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Z | Z https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14576.msg185277#msg185277
« on: October 26, 2010, 04:38:05 pm »
NAME:
Z
ELEMENT:
Aether
COST:
3 :aether
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
N|2
TEXT:
n = number of Zs you control at the end of your turn, x2.
:aether : Reset
Permanently set stats to 5|5.
NAME:
Z
ELEMENT:
Aether
COST:
3 :aether
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
N|4
TEXT:
n = number of Zs you control at the end of your turn, x2.
:aether : Reset
Permanently set stats to 6|6.
ART:
patchx94
IDEA:
patchx94
NOTES:
I'd like to publicly thank PoLdeR in helping me balance this card. :D

Passive ability:
"Z" : set atk and hp to N after your turn ends.

Active ability:
"Reset" : set atk and hp to 5 (or 6, if upped) and then remove 'Z' (the passive ability)
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Version 2: N|2, N|4
Version 1: N|N
SERIES:
N/A


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Re: Z | Z https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14576.msg185285#msg185285
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2010, 04:56:33 pm »
*edited out*. Will add thoughtful comment later.

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Re: Z | Z https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14576.msg185304#msg185304
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2010, 05:18:35 pm »
Maybe it could be OP, with fractal (and a couple of towers because of aether drain, obviously) or addecuate TU spam... I'd have to think it

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Re: Z | Z https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14576.msg185415#msg185415
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2010, 08:16:48 pm »
Being an aether card, it shouldn't be that OP with TU or fractal. Maybe its cost could be a bit higher though. Also the upped version could be N+1|N+1 so it's different from the unupped version without reset.

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Re: Z | Z https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14576.msg185490#msg185490
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2010, 09:35:51 pm »
reminds me of my first card, rift that generated warplings- which are kinda similar to this.  i really need to finish that card at some point
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Re: Z | Z https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14576.msg185622#msg185622
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2010, 11:57:37 pm »
Increase its cost. 3 Z's will already have 6|6 and it only costs 9:quanta, making 18 damage a turn.
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Re: Z | Z https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14576.msg185679#msg185679
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2010, 12:37:38 am »
i dont think N should be # of Z's x2. seems a little OP that way

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Re: Z | Z https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14576.msg185693#msg185693
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2010, 12:54:23 am »
Am I reading that right... "N = number of Z's at end of turn x2"?

If so...

Say I have nine Z's in play at the end of my turn. Would that make them each 18/18 creatures for a total of 162 damage next turn?

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Re: Z | Z https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14576.msg185702#msg185702
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2010, 01:06:43 am »
This costs as much as a Phase Recluse. Considering Recluse Fractal is max 63 (I think, anyway) and this gives 162...  :o
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Re: Z | Z https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14576.msg185852#msg185852
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2010, 03:51:53 am »
How about 6:aether?
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Re: Z | Z https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14576.msg185990#msg185990
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2010, 10:56:55 am »
Okay, so let's assume that the opponent has no form of CC and you have unlimited quanta. By 8 turns, most non-stall decks will have beaten you. Remember that many rush decks have an avg ttw of 5.

Okay, so let's say that you have only 6 Zs in your 30-card deck. That makes them do 6 damage each when you have 3 of them out. I don't know about you, but it takes me at least 8 turns to get 3 graboids out. In 8 turns, you'll do a measly 18 damage per turn from Zs alone.

So, let's say you're also packing twin universes. In the first turn, you might have one or two out, so you have one monster that does 2 damage or two that do a total of 8 damage. This is either dramatically lower than a rush card, or on par with Phase Spiders. The fact that they are extremely weak in the beginning of the match must be taken into account. So with 12 cards of your 30-card deck being Zs or Twin Universes, you should have a total of 6 Zs in play by 8 turns. So on the eighth turn you'll be doing 72 damage per turn. That's a lot, but remember, this is assuming the opponent has no CC and you aren't dead by the eighth turn.

Fractal drains all your aether quanta per use. So, assuming you get impeccable draws and are able to play 8 out of the 18 aether towers from your starting hand, plus one from mark for 9 quanta per turn:

Starting turn. 8 :aether from playing towers.
Second turn. Draw and play one. 2 damage. (98)
Third turn. Fractal for 7 after discard. 2 damage. (96)
Fourth turn.  Play 3. 32 damage. (74)
Fifth turn. Play 3. 98 damage. (-24)

It has the same turns to win on an impossible draw as the average turns to win on destroyer rush.

Are you guys convinced NOW?


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Re: Z | Z https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14576.msg185991#msg185991
« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2010, 10:58:11 am »
Increase its cost. 3 Z's will already have 6|6 and it only costs 9:quanta, making 18 damage a turn.
which would be 18 dmg with 9 quanta and 3 cards. compared to adrenaline + frog is exactly a linear extension, however the chance of getting 3 Z is way smaller than adrenaline + frog.

 

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