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Nemotoad | Elite Nemotoad https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34846.msg439277#msg439277
« on: December 16, 2011, 05:50:45 pm »
NAME:
Nemotoad
ELEMENT:
Water
COST:
2 :water
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
2 | 3
TEXT:
:time : Evolve
Turn the nemotoad into a sting ray.
NAME:
Elite Nemotoad
ELEMENT:
Water
COST:
2 :water
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
2 | 3
TEXT:
:time : Evolve
Turn the nemotoad into an elite sting ray.
ART:
etg
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NOTES:
a slant on the grabloids, does not enter burrowed, so -1 cost.

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SERIES:
NAME:
Sting Ray
ELEMENT:
Water
COST:
8 :water
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
7 | 3
TEXT:
:time : Future Shock
Stun the target card for 1 turn
NAME:
Elite Sting Ray
ELEMENT:
Water
COST:
8 :water
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
9 | 3
TEXT:
:time : Future Shock
Stun the target card for 1 turn
ART:
etg
IDEA:
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NOTES:
a slant on the shrieker, cannot burrow, duo ability, lower attack.  future shock can target non-stacking permanents (it does say 'card' not 'cards') or creatures, and the effect is cumulative (it can add on to an existing delay, and multiple sting rays can produce several delays on the same target if desired)

*may restrict it to permanents, as there seem to be more than enough :time cc options
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Re: Nemotoad | Elite Nemotoad || Sting Ray | Elite Sting Ray https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34846.msg439348#msg439348
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2011, 09:12:03 pm »
Interesting- but I think it might be a bit OP- just like shrieker. The fact that future shock costs  :time doesn't make it weaker because you already need  :time to evolve it. To me making the ability costing 2  :time might help to prevent use solely off a mark.
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Re: Nemotoad | Elite Nemotoad || Sting Ray | Elite Sting Ray https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34846.msg439361#msg439361
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2011, 09:37:49 pm »
its not the duo ability itself alone that makes it weaker, there are many things.  the atk is lower, the hp in the upgraded is lower, when generated from a nemotoad- the nemotoad is not burrowed and is subject to cc even before the sting ray comes out. 

im not too concerned with it being able to be fueled by a :time mark, because if a :time mark is your only source of :time quanta, you will be severely limited in how many applications of future shock you use per turn, as well as likely having to decide between evolving a nemotoad or using future shock on some turns.  future shock is generally a rather weak soft control ability, it only lasts one turn, requiring constant reapplication, making its power/cost ratio way low.

also, its worth mentioning that the lack of burrow means this card will always remain exposed to cc and not be able to burrow and reduce the effectiveness of antimatter, both of which i found rather useful in my time using shrieker decks.
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Re: Nemotoad | Elite Nemotoad || Sting Ray | Elite Sting Ray https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34846.msg439417#msg439417
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2011, 12:07:56 am »
I really don't think it's that powerful. Compare it to arctic squid.

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Re: Nemotoad | Elite Nemotoad || Sting Ray | Elite Sting Ray https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34846.msg439422#msg439422
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2011, 12:24:32 am »
Nice, time/water is one of the few duos water is lacking (and being the element thats supposed to go with everything, this should happen) I like the idea of combining this with procrastination to put your opponent in a major lockdown, trio and add silence and your opponent is in full denial.
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Re: Nemotoad | Elite Nemotoad || Sting Ray | Elite Sting Ray https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34846.msg439449#msg439449
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2011, 02:19:05 am »
I like how you edited the art! I don't think it's OP or UP - as Moomoose stated, the lack of Burrow makes a big difference.
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Re: Nemotoad | Elite Nemotoad || Sting Ray | Elite Sting Ray https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34846.msg439468#msg439468
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2011, 03:25:20 am »
Lack of burrow makes it fractallable, but it looks very nice.

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Re: Nemotoad | Elite Nemotoad || Sting Ray | Elite Sting Ray https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34846.msg439556#msg439556
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2011, 11:13:54 am »
Lack of burrow makes it fractallable, but it looks very nice.
I think this is OP because of fractal. You don't need much quanta to fractal this, so it would become a rainbow finisher, and probably would run pretty well in a rushier deck too.

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Re: Nemotoad | Elite Nemotoad || Sting Ray | Elite Sting Ray https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34846.msg439558#msg439558
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2011, 11:19:46 am »
The fact is that Graboid's being burrowed is largely to prevent it from being Fractalled and consequently broken (I think). Still, it's an interesting card. Whether the Fractal aspect would cause it to be broken or not, I'm unsure.
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Re: Nemotoad | Elite Nemotoad || Sting Ray | Elite Sting Ray https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34846.msg439559#msg439559
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2011, 11:27:09 am »
just give it the passive ability "can not be fractalt"
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Re: Nemotoad | Elite Nemotoad || Sting Ray | Elite Sting Ray https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34846.msg439651#msg439651
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2011, 04:21:36 pm »
even with fractal, it may be a tricky trio to pull off, needing 8 :aether 10 :water and 4 :time to get just 4 additional ones out, and then more :time if you want to use the abilities at all.
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Re: Nemotoad | Elite Nemotoad || Sting Ray | Elite Sting Ray https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34846.msg463396#msg463396
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