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Re: Monkey | Monkey https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21667.msg277419#msg277419
« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2011, 02:11:33 am »
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Re: Monkey | Monkey https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21667.msg277425#msg277425
« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2011, 02:21:41 am »
What about cloak? Monkeys can't see behind the cloak, can they? Would cloak act as a temporary lobotomizer if there are no creatures on your side to mimic?
If you can still target your Monkeys can still Mimic. For all intents and purposes Cloak will either be like that of Harry Potter or some sort of Mechanical Device that emits a field of transparency.

Everything under Cloak can still target, should they be lobotomized as well? Do they swing aimlessly and get it right every time?
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Re: Monkey | Monkey https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21667.msg277430#msg277430
« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2011, 02:33:55 am »
What about cloak? Monkeys can't see behind the cloak, can they? Would cloak act as a temporary lobotomizer if there are no creatures on your side to mimic?
If you can still target your Monkeys can still Mimic. For all intents and purposes Cloak will either be like that of Harry Potter or some sort of Mechanical Device that emits a field of transparency.

Everything under Cloak can still target, should they be lobotomized as well? Do they swing aimlessly and get it right every time?
I meant like you play monkey and your opponent plays a cloak and then burrows their devourer. Would the monkey somehow peek under their cloak and copy it, like a "click the monkey and see what you get" sort of thing. I think TheIdioticIdiot answered my question though. The way I understand it is the monkey can only see what you see, so if the opponent field is hidden the monkey takes the last skill you saw.

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Re: Monkey | Monkey https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21667.msg277500#msg277500
« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2011, 05:34:26 am »
Essentially. But in no way is it a lobotomize to Monkeys. Cloak protects creatures, permanents, and information and as such you won't be allowed to use nor find out what skills were used under Cloak.

Wow, there are a lot of intricacies to such a simple idea. ^_^
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Re: Monkey | Monkey https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21667.msg277502#msg277502
« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2011, 05:35:07 am »
Thank you Hyroen. You made my day even better.

The mimic effect would be a great improvement to the game including mimicking mimicked effects.
I approve of this card. It would be a great addition to the game on par with Crusader and Voodoo Doll.


I think the activation cost should be increased to  :time :time| :time :time. Otherwise it looks great!

Off topic: That was 2 cards I approved of today, we have some great card designers here. Keep up the great work!
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Re: Monkey | Monkey https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21667.msg277510#msg277510
« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2011, 05:56:35 am »
@OldTrees: Why thank you!! It means a lot! And I will be increasing the cost of Mimic by 1 :time. Can't argue with OldTrees about balancing. ^_^

Oh and btw OldTrees, if and when you could, is it possible for you to try to balance Sylph (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,21608.0.html)?

It would mean a lot to me. Thanks c:
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Re: Monkey | Monkey https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21667.msg277514#msg277514
« Reply #18 on: February 24, 2011, 06:09:49 am »
Updated: Mimic now costs 2 :time due to advice from the balancing community.
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Re: Monkey | Monkey https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21667.msg277606#msg277606
« Reply #19 on: February 24, 2011, 12:30:25 pm »
Very nice. 8)

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Re: Monkey | Monkey https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21667.msg277620#msg277620
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Re: Monkey | Monkey https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21667.msg277621#msg277621
« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2011, 01:21:05 pm »
(http://imageplay.net/)
Epic art, I will use this. If anyone else wants to contribute and add to the options feel free to do so.

EDIT: Thank you Thalas, new Monkey art is up. ^_^
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Re: Monkey | Monkey https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21667.msg277623#msg277623
« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2011, 01:23:49 pm »
Well, this card is very nice, but... Monkey? O.o really?
It takes away most of the mystical flavour of EtG. I, for one, want a better name to this great concept. Monkey just seems... underwhelming.

Apart from that, great work!

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Re: Monkey | Monkey https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21667.msg277629#msg277629
« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2011, 01:49:07 pm »
Seeing as we have Frogs, Dragonflies, Scorpions, and Jellyfish, I don't think it's that far of a stretch to go with including Monkeys. I thought they would be very appropriately suited for this kind of a mechanic, learning through observation as they are often heard about displaying this behaviour.

Aside, :life Life and :time Time is as Nepycros puts it, an unorthodox elemental synergy and one in which not many expensive creature abilities exist. Since higher skill cost typically correlates with a better effect this allows Monkey to enter the metagame with greater ease. In the case where Monkey is Mimicking the ability to Endow from Crusaders, you need various different energy sources, not permitting a Monkey deck to be a stable Duo.

Post some interesting combos you can think of for Monkey. I'll start. ^_^

SoR'd Forest Spirit using growth. Monkey uses growth. Repeat 5 times.
Deja Vu uses Deja Vu. Monkey  uses Deja Vu. c:


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