14, 2012, 11:33:46 pm
Post by: Absol on February 15, 2012, 02:01:44 am
It's fine as it is, thought I wouldn't mind if the upped version was colorless(as in, you could pay it with any type of quanta)No. It will be OP otherwise. Every elements will have access to the only perma protection.
I smell Dim PA.
Post by: Kefka on February 16, 2012, 10:07:05 pm
Well, with SoF coming along(unless it's heavily changed), colorless PA will be almost mandatory for Perm-heavy decks.It's fine as it is, thought I wouldn't mind if the upped version was colorless(as in, you could pay it with any type of quanta)No. It will be OP otherwise. Every elements will have access to the only perma protection.
I smell Dim PA.
Post by: OldTrees on February 16, 2012, 10:34:45 pm
If SoF comes out OP then permanent heavy decks will include Earth marks.Well, with SoF coming along(unless it's heavily changed),It's fine as it is, thought I wouldn't mind if the upped version was colorless(as in, you could pay it with any type of quanta)No. It will be OP otherwise. Every elements will have access to the only perma protection.
I smell Dim PA.colorlessIn element PA will be almost mandatory for Perm-heavy decks.
Post by: Submachine on December 31, 2013, 04:19:04 pm
So I was comparing EA with Purify, which got a nice buff lately with not only removing poison, but got healing counters too. I was thinking how that would work if all protected permanents and permanent stacks would heal the player +2 HP per turn too?
Post by: UndeadSpider1990 on January 20, 2014, 01:51:16 am
So I was comparing EA with Purify, which got a nice buff lately with not only removing poison, but got healing counters too. I was thinking how that would work if all protected permanents and permanent stacks would heal the player +2 HP per turn too?
How about combining Protect Artifact and Plate Armor into one card? So it gives either +3 HP to a creature or Protection to a permanent?
Post by: eaglgenes101 on January 20, 2014, 04:36:49 am
Post by: Eltiggros on January 20, 2014, 02:25:50 pm
Post by: Lech on January 20, 2014, 06:21:51 pm
So I was comparing EA with Purify, which got a nice buff lately with not only removing poison, but got healing counters too. I was thinking how that would work if all protected permanents and permanent stacks would heal the player +2 HP per turn too?
How about combining Protect Artifact and Plate Armor into one card? So it gives either +3 HP to a creature or Protection to a permanent?
Would be awesome, i'm totally not saying this as someone with 6 upped pa.
Post by: UndeadSpider1990 on January 21, 2014, 12:07:13 am
So I was comparing EA with Purify, which got a nice buff lately with not only removing poison, but got healing counters too. I was thinking how that would work if all protected permanents and permanent stacks would heal the player +2 HP per turn too?
How about combining Protect Artifact and Plate Armor into one card? So it gives either +3 HP to a creature or Protection to a permanent?
Would be awesome, i'm totally not saying this as someone with 6 upped pa.
Lol. I think this card would see a lot more use if PA stood for both Protect Artifact and Plate Armor.
Post by: laxnut90 on January 21, 2014, 06:12:02 am
Protect Artifact 1 :earth
Target Permanent or Stack of Permanents and all Permanents of the same name can not be targeted by any skill. Permanents that are played after Protect Artifact are unaffected.
This change would not have any affect on stacking permanents, but it would allow for multiple unstackable permanents to be protected at once. It would also protect the upped and unupped versions of stackable permanents for players with partially upped decks.
How it would work:
Player plays two Hourglasses. Player plays Protect Artifact on one of the Hourglasses. Both Hourglasses are now protected. If an opponent has an Hourglass, that Hourglass also becomes immortal. If a player plays a third Hourglass, that Hourglass is NOT protected.
The limitation to permanents played afterwards would be to limit abuse of permanents such as Dimensional Shield and Sundial. I am not sure what the ruling should be on how this would affect Bone Wall.