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Unstable Shapeshifter | Deranged Shapeshifter https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28625.msg365846#msg365846
« on: July 14, 2011, 10:27:31 am »
NAME:
Unstable Shapeshifter
ELEMENT:
Entropy
COST:
:entropy
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
0|0
TEXT:
Mimic: everytime a creature comes into play, Unstable Shapeshifter becomes a copy of it.
NAME:
Deranged Shapeshifter
ELEMENT:
Entropy
COST:
2 :entropy
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
0|0
TEXT:
Mimic: everytime a creature comes into play, Deranged Shapeshifter becomes a copy of it.
ART:
TheManuz
IDEA:
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NOTES:
Mimic is a passive skill.
Unstable clone copies attack, defense, active ability and passive ability. It also retains it passive ability "Mimic".
This creature is intended to die the same turn it comes into play if the player does not play another creature.

Interesting interactions
Every time a cell spawns another cell, Unstable Shapeshifter becomes a cell too, spawning other cells... OMG!
It kills Unstable Shapeshifter at the end of the turn.
Since DejaVu creates a copy of itself, you get two DejaVu with "Mimic" as a passive ability.
So you got 2 Unstable Shapeshifters!
Chimera played by you: it does nothing, because Chimera will absorb Unstable Shapeshifter before it does something.
Chimera played by opponent: will cause Unstable Clone to morph into a Chimera, that will absorb all your creatures (it still retain its Mimic passive skill).
Yes, it interacts strangely with itself! Since it's a 0|0 creature, every time you play a new Unstable Clone, the old ones will be back to their original form: 0|0. Then you need to play another creature to make all of them "mimic" that creature. It's like a one turn fractal!
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Re: Unstable clone | Unstable clone https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28625.msg365848#msg365848
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2011, 10:36:55 am »
This is a very very very nice idea.
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Re: Unstable clone | Unstable clone https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28625.msg365856#msg365856
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2011, 11:38:20 am »
what is 'come in to play'   play it from hand.  or even some summon skill (firefly, scarab or PA)

and if it mean PA too.  what is this card copy?  original atk or current atk (in case you buff your creature before use PA to it)

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Re: Unstable clone | Unstable clone https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28625.msg365861#msg365861
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2011, 11:47:09 am »
what is 'come in to play'   play it from hand.  or even some summon skill (firefly, scarab or PA)

and if it mean PA too.  what is this card copy?  original atk or current atk (in case you buff your creature before use PA to it)
Pa : protect universe?
I suppose it acts like a parrallel universe, with target : last creature played.
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Re: Unstable clone | Unstable clone https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28625.msg365862#msg365862
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2011, 11:48:07 am »
Creatures played by the opponent cloned too ? Probably yes or else this is just a cheap TU .

EDIT: Spark / BoL becomes CC  :o

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Re: Unstable clone | Unstable clone https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28625.msg365888#msg365888
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2011, 01:20:52 pm »
what is 'come in to play'   play it from hand.  or even some summon skill (firefly, scarab or PA)

and if it mean PA too.  what is this card copy?  original atk or current atk (in case you buff your creature before use PA to it)
I think it should clone every creature is created in every way.

what is 'come in to play'   play it from hand.  or even some summon skill (firefly, scarab or PA)

and if it mean PA too.  what is this card copy?  original atk or current atk (in case you buff your creature before use PA to it)
Pa : protect universe?
I suppose it acts like a parrallel universe, with target : last creature played.
Exactly, a parallel universe that preserve the passive skill Mimic.

Creatures played by the opponent cloned too ? Probably yes or else this is just a cheap TU .

EDIT: Spark / BoL becomes CC  :o
Sure, it clones even opponent creatures and spark becomes CC!

I also think that mutation ,improve and hatch should not trigger it, because they are only effects of creatures already in play.
I'll add some interesting effects in OP.

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Re: Unstable clone | Unstable clone https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28625.msg365911#msg365911
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2011, 02:01:14 pm »
i like the card, but clone seems to be a bit off thematically, as clones dont change after their initial cloning to the next thing that comes by.  a chameleon may be a slightly better fit, or mocking bird, or just name it something abstract like "mimic", i hesitate to suggest "mime" as it brings to mind a silly frenchmen pretending to be trapped in a box.

"I also think that mutation ,improve and hatch should not trigger it, because they are only effects of creatures already in play."
i agree
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Re: Unstable clone | Unstable clone https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28625.msg365918#msg365918
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2011, 02:10:52 pm »
i like the card, but clone seems to be a bit off thematically, as clones dont change after their initial cloning to the next thing that comes by.  a chameleon may be a slightly better fit, or mocking bird, or just name it something abstract like "mimic", i hesitate to suggest "mime" as it brings to mind a silly frenchmen pretending to be trapped in a box.
I'm totally open to suggestions to give this creature a better name and some characterization. I imagine it like a blob made of flesh that sometimes stabilizes in a creature, and then goes back to its unshaped form.

Something like "Deranged Doppelganger"?
Or "Unstable shapeshifter"?
Or "Chamaleontic Flesh"? (this one give the "blob of flesh" idea!)

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Re: Unstable clone | Unstable clone https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28625.msg365923#msg365923
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2011, 02:21:28 pm »
What happens if Opponent plays an Chimera when you have this creature out?

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Re: Unstable clone | Unstable clone https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28625.msg365938#msg365938
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2011, 02:47:57 pm »
two scenarios to consider in relation to the chimera, the mimic's effect prior to the chimera and after.  heres my 2 cents on that
iirc technically a chimera considered a spell and not a creature when it is in play (preventing PU from working on it), so it would not copy the chimera's effect when the chimera is played.
after a chimera is played and a new card is played/incorporated into the chimera, the card was played and triggered mimic just prior to being incorporated
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Re: Unstable clone | Unstable clone https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28625.msg365965#msg365965
« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2011, 03:35:28 pm »
What happens if Opponent plays an Chimera when you have this creature out?
Already explained in OP.

two scenarios to consider in relation to the chimera, the mimic's effect prior to the chimera and after.  heres my 2 cents on that
iirc technically a chimera considered a spell and not a creature when it is in play (preventing PU from working on it), so it would not copy the chimera's effect when the chimera is played.
after a chimera is played and a new card is played/incorporated into the chimera, the card was played and triggered mimic just prior to being incorporated
I'm not sure i understood what are you saying, but i know that Parallel Universe works on Chimera, but the newly generated Chimera (that has 0|0) absorbs the old Chimera (that has X|Y), so the new Chimera is 0+X|0+Y, that is exactly the same as the old one.
I'm going to trainer to test this, though.

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Re: Unstable clone | Unstable clone https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28625.msg365967#msg365967
« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2011, 03:38:17 pm »
right, but what im saying is that the chimera is essentially a spell, not a creature when in play, even if PU works, chimera being put into play is not the same as a creature being put into play, even though it goes into the creature field. 

"Chimera played by opponent: will cause Unstable Clone to morph into a Chimera, that will absorb all your creatures (it still retain its Mimic passive skill)."
but if you want to keep it as is, chimera is a pretty effective way to destroy the person using the mimic card, play chimera, then play a photon, you just turned all of the mimics' players creatures into a single photon.
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