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Witch | Sorceress https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29536.msg376146#msg376146
« on: August 06, 2011, 04:48:06 am »
NAME:
Witch
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
7 :darkness
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
0|3
TEXT:
:darkness :darkness : Witchcraft
Cast a random spell
NAME:
Sorceress
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
7 :darkness
TYPE:
Darkness
ATK|HP:
0|3
TEXT:
:darkness :darkness : Sorcery
Cast a random elite spell
ART:
http://www.inlovewithhercules.com/?attachment_id=73 (http://www.inlovewithhercules.com/?attachment_id=73) - temporary
IDEA:
Xenocidius
NOTES:
Can cast ANY spell in the game EXCEPT alchemy spells, Flying Weapon|Animate Weapon and drain-all-quanta spells. If a targeted spell is cast it will show up with targets on appropriate creatures as per usual, as well as the name of the spell as per usual. Can be cancelled as per usual.

Nova
Pandemonium
Poison
Plague
Stone Skin
Heal
Rain of Fire
Purify
Thunderstorm
Silence
Chaos Seed
Mutation
Butterfly Effect
Gravity Pull
Momentum
Acceleration
Plate Armor
Enchant Artifact
Earthquake
Mitosis
Fire Bolt
Deflagration
Immolation
Freeze
Ice Bolt
Holy Light
Blessing
Shockwave
Reverse Time
Drain Life
Steal
Nightmare
Lightning
Parallel Universe
Supernova
Pandemonium (elite)
Deadly Poison
Improved Plague
Granite Skin
Improved Heal
Firestorm
Purify (elite)
Lightning Storm
Silence
Chaos Power
Improved Mutation
Butterfly Effect
Gravity Force
Unstoppable
Overdrive
Heavy Armor
Protect Artifact
Quicksand
Mitosis
Fire Lance
Explosion
Cremation
Congeal
Ice Lance
Holy Flash
Improved Blessing
Shockwave
Rewind
Siphon Life
Improved Steal
Nightmare
Thunderbolt
Twin Universe

It is incredibly hard to tell whether this is OP or UP. I'd love some advice here.
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Re: Witch | Sorceress https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29536.msg376150#msg376150
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2011, 04:59:46 am »
This does raise some coding issues; currently cancelling a creature ability after you've clicked the creature consumes the ability's use for that turn.  If this card were implemented, it might have to stay that way to prevent re-rolling abuse; however, also theoretically possible to tag a Witch as having selected a certain spell, so you cannot re-roll on a given turn; if you cancel then click the Witch again, you will get the same effect as the one you cancelled.

What's interesting is that the targeted ones would probably display the effect name in the black box in the center of the screen during the targeting phase, so you'd know what spell you're aiming.

The one I see the most issue with is Miracle, as this technically makes infinite Miracles possible and while it drains all :light, it doesn't require a minimum of 12-15 - you can get Miracles without packing any :light at all.  That's a potentially bigger hax than hax shields, as with 6-12 or even more of these out and plenty of :darkness, you could expect to get Miracles fairly often.

Rather than "advanced witchcraft," what about "sorcery" for the upped ability name?

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Re: Witch | Sorceress https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29536.msg376153#msg376153
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2011, 05:05:14 am »
This does raise some coding issues; currently cancelling a creature ability after you've clicked the creature consumes the ability's use for that turn.  If this card were implemented, it might have to stay that way to prevent re-rolling abuse; however, also theoretically possible to tag a Witch as having selected a certain spell, so you cannot re-roll on a given turn; if you cancel then click the Witch again, you will get the same effect as the one you cancelled.
I phrased it badly, but I meant that it simply cancels as normal, which you would do if there are no appropriate targets for the spell being cast, and you can't use the ability again this turn.

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What's interesting is that the targeted ones would probably display the effect name in the black box in the center of the screen during the targeting phase, so you'd know what spell you're aiming.
Yep, I tested that in the Trainer. It certainly makes it a lot more viable.

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The one I see the most issue with is Miracle, as this technically makes infinite Miracles possible and while it drains all :light, it doesn't require a minimum of 12-15 - you can get Miracles without packing any :light at all.  That's a potentially bigger hax than hax shields, as with 6-12 or even more of these out and plenty of :darkness, you could expect to get Miracles fairly often.
Hmm, that's true. Sky Blitz and Fractal could also be problems - they are meant to only be able to be cast once in a turn. I'll just remove those three spells.

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Rather than "advanced witchcraft," what about "sorcery" for the upped ability name?
Good idea is good. I couldn't think of a name for it - which is pretty dumb in retrospect.
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Re: Witch | Sorceress https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29536.msg376331#msg376331
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2011, 12:55:13 pm »
definitely has more of an entropy feel, its sort of like a chaos seed or pandemonium from a creature, but you dont know if the effect is going to be good or bad when you target something- as targeted spells could be a good or bad thing, while the non-target spells dont require any thought, the result is always beneficial to the casting player.
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Re: Witch | Sorceress https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29536.msg376336#msg376336
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2011, 01:09:40 pm »
definitely has more of an entropy feel, its sort of like a chaos seed or pandemonium from a creature, but you dont know if the effect is going to be good or bad when you target something- as targeted spells could be a good or bad thing, while the non-target spells dont require any thought, the result is always beneficial to the casting player.
Well, you actually do know - try casting a targeted spell in-game and you'll see.
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Re: Witch | Sorceress https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29536.msg376443#msg376443
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2011, 05:35:35 pm »
good call, i stand corrected.  still, it feels like an entropy effect on a darkness creature, changing the cost to entropy quanta would be a neat converse of were wolf.

the ability itself is similar to a shard idea i had, which i denoted as being entropy-related (creativity- http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,28937.0.html )
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Re: Witch | Sorceress https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29536.msg376485#msg376485
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2011, 06:50:54 pm »
Even with the randomness, I think that's a very good card, especially in a monoelement.  I think instead of the  :darkness :darkness activation cost, it should be another element, and a higher cost, maybe  :entropy :entropy :entropy or even  :entropy :entropy :entropy :entropy.  Is it possible to mix costs, like could it be  :entropy :entropy :aether :aether or something?

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Re: Witch | Sorceress https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29536.msg376496#msg376496
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2011, 07:18:30 pm »
if mixed costs are used, it would go into the 'doesnt fit into normal gameplay' level 1 crucible.

i think :entropy :entropy would be an appropriate cost for a random skill duo element.
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Re: Witch | Sorceress https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29536.msg376561#msg376561
« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2011, 10:29:05 pm »
I guess if the cost were too insane, people would just slap on Shard of Readiness :p  Sure, we could make the card cost 1000 :entropy, but put SoR on it and who cares?  So yeah, I suppose it doesn't need to cost too much, but  :darkness :darkness or even  :entropy :entropy seems a bit too cheap to me all the same.

 

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