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Earth/Gravity: Too big for your boots https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6085.msg62128#msg62128
« on: May 02, 2010, 08:16:35 am »
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A very nice deck concept I saw in PvP once. Original concept by Arondight
 
::Basilisk blood + Gravity Sheild = Untouchable::

When a creature is put into stasis, that creature can never again be a physical threat to HP due to the gravity shield effect.
Pulvy included as an Earth/Gravity standard.
Nymphs may be substituted for Basilisk Blood spell cards.
SoGs are invaluable to soak up the damage that does get through.
Games tend to be long, but this deck is superbly defensive in a fairly unorthodox way.
Steel golems are relatively cheap, which is essential in a deck with high quantum demands.
Massed momentum decks can be a problem, but can be sustained by stasis cycling.
With only seven damage dealers creature control can be an issue.
Pulvy should not be played without Protect artifact. Grav shield can be played if you have a spare.
Additions and criticisms welcome.
NOTE: I would view this as a novel deck rather than one to replace a tried and tested T50/Halfblood grinder. As stated above games are slow and the win ratio is slightly sub par for a "real" grinder.

Below is a T50 game using the above deck. Game was won by deck-out, with 8 total damage taken per round which was promptly soaked up by the shards.

(http://imageplay.net/)


This is a pretty good representative image of the decks defence and the length of games played. Match won versus a halfblood with no cards left to draw. 0 Damage taken per turn.

(http://imageplay.net/)
« Last Edit: June 11, 2012, 08:18:30 pm by willng3 »

Tea is good

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Re: Earth/Gravity: Too big for your boots https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6085.msg62270#msg62270
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2010, 05:06:51 pm »
Would love to see someone use a gravity shield against this deck. But if it's mainly defensive, why not just make it a stall deck? (Throw in some time)

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Re: Earth/Gravity: Too big for your boots https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6085.msg62273#msg62273
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2010, 05:12:21 pm »
I think you're using two or three too many Gravity Shields; as steal is quite a popular card to run into. I know you're also using Pulverizers but you can't always depend on those. Also, that deck looks scarily familiar.  ;)

Jaxly

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Re: Earth/Gravity: Too big for your boots https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6085.msg62309#msg62309
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2010, 06:16:29 pm »
I think you're using two or three too many Gravity Shields; as steal is quite a popular card to run into. I know you're also using Pulverizers but you can't always depend on those. Also, that deck looks scarily familiar.  ;)
Ah, were you the original creator then? I'll tag your name onto the screenie if thats the case. It was quite a while back since I saw it and I couldn't remember the name of its user. I just really liked the idea as it seemed incredibly original at the time. When I couldn't find it anywhere in the forums I kinda thought it should be thrown out there :)
The excess of the shields was pretty much just to exaggerate the purpose of the deck but looking back you're right. I'll switch it around.

Would love to see someone use a gravity shield against this deck. But if it's mainly defensive, why not just make it a stall deck? (Throw in some time)
Ha ha, now that would be frustrating  :P
When you say throw in some time do you mean for an Eternity anti-deck out? Rewind would revert HP back to original and kinda defeat the point of the deck imo. I'll mess around in the trainer for a while on it. + Graboids would probably solve a good few problems but I'm reluctant to deviate too much from the original concept.

EDIT:
Image altered. Added 3 unstoppable to avoid shield issues. Tried a variant with 6 Basilisk blood but the deck became an earth version of the congeal stall. Extra Shards make a pretty big difference with indirect damage decks. Unfortunately the deck becomes dependant on the shards/stall combo rather than the Gravity shield/Basilisk blood combo. The problem is that the combo demands a long game for it to take its full effect. FGs would be almost impossible with the deck in its current state. Halfbloods give an incredibly poor win/loss ratio as well. T50 varies hugely with deck type. Poison is generally killer, but I was surprised to find that rush decks were fairly easily contained with a decent draw. (For T50 matches I added 4 extra Basilisk blood spells) I think the original combo may be best implemented within a full rainbow deck but there are already far more effective strategies out there. I'll continue tweaking the idea purely for noveltys sake, but I think that this deck is likely to remain just that; a novelty.

Thanks to Tea and arondight for the input :)

Arondight

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Re: Earth/Gravity: Too big for your boots https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6085.msg62601#msg62601
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2010, 04:10:53 am »
Well, I did make a deck like that just to annoy people who farmed T50 at one point. *shot* But, it might of not been me, just saying it looked familiar.

