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Holy Dragon! Catch these Balls! [Pillarless] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36861.msg462867#msg462867
« on: February 20, 2012, 11:01:28 pm »
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No, I didn't want to use Voodoo Dolls, and no, I also didn't want to power Soul Catcher with Immolation or other common CC.
In fact, I tried to make use of the Holy Flash's ability to also kill :death creatures. And it's pillarless because I wanted it to be xD

How to use:
Play Soul Catcher. If you got many Holy Flash and Boneyard in your Hand you might want to wait three turns to play it (this would be a really bad draw).
This way, when you play BL you can use Holy Flash on Skeleton to power Soul catcher even more (actually, that's almost the only reason they're in there).
Well... the rest is self explanatory. Keep an eye on your :death quanta. You have to decide if you want to save quanta for bonewall or dragons. Also think if you want
to wait for another soul catcher or already use holy flash/ BL.

As you see this deck completely lacks control. Thats why I made some other versions (both Duos though):
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This deck needs at least two turns to start, unless the enemy plays spark or a :darkness / :death creature and you got holy flash.

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Here the start is faster. I just replaced Retrovirus with Virus.
Suggestions still appreciated :) You're allowed to make versions with Dolls/Cremations or whatever you feel like ;)



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Re: Holy Dragon! Catch these Balls! [Pillarless] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36861.msg462871#msg462871
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2012, 11:05:06 pm »
I love this idea, Gandora!

How good does it make it against AI3 and 4? It seems really slow to start though.
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Re: Holy Dragon! Catch these Balls! [Pillarless] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36861.msg462873#msg462873
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2012, 11:15:49 pm »
Just wow.
I've almost never seen holy light/flash used as a  :death/ :darkness killer.
Does it work unupped if you change the mark to :light?

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Re: Holy Dragon! Catch these Balls! [Pillarless] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36861.msg462883#msg462883
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2012, 11:31:41 pm »
Just wow.
I've almost never seen holy light/flash used as a  :death/ :darkness killer.
Does it work unupped if you change the mark to :light?
You would get tones of unused  :light quanta...
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Re: Holy Dragon! Catch these Balls! [Pillarless] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36861.msg462885#msg462885
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2012, 11:38:53 pm »
BoL, Holy Flash and Soul Catcher. Kinda seems Mulligan Abusive, but I love the idea over all.

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Re: Holy Dragon! Catch these Balls! [Pillarless] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36861.msg462966#msg462966
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2012, 03:17:15 am »
a deck that uses holy light? What is this madness? Looks ingenius.

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« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2012, 03:28:13 am »
a deck that uses holy light? What is this madness? Looks ingenius.
Let me correct you: A deck that uses Holy Light and not for damaging a Voodoo Doll? What is this madness? Looks ingenius.
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Re: Holy Dragon! Catch these Balls! [Pillarless] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36861.msg463032#msg463032
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2012, 06:32:34 am »
Upping order, my recommendation:
Holy Flash
Soul Catcher
Ball Lightning (or Retrovirus)
Bone Wall
Ivory Dragon

Without Holy Light upped, use mark of :light, definitely the effectiveness would decrease.
Why is the boneyard not upped? To prevent Steal from damaging you? Or to speed the decks? (3 :death as opposed to 5 :death)
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Re: Holy Dragon! Catch these Balls! [Pillarless] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36861.msg463035#msg463035
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2012, 06:38:49 am »
This deck looks amazing.  You're gonna get a lotta death effects, so why not add moar bonewalls?

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Re: Holy Dragon! Catch these Balls! [Pillarless] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36861.msg463178#msg463178
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2012, 05:12:58 pm »
Just wow.
I've almost never seen holy light/flash used as a  :death/ :darkness killer.
Does it work unupped if you change the mark to :light?
hm... yes it would... but you definitely have to take out lots of dragons since quanta generation is starved otherwise. Maybe mummies and poisons instead and one or two dragons.

Upping order, my recommendation:
Holy Flash
Soul Catcher
Ball Lightning (or Retrovirus)
Bone Wall
Ivory Dragon

Without Holy Light upped, use mark of :light, definitely the effectiveness would decrease.
Why is the boneyard not upped? To prevent Steal from damaging you? Or to speed the decks? (3 :death as opposed to 5 :death)
About the order: if you keep the dragons, upgrade soulcatcher first. if holy flash isn't upped the mulligan might even give better starts and with 6 dragons you really need :death quanta.
Main reason I didn't up boneyard was for speed and because if bad draws happens you can power it with mark. The skeletons really are just used to be killed, so there's no need for them to be strong.

I love this idea, Gandora!

How good does it make it against AI3 and 4? It seems really slow to start though.
Haven't tried it against AI4. I guess it might even do better, since AI4 has less control. When I got time I will try it in case no one else does.

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Re: Holy Dragon! Catch these Balls! [Pillarless] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36861.msg463182#msg463182
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2012, 05:37:08 pm »
For some reason I feel like cremation overshadows holy flash for the 1 extra :death it gives, with the killing effect. It also allows some minimal PC.
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Re: Holy Dragon! Catch these Balls! [Pillarless] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36861.msg463184#msg463184
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2012, 05:46:13 pm »
For some reason I feel like cremation overshadows holy flash for the 1 extra :death it gives, with the killing effect. It also allows some minimal PC.
Love the concept, though.
Cremation do give quanta (most of which are useless, except that one :death, but that would probably be useless anyway), but can't kill opponent's creature. With Holy Flash, you can always kill any :darkness or :death dragon.
Also, healing for more money (even EM in certain cases, though unlikely)
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