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Arachnophobia | Arachnophobia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26425.msg336097#msg336097
« on: May 18, 2011, 11:17:43 am »
NAME:
Arachnophobia
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
5 :darkness
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
All arachnids gain +1|+0 and
inflicts 1 poison damage to
the opponent if he discards an
arachnid (does not stack).
NAME:
Arachnophobia
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
4 :darkness
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
All arachnids gain +1|+0 and
inflicts 1 poison damage to
the opponent if he discards an
arachnid (does not stack).
ART:
http://www.sxc.hu/photo/1222610
IDEA:
SnoWeb (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,26141.0.html)
NOTES:
Arachnids (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arachnid): Arachnids are a class (Arachnida) of joint-legged invertebrate animals in the subphylum Chelicerata. All arachnids have eight legs, although in some species the front pair may convert to a sensory function. The term is derived from the Greek word ἀράχνη (aráchnē), meaning "spider". Almost all extant arachnids are terrestrial. However, some inhabit freshwater environments and, with the exception of the pelagic zone, marine environments as well. They comprise over 100,000 named species, including spiders, scorpions, harvestmen, ticks, mites and Solifugae.

Arachnophobia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arachnophobia): Arachnophobia or arachnephobia (from the Greek: ἀράχνη, aráchnē, "spider" and φόβος, phóbos, "fear") is a specific phobia, the fear of spiders and other arachnids such as scorpions.

List of the Arachnids already in game :
    :death Flesh Spider | Flesh Recluse:aether Phase Spider | Phase Recluse:death Deathstalker | Deathstalker:life Forest Scorpion | Scorpion:time Dune Scorpion | Scorpion:darkness Parasite | Bloodsucker
Effect: All arachnids gain +1|+0 and inflicts 1 poison damage to the opponent if he discards an arachnid (does not stack). This might look like Nightfall | Eclipse but is not. Three creatures are potentially affected by both cards are Parasite | Bloodsucker, Flesh Spider | Flesh Recluse and Deathstalker | Deathstalker. In this case to avoid any abuse, when both cards apply, the attack bonus of the present one will drop. As for eclipse, the effect applies only once even if more than one copy of this card are on the same side of the field. Unlike eclipse however, the effects only apply for the opponent.
My previous version of the card was a spell (see below) but I thought it was less interesting. This version also includes a nightmare buff. Now, while this card is in play, each time the opponent discards an arachnid, he'll receive a poison damage (1 per arachnid he discards even if you have more than 1 Arachnophobia in play). It also strengthen the :death/ :darkness and :time/ :darkness synergies and creates new opportunities of combination between :darkness and :aether or :life.
SERIES:
this card is the rework of this idea: arachnid (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,21682.0.html).
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Re: Arachnophobia | Arachnophobia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26425.msg336115#msg336115
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2011, 01:16:50 pm »
this makes sense to eventually be in game. now if we had a Tick card it would fall into this category as well.
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Re: Arachnophobia | Arachnophobia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26425.msg336129#msg336129
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2011, 01:56:46 pm »
this makes sense to eventually be in game. now if we had a Tick card it would fall into this category as well.
Yes, arachnids comprise over 100,000 named species, including spiders, scorpions, harvestmen, ticks, mites and Solifugae.

I transformed the spell into a permanent to fit my original idea better.

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Re: Arachnophobia | Arachnophobia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26425.msg336158#msg336158
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2011, 02:44:30 pm »
funny thing is, i had thought of the exact same idea last year but without poison Bugs nest / Bugs Dome (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,18588.msg252826#msg252826)
It didn't do well in the crucible presumably for the following reasons:

-cost was high
-perhaps too OP with Fractal Pest since it seems to be a bug type + Eclipse.
-perhaps too OP with Elite Queen summoning fire flies (Note air blitz was not in the game yet at this period).
and so you can guess why it did not make it.

The only difference with mine is that mine targeted the following groups of creatures:

Arachnoids (Of or pertaining to the Arachnid group)
Phase Spider, Flesh Spider, Parasite, Dune Scorpion, Forest Scorpion, Deathstalker

Insectoid (Of or pertaining to the Insect group)
Scarab, Devourer, Ash Eater, Dragonfly, Firefly Queen, Firefly.


Yours only targets the Arachnoid group.

Beware though, there have been recent cards that were disliked due to making Death stalker decks easier, I am not sure How this will affect the views on your card.

I must say though, in comparison to my idea, yours is way too cheap as mine may have been too expensive or cheap.
yours may be too cheap for the following reasons:

-since it contains a nightmare potential sync (like GotP)
-a Death stalker potential sync (Eclipse already is an existing card of such, adding another may cause others to become skeptical), not to mention a Death stalker + Eclipse + Nightmare + flying Arsenic consisted deck. People may be skeptical due to this heavy poison combo potential.


In my experience, I advise you to increase the cost of the unnupped to 4-5 and/or either do one of the following:

- Leave it at 4 cost but maybe change to +1/+1
- increase unuped cost to 5 and upped to 4
- the option above this one but leave upped as 5 and add a boost to the poison potential on discarding arachnids. (GotP instantly does 13 damage on discarding, so in comparison to that, it is slightly weaker in a sense, perhaps justifying the cheap cost fo yours but there is still the death stalker to consider)



Overall, Great Idea, I have no problem with its abilities but maybe it is a tad too cheap.

I hope I have helped you in anyway and goodluck with your card in the crucible, mine may have failed, but I hope yours succeeds, I always wanted a creepy-juicy bug potential deck  ;)

 






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Re: Arachnophobia | Arachnophobia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26425.msg336171#msg336171
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2011, 03:04:19 pm »
Beware though, there have been recent cards that were disliked due to making Death stalker decks easier, I am not sure How this will affect the views on your card.
First, I included the following restriction: To avoid any abuse, when both cards apply (eclipse and arachnophobia), the attack bonus of the present one will drop. Second, compared to the other scorpions, I find death-stalker rather underpar. When you consider the above mentioned restriction, this cards only adds the possibility to use nightmare. It offers new alternative but I don't think it makes them too strong. It is just a slight buff which is deserved IMO.

Overall, Great Idea, I have no problem with its abilities but maybe it is a tad too cheap.
I am already considering increasing the cost to 5|4 but I'd like to see more opinions before I change it.


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Re: Arachnophobia | Arachnophobia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26425.msg336180#msg336180
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2011, 03:15:22 pm »
But regardless of your restriction, it still provides easier Death stalker decks which are quite dangerous with Flying Arsenics and in the case of yours, nightmare.

I suggest increasing the cost to what you proposed.

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Re: Arachnophobia | Arachnophobia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26425.msg336211#msg336211
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2011, 03:56:56 pm »
This card does not work with flying arsenic whereas eclipse does. However, you can use it with deathstalker and nightmare in combination. This is new and interesting IMO.
Try to make a deck using all cards you mentioned: death-stalker, this card, arsenic, animate weapon and nightmare and able to produce the fitting amount of quanta. You'll see that you wont have something very reliable.

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Re: Arachnophobia | Arachnophobia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26425.msg336216#msg336216
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2011, 04:05:12 pm »
This card does not work with flying arsenic whereas eclipse does. However, you can use it with deathstalker and nightmare in combination. This is new and interesting IMO.
Try to make a deck using all cards you mentioned: death-stalker, this card, arsenic, animate weapon and nightmare and able to produce the fitting amount of quanta. You'll see that you wont have something very reliable.
You are forgetting Soul catcher + that combo + skull buckler, quanta won't be such a problem.
And if you build it right, you could even add devourer, i see no quanta problems in a duo :death :darkness deck.

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Re: Arachnophobia | Arachnophobia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26425.msg336224#msg336224
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2011, 04:20:48 pm »
Blood sucker is an arachnid right?
It looks like a tick to me.

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Re: Arachnophobia | Arachnophobia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26425.msg336229#msg336229
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2011, 04:26:39 pm »
Blood sucker is an arachnid right?
It looks like a tick to me.
Bloodsucker is a tick (or close to one) so it is an arachnid IMO.

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Re: Arachnophobia | Arachnophobia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26425.msg336781#msg336781
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2011, 12:09:03 pm »
As nobody else commented on the cost, I followed Flayne's suggestion and increased the cost to 5|4. What do you think now?

 

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