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Title: Faustian Bargain | Faustian Bargain
Post by: ZephyrPhantom on October 08, 2011, 03:59:42 pm
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NAME:
Faustian Bargain
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
4 :darkness
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Gain 2 HP when you draw a card. If you have 0 cards in your deck, sacrifice 1 permanent to avoid loss.
NAME:
Faustian Bargain
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
3 :darkness
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Gain 2 HP when you draw a card. If you have 0 cards in your deck, sacrifice 1 permanent to avoid loss.
ART:
Semi-placeholder by Zblader, Altered from http://www.sxc.hu/photo/1069663
IDEA:
Zblader
NOTES:
Wikipedia Article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deal_with_the_Devil)

A healing card that can work well with :time :darkness synergy.

Also provides an alternate way to avoid deckout, provided you can pay the upkeep.

Both effects stack. Sacrifice is not optional. You must sacrifice a permanent each turn or lose the card. If there are no other permanents, this card self-destructs.
SERIES:
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NAME:
Faustian Bargain
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
4 :darkness
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Every time you draw a card, gain 2 HP.  When you have no cards in your deck, avoid loss and lose 2 HP each turn.
NAME:
Faustian Bargain
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
3 :darkness
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Every time you draw a card, gain 2 HP.  When you have no cards in your deck, avoid loss and lose 2 HP each turn.
ART:
Semi-placeholder by Zblader, Altered from http://www.sxc.hu/photo/1069663
IDEA:
Zblader
NOTES:
Wikipedia Article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deal_with_the_Devil)

A healing card that can work well with :time :darkness synergy.

Also provides an alternate way to avoid deckout, provided you can pay the upkeep.

Both effects stack.
SERIES:
Title: Re: Faustian Bargain | Faustian Bargain
Post by: furballdn on October 09, 2011, 12:24:23 am
So this basically doubles the size of your deck? As well as acting as a mini SoG during the duel (if you don't deck out) as well as keeping you alive? That sounds a bit too powerful. I would expect something bad happening to you for a faustian bargain. Not healing, and keeping you alive longer than you should be.
Title: Re: Faustian Bargain | Faustian Bargain
Post by: ZephyrPhantom on October 09, 2011, 02:20:47 am
So this basically doubles the size of your deck?
How does this double the player's deck? It's basically Eternity except with HP paid instead of Quanta.

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As well as acting as a mini SoG during the duel (if you don't deck out) as well as keeping you alive? That sounds a bit too powerful.
They are more expensive than SoG and heal less than Sanc(also lack Sanc's protection effect), unless you splash time. (And the more you play, the more they punish you in the end)

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I would expect something bad happening to you for a faustian bargain. Not healing, and keeping you alive longer than you should be.
You get life from your deck, and then you start losing your soul (Taking damage) if you take too long.
Title: Re: Faustian Bargain | Faustian Bargain
Post by: furballdn on October 09, 2011, 03:03:33 am
So this basically doubles the size of your deck?
How does this double the player's deck? It's basically Eternity except with HP paid instead of Quanta.

Quote
As well as acting as a mini SoG during the duel (if you don't deck out) as well as keeping you alive? That sounds a bit too powerful.
They are more expensive than SoG and heal less than Sanc(also lack Sanc's protection effect), unless you splash time. (And the more you play, the more they punish you in the end)

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I would expect something bad happening to you for a faustian bargain. Not healing, and keeping you alive longer than you should be.
You get life from your deck, and then you start losing your soul (Taking damage) if you take too long.
It doubles your deck in the sense that all the hp that you gain from drawing cards will be used to pay off the cards that you don't draw later. Or, if you healed, you could keep your stack of invisible cards and stay in the game. 4|3 :darkness for 2hp per turn as well as preventing deck out is a pretty good deal in my opinion.
Most games end before someone decks out unless you really push your hourglasses, so this card is basically free healing. If you really wanted it to be like a deal with the devil, make the hp loss you take later like 5hp per turn or something. If the damage you take is equal to the health you get, that does not seem like a bad trade.
Title: Re: Faustian Bargain | Faustian Bargain
Post by: OldTrees on October 09, 2011, 03:52:59 am
Each turn of Antideckout is worth 3elemental quanta.
2 hp << 3 elemental quanta.

15 hp ~= 3 elemental quanta IMO.
Title: Re: Faustian Bargain | Faustian Bargain
Post by: Pineapple on October 09, 2011, 04:21:56 am
Okay, so in a deck without extra drawing, it's half a sanctuary's worth of healing. That's fine, I guess.

Let's say you deck out with 100 HP. With one in play, it takes you 50 turns to kill yourself. With six in play, it takes you a little less than 9 turns. That's...okay-ish.

It seems balanced, but I'd rather the card affect both players.
Title: Re: Faustian Bargain | Faustian Bargain
Post by: Naesala on October 09, 2011, 04:23:22 am
It needs a bit of a nerf.
Title: Re: Faustian Bargain | Faustian Bargain
Post by: Xenocidius on October 09, 2011, 04:27:40 am
It needs a bit of a nerf.
Care to explain?

