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Optiflexium | Optiflexium https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38970.msg484259#msg484259
« on: April 20, 2012, 02:19:46 pm »
NAME:
Optiflexium
ELEMENT:
Light
COST:
5 :light
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Your shield will now reflect spell damage to your opponent. It is also cannot be destroyed or stolen.
NAME:
Optiflexium
ELEMENT:
Light
COST:
4 :light
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Your shield will now reflect spell damage to your opponent. It is also cannot be destroyed or stolen.

ART:
EmeraldTiger
IDEA:
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NOTES:
Optic + reflect + -ium = Optiflexium.

This is a spell which gives your shield reflective properties as seen on Reflective Shield | Mirror Shield and Emerald Shield | Jade Shield, while retaining the shield effect.
Can target immaterial shield as well, like Flying Weapon. Means you can use it on Hope and PA'd shields.
Will simply fail like Flying Weapon if used when there's no shield equipped.

How do i count the cost:
Titanium Shield cost 4, DR 2
Diamond Shield cost 6, DR 3
-> 1 DR worth 2 quanta

Emerald Shield cost 5, 1 DR + reflective
Jade Shield cost 7, 2 DR + reflective
-> Reflective by itself cost 3 quanta (at most. For Reflective Shield, there is cost reduction)

Can be used on any shield = +1 cost
Bonus PA = +1 cost (yeah, i know, reflective comes together with PA, but still)

Hopefully this doesn't overshadow Reflective Shield. If so, i can increase the cost.
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« Last Edit: May 03, 2012, 06:28:46 pm by Absol »
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Re: Optiflexium | Optiflexium https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38970.msg484300#msg484300
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2012, 04:14:41 pm »
Seeing as you could actually play Reflective / Mirror Shield for a better effect, this card really doesn't add much, in my opinion.
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Re: Optiflexium | Optiflexium https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38970.msg484304#msg484304
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2012, 04:20:31 pm »
i may be wrong, but the reason the shields with spell reflect are immune to being destroyed or stolen is because they reflect spells, and it doesnt make sense for a spell reflecting object to be a valid target of a spell.  could be wrong, though.

i like the idea, it makes sense, but the cost should be increased and should be unable to be destroyed or stolen, too.
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Re: Optiflexium | Optiflexium https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38970.msg484310#msg484310
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2012, 04:44:51 pm »
Seeing as you could actually play Reflective / Mirror Shield for a better effect, this card really doesn't add much, in my opinion.
Reflective doesn't reduce damage, Mirror Shield only reduce 1. This allows Titanium Shield to also reflect spells while reducing damage, for example. Should definitely more expensive than Reflective | Mirror Shield, though.

i may be wrong, but the reason the shields with spell reflect are immune to being destroyed or stolen is because they reflect spells, and it doesnt make sense for a spell reflecting object to be a valid target of a spell.  could be wrong, though.

i like the idea, it makes sense, but the cost should be increased and should be unable to be destroyed or stolen, too.
Yes, that could be a thematic justification for reflective shields.
My justification: since this is just a coating, it is not perfect. As such, it can't block damage targeted to itself (Deflag and Steal). Also will shatter under pressure more easily compared to Emerald Shield (Pulvy).
Mechanic justification: as to not be redundant to EA, i decided not to give immateriality. Otherwise, the cost could be as high as 5/6 :light.

What's the ideal cost for this? Will 4 :light | 3 :light do?
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Re: Optiflexium | Optiflexium https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38970.msg484316#msg484316
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2012, 04:52:34 pm »
i dont think it would make EA obsolete or have this be redundant, as it only applies to shields. 

personally i would go with 6|5 (if you add in immaterial) or 5|4, given that the other reflective shields forego good mechanics and/or damage reduction in order to have the spell immunity, and emerald shield ends up costing a ton for just 2 damage reduction in addition to the spell reflect.
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Re: Optiflexium | Optiflexium https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38970.msg484369#msg484369
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2012, 06:54:52 pm »
What if it only gives a % chance to reflect and a % chance to prevent targeting... to keep it from making certain shields too OP and keep mirror and emerald shield useful and unique.
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Re: Optiflexium | Optiflexium https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38970.msg484595#msg484595
« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2012, 02:00:15 am »
I'd think it'd be better if it got a cost raise, regardless of it adding an immaterial effect.

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Re: Optiflexium | Optiflexium https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38970.msg485786#msg485786
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2012, 02:27:23 am »
this + Tundra Shield == win.

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Re: Optiflexium | Optiflexium https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38970.msg485793#msg485793
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2012, 02:31:16 am »
I assume you mean Ice Shield | Permafrost Shield.

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Re: Optiflexium | Optiflexium https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38970.msg485822#msg485822
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2012, 03:02:06 am »
This will be an awesome card if made! Phase shield abuse if chained.
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Re: Optiflexium | Optiflexium https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38970.msg485825#msg485825
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2012, 03:13:08 am »
This will be an awesome card if made! Phase shield abuse if chained.
High cost just for immateriality + reflect spells? I think not. It's better off using PA Dim Shield.

Also, will edit the card later.
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Re: Optiflexium | Optiflexium https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38970.msg486407#msg486407
« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2012, 05:31:32 am »
Card updated.
Is this too expensive? If everything else is fine, i'll search for art before submitting it to Crucible.
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