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« on: October 08, 2011, 03:59:42 pm »
NAME:
Faustian Bargain
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
4 :darkness
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Gain 2 HP when you draw a card. If you have 0 cards in your deck, sacrifice 1 permanent to avoid loss.
NAME:
Faustian Bargain
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
3 :darkness
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Gain 2 HP when you draw a card. If you have 0 cards in your deck, sacrifice 1 permanent to avoid loss.
ART:
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NOTES:
Wikipedia Article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deal_with_the_Devil)

A healing card that can work well with :time :darkness synergy.

Also provides an alternate way to avoid deckout, provided you can pay the upkeep.

Both effects stack. Sacrifice is not optional. You must sacrifice a permanent each turn or lose the card. If there are no other permanents, this card self-destructs.
SERIES:
NAME:
Faustian Bargain
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
4 :darkness
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Every time you draw a card, gain 2 HP.  When you have no cards in your deck, avoid loss and lose 2 HP each turn.
NAME:
Faustian Bargain
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
3 :darkness
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Every time you draw a card, gain 2 HP.  When you have no cards in your deck, avoid loss and lose 2 HP each turn.
ART:
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NOTES:
Wikipedia Article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deal_with_the_Devil)

A healing card that can work well with :time :darkness synergy.

Also provides an alternate way to avoid deckout, provided you can pay the upkeep.

Both effects stack.
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Re: Faustian Bargain | Faustian Bargain https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32160.msg406747#msg406747
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2011, 12:24:23 am »
So this basically doubles the size of your deck? As well as acting as a mini SoG during the duel (if you don't deck out) as well as keeping you alive? That sounds a bit too powerful. I would expect something bad happening to you for a faustian bargain. Not healing, and keeping you alive longer than you should be.

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Re: Faustian Bargain | Faustian Bargain https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32160.msg406809#msg406809
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2011, 02:20:47 am »
So this basically doubles the size of your deck?
How does this double the player's deck? It's basically Eternity except with HP paid instead of Quanta.

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As well as acting as a mini SoG during the duel (if you don't deck out) as well as keeping you alive? That sounds a bit too powerful.
They are more expensive than SoG and heal less than Sanc(also lack Sanc's protection effect), unless you splash time. (And the more you play, the more they punish you in the end)

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I would expect something bad happening to you for a faustian bargain. Not healing, and keeping you alive longer than you should be.
You get life from your deck, and then you start losing your soul (Taking damage) if you take too long.

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Re: Faustian Bargain | Faustian Bargain https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32160.msg406825#msg406825
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2011, 03:03:33 am »
So this basically doubles the size of your deck?
How does this double the player's deck? It's basically Eternity except with HP paid instead of Quanta.

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As well as acting as a mini SoG during the duel (if you don't deck out) as well as keeping you alive? That sounds a bit too powerful.
They are more expensive than SoG and heal less than Sanc(also lack Sanc's protection effect), unless you splash time. (And the more you play, the more they punish you in the end)

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I would expect something bad happening to you for a faustian bargain. Not healing, and keeping you alive longer than you should be.
You get life from your deck, and then you start losing your soul (Taking damage) if you take too long.
It doubles your deck in the sense that all the hp that you gain from drawing cards will be used to pay off the cards that you don't draw later. Or, if you healed, you could keep your stack of invisible cards and stay in the game. 4|3 :darkness for 2hp per turn as well as preventing deck out is a pretty good deal in my opinion.
Most games end before someone decks out unless you really push your hourglasses, so this card is basically free healing. If you really wanted it to be like a deal with the devil, make the hp loss you take later like 5hp per turn or something. If the damage you take is equal to the health you get, that does not seem like a bad trade.

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Re: Faustian Bargain | Faustian Bargain https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32160.msg406846#msg406846
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2011, 03:52:59 am »
Each turn of Antideckout is worth 3elemental quanta.
2 hp << 3 elemental quanta.

15 hp ~= 3 elemental quanta IMO.
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Re: Faustian Bargain | Faustian Bargain https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32160.msg406852#msg406852
« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2011, 04:21:56 am »
Okay, so in a deck without extra drawing, it's half a sanctuary's worth of healing. That's fine, I guess.

Let's say you deck out with 100 HP. With one in play, it takes you 50 turns to kill yourself. With six in play, it takes you a little less than 9 turns. That's...okay-ish.

It seems balanced, but I'd rather the card affect both players.

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Re: Faustian Bargain | Faustian Bargain https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32160.msg406853#msg406853
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2011, 04:23:22 am »
It needs a bit of a nerf.
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Re: Faustian Bargain | Faustian Bargain https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32160.msg406856#msg406856
« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2011, 04:27:40 am »
It needs a bit of a nerf.
Care to explain?

I like the card idea; it seems balanced and thematic. Were CCYB still useful I imagine this would become standard to put in it.
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Re: Faustian Bargain | Faustian Bargain https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32160.msg406857#msg406857
« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2011, 04:28:17 am »
It needs a bit of a nerf.
Care to explain?

I like the card idea; it seems balanced and thematic. Were CCYB still useful I imagine this would become standard to put in it.
Not worth the card space :P

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Re: Faustian Bargain | Faustian Bargain https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32160.msg406859#msg406859
« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2011, 04:31:35 am »
A single card to prevent deckout? Hell yeah.
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Re: Faustian Bargain | Faustian Bargain https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32160.msg406863#msg406863
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2011, 04:43:04 am »
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Re: Faustian Bargain | Faustian Bargain https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32160.msg406865#msg406865
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2011, 04:45:41 am »
I think just a quanta or two more would feel better. as ou said, a single card to prevent deckout
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