My version only had one Gravity Shield for lucky emergencies, the second shield was a Diamond Shield (one or two of them). I kept more Basilisk Blood and one less Earth Nymph, simply because if you play right or are in the right conditions, you don't need to recast Petrify so many times before you win.

Jaxly

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Re: Earth/Gravity: Too big for your boots https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6085.msg62906#msg62906
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2010, 08:27:51 pm »
Well, I did make a deck like that just to annoy people who farmed T50 at one point. *shot* But, it might of not been me, just saying it looked familiar.

My version only had one Gravity Shield for lucky emergencies, the second shield was a Diamond Shield (one or two of them). I kept more Basilisk Blood and one less Earth Nymph, simply because if you play right or are in the right conditions, you don't need to recast Petrify so many times before you win.
Put your name in as "Author" in the screenie. If you don't want to be attributed to the deck I can always switch it back to "unknown" Newer version of the deck actually came up looking like your suggestions, with the exception of the diamond shields. Oh and + Karma for giving me something fun to mess around with :)
The newer version has a much better win loss ratio, though games can run extremely long if you draw a pulvy late. Added Screeenies to OP to give people an idea of what it looks like in action

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Re: Earth/Gravity: Too big for your boots https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6085.msg62934#msg62934
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2010, 08:58:24 pm »
My friend made this exact deck like 3 weeks ago, so i think he made it first (though you didnt copy him, he just had it first)

Arondight

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Re: Earth/Gravity: Too big for your boots https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6085.msg63189#msg63189
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2010, 09:24:35 am »
Well, I did make a deck like that just to annoy people who farmed T50 at one point. *shot* But, it might of not been me, just saying it looked familiar.

My version only had one Gravity Shield for lucky emergencies, the second shield was a Diamond Shield (one or two of them). I kept more Basilisk Blood and one less Earth Nymph, simply because if you play right or are in the right conditions, you don't need to recast Petrify so many times before you win.
Put your name in as "Author" in the screenie. If you don't want to be attributed to the deck I can always switch it back to "unknown" Newer version of the deck actually came up looking like your suggestions, with the exception of the diamond shields. Oh and + Karma for giving me something fun to mess around with :)
The newer version has a much better win loss ratio, though games can run extremely long if you draw a pulvy late. Added Screeenies to OP to give people an idea of what it looks like in action
Thanks, it works either way for me, whether it's unknown or not. But, since it's already out, I might as well put in my input.  :)
Mine was a more speedy version, that's why I used Diamond Shield to combat Fractal decks with a borderline 30 card or exactly 30 card entirety. I don't like to draw things out, so I go for speedy victories a lot.

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Re: Earth/Gravity: Too big for your boots https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6085.msg65018#msg65018
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2010, 07:21:40 pm »
So what makes BB any better than using Heavy Armor on an opponent's creature?
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Re: Earth/Gravity: Too big for your boots https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6085.msg65051#msg65051
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2010, 08:07:27 pm »
So what makes BB any better than using Heavy Armor on an opponent's creature?
The stasis effect does come into play quite a bit in the deck. If you look to the screenshots you'll notice a fallen elf/druid in both. Each one has been put into stasis multiple times to prevent a potentially deck-wrecking ability. There's also an anti-mattered mutant on my side of the field in the halfblood screenie. I would have lost that game had I not been able to keep it from healing the opponent.
Cost wise Heavy armour and basilisk blood are identical.
Heavy armour can be used to protect your own creatures more effectively, but at 9 HP the golems don't need too much of a boost in that respect, while the nymphs can still be put into stasis if in a certain death situation.
Finally, it may be that you need to stall before you draw the gravity shield. Basilisk blood can offer an extended period of protection until you gain the "invunerable" status.

Thanks for the comment, feel free to offer any advice on improving the deck.

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Re: Earth/Gravity: Too big for your boots https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6085.msg65082#msg65082
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2010, 09:19:45 pm »
Heavy armor works pretty well too in place of basilisk blood.

Jaxly

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Re: Earth/Gravity: Too big for your boots https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6085.msg65119#msg65119
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2010, 10:38:05 pm »
Heavy armor works pretty well too in place of basilisk blood.
Sure, but Basalisk blood has direct advantages when used in place of it.

 See above post.

 

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