Sapling | Elder Tree

[Iblis]

NAME: Sapling ELEMENT: COST: 8 TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 10|1 ABILITY: Grow: Gain -1|+1 per turn	NAME: Elder Tree ELEMENT: COST: 6 TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 5|7 ABILITY: Wither: Gain +1|-1 per turn

ART: Sapling art from iStockphoto (http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-photo-3518387-oak-sapling.php) Elder Tree art from Photobucket, by krisar12 IDEA: Iblis NOTES: Ability will always activate each turn. SERIES: None

Thoughts?

EDIT: Updated Sapling with new cost ( 6 -> 8 ), updated Elder Tree with new stats ( 1|10 -> 5|7 )
EDIT: Updated cards with new format to be considered as an actual card idea
EDIT: Changed to fit with Curator comments
EDIT: Changed to fit with new card layout

[icybraker]

Strategy: spam Saplings and Quint / Armor them. 10 damage for 6 ? Yes please!

You should probably increase the cost to 8 or 9 . I like both of these cards, though. Rage Potions and Armors would work well with these. Good job.

[redtom7]

well what would be the use of  the ability for saproling? because you are  just taking away attack an adding hp i see no reason to do this except to bring hp up to 4(to avoid rof)

[lunter]

mh well spaling is completly OP lwo quanta good damage, elder tree completly UP 6 quanta for +1/-1? if it were 1 quanta maybe, but 6...

[Iblis]

@icybreaker: Those were the cards I had in mind, as well as PU and I'm sure people can find other cards to use with them

@redtom7: The ability automatically activates each turn, so you have no choice to use it. It's essentially a lesser cost dragon, that gradually loses it's damage in replace of hp... Crafty players will notice this can be chained with rage potions for a nice effect

@lunter: I'd guess the quanta cost probably does need to go up as it's like a dragon for the first few turns in play. However I wouldn't say Elder is completely under powered, eventually it'll be dealing a decent amount of damage and if you have rage potions/ armour then you can keep it doing a lot of damage for longer

Perhaps I should swap these two around, having the Elder Tree as the regular card and the Sapling as the upgraded?

[redtom7]

why not this instead  saproling   1/10    growth:+1/-1      elder tree 10/1   wither:-1/+1

[Wisemage]

^^^^^^

That makes A LOT more sense.

[Iblis]

My reasoning was that saplings are baby trees and so are brittle at first and grow into something sturdy - hence gaining more life. But old trees are very sturdy, yet slowly wither away and eventually die - I know, that doesn't exactly make them stronger, but I'll claim artistic licence on that

But there is an argument for both ways of doing things, which is why I suggested swapping around which is regular and which is upgraded - we forgo the "this makes more english sense" and instead replace it with "this makes more gameplay sense"

Btw, it's "Sapling", not "Saporling", there's no "ro" in there

[redtom7]

hey i suck at spelling and it did not say that it was spelled wrong

[miniwally]

Would the stats that are - eventually go into the minuses so eventually sapling would be dealing health to the enemy and elder will be dead or would you stop it at one for each also these would be a perfect target for lobotomizer seeing as no-one has mentioned it yet it would make a good rush with sapling.

If you do swap them round I think you need to change there names as elder tree for an unupgraded card seems a bit wrong and sapling for an upgraded card seems like it hasn't developed enough to be upgarded in any sense especially from an "elder". Maybe for the unupgraded dying tree but not sure on that as you'd expect it to lose health until it dies (sort of like 1 poison counter).

[Iblis]

I hadn't actually thought about negative damage or lobotomizer.

Negative would seem a little odd, but it does open up a new strategy of using anti-matter on it, although that would mean it's been out a great number of turns so probably unworkable in most matches. I'd probably go for it eventually dealing negative damage, therefore making it more risky to play and hence less usable in certain cases (strengthening the argument for it being the un-upgraded card).

You're also right on the names, if they're swapped they seem a little odd. How about "Dying tree" and "Vibrant tree"? Although personally, since the Elder Tree has the potential to do more damage than a dragon if you use armour on it, I'd keep that one as the upgraded card.

[miniwally]

I was also on about the elder tree eventually getting minus health (i.e dying) so what are your thoughts on that would make sense but doesn't seem right for an "elder" (in the spiritual sense of the word) to just die eventually.

Also did this idea remind anyone else of the Oasis quest in Fallout 3 with the talking tree or was it only me seeing as I did it recently.