I like the card idea; it seems balanced and thematic. Were CCYB still useful I imagine this would become standard to put in it.
Title: Re: Faustian Bargain | Faustian Bargain
Post by: Pineapple on October 09, 2011, 04:28:17 am
It needs a bit of a nerf.
Care to explain?

I like the card idea; it seems balanced and thematic. Were CCYB still useful I imagine this would become standard to put in it.
Not worth the card space :P
Title: Re: Faustian Bargain | Faustian Bargain
Post by: Xenocidius on October 09, 2011, 04:31:35 am
A single card to prevent deckout? Hell yeah.
Title: Re: Faustian Bargain | Faustian Bargain
Post by: EvaRia on October 09, 2011, 04:43:04 am
Shard of Sacrifice!
Title: Re: Faustian Bargain | Faustian Bargain
Post by: Naesala on October 09, 2011, 04:45:41 am
I think just a quanta or two more would feel better. as ou said, a single card to prevent deckout
Title: Re: Faustian Bargain | Faustian Bargain
Post by: Elite arbiter on October 09, 2011, 04:51:52 am
Yes, but might need to go to 3-5 hp lost per turn, and perhaps both maximum and minimum. Remember that Vampires are in the same element and a single minor vapm covers your deckout.

Although this does give nice fun ideas with Dark/Time insane draw decks.
Title: Re: Faustian Bargain | Faustian Bargain
Post by: furballdn on October 09, 2011, 05:50:01 am
this+one sanctuary=never decking out. You could make a 30 card deck that stalls your opponent out just because of the sheer healing you get and the low hp drain. I say you need to raise the hp drain that this card drains when you deck out. 2 is way too low. Even 5 hp loss per negative card is pretty low.
Title: Re: Faustian Bargain | Faustian Bargain
Post by: OldTrees on October 09, 2011, 06:54:06 am
Since this comment was missed
Each turn of Antideckout is worth 3elemental quanta.
2 hp << 3 elemental quanta.

15 hp ~= 3 elemental quanta IMO.
Title: Re: Faustian Bargain | Faustian Bargain
Post by: Xenocidius on October 09, 2011, 06:56:02 am
So you're suggesting that it should drain 15 HP for each turn of anti-deckout? Keep in mind that playing more than one would cause them each to drain health.
Title: Re: Faustian Bargain | Faustian Bargain
Post by: OldTrees on October 09, 2011, 06:58:16 am
So you're suggesting that it should drain 15 HP for each turn of anti-deckout? Keep in mind that playing more than one would cause them each to drain health.
I am suggesting each turn on average cost 15hp. I was not directly commenting on per card cost. However I would never use more than 1 of these for antideckout.
Title: Re: Faustian Bargain | Faustian Bargain
Post by: Xenocidius on October 09, 2011, 07:00:53 am
The thing is, many people would use it for healing. And since you'd generally want more than one for the healing to be effective, they'd have little choice but for each of them to drain their health when they run out of cards.
Title: Re: Faustian Bargain | Faustian Bargain
Post by: Pineapple on October 09, 2011, 07:36:40 am
The thing is, many people would use it for healing. And since you'd generally want more than one for the healing to be effective, they'd have little choice but for each of them to drain their health when they run out of cards.
The thing is, many people wouldn't bother with this for healing unless they're running some sort of 60-card timebow.
So, in the end, it'll just be a cheaper alternative to the eternity+safety rewind package.
Title: Re: Faustian Bargain | Faustian Bargain
Post by: ZephyrPhantom on October 11, 2011, 08:05:29 pm
Ok, the negative effect's been changed to losing 1 permanent each turn you have 0 cards.

It's cheaper than Eternity, but now more unreliable since it has a chance to destroy itself (and if you add PA, expect to lose a lot of other cards if you stall too long).
Title: Re: Faustian Bargain | Faustian Bargain
Post by: Naesala on October 11, 2011, 09:39:03 pm
Can it destroy permanents that have enchant artifact on them? if not, then it could be enchanted to protect it from itself.
Title: Re: Faustian Bargain | Faustian Bargain
Post by: ZephyrPhantom on October 11, 2011, 10:06:35 pm
Can it destroy permanents that have enchant artifact on them? if not, then it could be enchanted to protect it from itself.
No, it can't destroy Enchanted permanents.
However, if there are no other permanents, this card self-destructs since you can no longer pay the upkeep (Draw one card or sacrifice a permanent), similar to Flooding.
Title: Re: Faustian Bargain | Faustian Bargain
Post by: OldTrees on October 12, 2011, 12:22:11 am
I really like the new upkeep cost. Air Nymph or Pillars would be the primary fuel sources.
Title: Re: Faustian Bargain | Faustian Bargain
Post by: Rutarete on October 12, 2011, 01:07:04 am
I really like the new upkeep cost. Air Nymph or Pillars would be the primary fuel sources.
^.
Title: Re: Faustian Bargain | Faustian Bargain
Post by: Naesala on October 12, 2011, 01:57:01 am
agreed
Title: Re: Faustian Bargain | Faustian Bargain
Post by: DarkStelth52 on January 29, 2012, 06:06:51 pm
You could tie this in with aether to just deck out your opponent.
Title: Re: Faustian Bargain | Faustian Bargain
Post by: dracomageat on January 29, 2012, 09:29:49 pm
And they steal it and you die...
blarg: