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Fire Monolith | Fire Monolith https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23495.msg299473#msg299473
« on: March 27, 2011, 08:02:12 pm »
NAME:
Fire Monolith
ELEMENT:
Fire
COST:
1 :fire
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Each turn  :fire is generated. When Fire Monolith comes into play, target creature gains +1|0.
NAME:
Fire Monolith
ELEMENT:
Fire
COST:
0
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Each turn  :fire is generated. When Fire Monolith comes into play, target creature gains +1|0.
ART:
Emerald Tiger
IDEA:
ralouf, OldTrees
NOTES:
Monoliths are treated as pillars for the purposes of forming stacks, Card effects and card limits.
SERIES:
Monoliths/Obelisks series (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,23373.0.html)
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Re: Fire Monolith | Fire Monolith https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23495.msg300065#msg300065
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2011, 01:38:25 pm »
I keep finding that +1 is a little weak..
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Re: Fire Monolith | Fire Monolith https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23495.msg300068#msg300068
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2011, 01:42:40 pm »
I agree make it +5 or +3 and make the cost a bit higher
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Re: Fire Monolith | Fire Monolith https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23495.msg300070#msg300070
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2011, 01:48:23 pm »
Quote from: ralouf1 on March 28, 2011, 01:38:25 pm
I keep finding that +1 is a little weak..
Quote from: Waterknight2012 on March 28, 2011, 01:42:40 pm
I agree make it +5 or +3 and make the cost a bit higher
Weak when combined with Scorpions? Probably not because it provides a cheap buff and quanta acceleration in one.

Non Scorpion evaluation:
Typically 1 attack is valued at 1quanta+1draw.
According to blessing +3|3 is valued at 2quanta + 1draw(2=3-1).
Typically a pillar is valued at 0quanta+1draw.
Here you get 1 pillar and +1 attack for 1quanta+1draw rather than for 1quanta and 2 draws but at the cost of slowing the pillar part down.
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Re: Fire Monolith | Fire Monolith https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23495.msg300072#msg300072
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2011, 01:53:11 pm »
Most people don't mix fire with life so your idea won't work.
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Re: Fire Monolith | Fire Monolith https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23495.msg300075#msg300075
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2011, 01:59:06 pm »
Quote from: Waterknight2012 on March 28, 2011, 01:53:11 pm
Most people don't mix fire with life so your idea won't work.
I did not mention Life. I mentioned Death and Time.
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Re: Fire Monolith | Fire Monolith https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23495.msg300077#msg300077
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2011, 02:05:44 pm »
I thought you were talking about forest scorpion.
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Re: Fire Monolith | Fire Monolith https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23495.msg300853#msg300853
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2011, 06:18:30 pm »
this could help anything with 0 atk.
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Re: Fire Monolith | Fire Monolith https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23495.msg301443#msg301443
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2011, 01:10:53 pm »
usually things with 0 attack wouldn't do much gaining only +1/+0
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Re: Fire Monolith | Fire Monolith https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23495.msg301463#msg301463
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2011, 02:04:04 pm »
I would love this to be implemented.
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Re: Fire Monolith | Fire Monolith https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23495.msg301467#msg301467
« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2011, 02:10:44 pm »
Quote from: The Mormegil on March 30, 2011, 02:04:04 pm
I would love this to be implemented.
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Re: Fire Monolith | Fire Monolith https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23495.msg303691#msg303691
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2011, 06:11:49 am »
Ahhh, very reminiscent of MTG nonbasic lands... (I've seen them, even though I don't play MTG)
But no! I have to say to have this card be unrestricted would be slack. For example, if one was to use a few on one turn, say 5 (this example guy has no pillars/towers), he could give 5 of his monsters a boost. Especially with air, it could quadruple from:
Unicorn Blitz and Dive(3)x2x2 = 12
Unicorn Blitz and Dive and a few (2) upped monoliths (3+1+1)x2x2 = 20
After this, the additional +1 is constant FOR FREE. The +1|+0 just stays there until endgame, which is quite OP, when there is an unrestricted supply of this. Especially if the upped one STILL creates quanta.
Already, Eclipse gives a bonus, but that comes at a cost.
Your one has no cost (instead, gain!) and a bonus.
Maybe if it created quanta for a set amount of turns OR if it created some by chance, OR if it created some every x amount of turns

I like your art, however :P
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