Beholder | Elder Orb

[Tiko]

NAME: Beholder ELEMENT: Gravity COST: 4 TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 2|6 TEXT: : Chaos Ray A random effect is inflicted on the target creature.	NAME: Elder Orb ELEMENT: Gravity COST: 4 TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 2|6 TEXT: : Chaos Ray A random effect is inflicted on the target creature.

ART: Art by Corin Briere Illustration from devianART (http://natures-fury.deviantart.com/art/Beholder-Coloured-117538829), used with artist's permission IDEA: Tiko NOTES: Chaos Ray: creates an effect similar to chaos seed. Airborne. Idea based on Dungeons&Dragons experience. SERIES: -

[Kaos.]

Very nice "chaos ray".^^

Only one question, why gravity?

[Hyroen]

Why Gravity?

[Tiko]

The beholder is an abberation, thought it would get along fine with creatures like otyugh or chimera.

Where should it fit in more?

[Kaos.]

Maybe gravity is the best choice. xD (I thought darkness first^^)

Anyway, doing some maths maybe you could decrease its cost to 3|3.

Beholder: 2 (atk) + 2 (ability) + 1 (hp) - 1 (duo ability) - 1 (high cost for the ability) = 3

Elder Orb: 2 (atk) + 2 (ability) + 1 (hp) - 1 (duo ability) - 1 (upgraded) = 3

[Agroagro]

My turn to be a rules nazi!

beholders are copyrighted by wizards of the coast and cannot be used in fantasy games without permission. lolz who woulda known. not that I think this is a big deal but this forum seems pretty strict about copyright.

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,21364.0.html

[Kaos.]

Maybe there are problems with the image, but I don't think there are problems with the card name? "Otyugh" is a d&d creature, but is also an element card.

[Agroagro]

Maybe there are problems with the image, but I don't think there are problems with the card name? "Otyugh" is a d&d creature, but is also an element card.

this is from their license
 
For the avoidance of doubt and in addition to the provisions of Section 9 related
to ownership and use of Wizards Intellectual Property (as defined therein), Licensee expressly
acknowledges Wizards’ ownership of all imagery and artwork contained in 4E, and Licensee expressly
agrees it will not reprint any such imagery or artwork without Wizards’ written permission.  In addition, and
without limiting the foregoing, Licensee will not reprint, publish, use, nor create Derivative Imagery of, any of
the following proprietary characters (whether from 4E or any other products published by Wizards or TSR,
Inc.): Balhannoth, Beholder, Carrion Crawler, Displacer Beast, Gauth, Githyanki, Githzerai, Kuo-Toa, Mind
Flayer, Illithid, Slaad, Umber Hulk’ and Yuan-Ti. 

looks like elements might already be infringing on atleast one of their properties   

[Dragoon1140]

Well I guess 3DO is going to be in trouble if they used Beholders in Heroes of Might and Magic III (http://www.heroesofmightandmagic.com/heroes3/creaturesdungeon.shtml).

I doubt using Beholder is a problem at all.

[ratcharmer]

3DO might be a division of wizards of the coast . . .

I've seen other independent games use mind flayers before, and it never caused trouble that I know of.

If it's a problem just change the name to "floating eye". Since that's from Nethack (an open source game) it shouldn't cause trouble.

I like it as a creature. It fits with the whole "floating in air" thing.

Chaos seed on a stick is really powerful for a creature ability, but the high cost and that it needs a duo balance it fairly well.

[Tiko]

Well, I read through many times WotC's licesences (though it's hard for me to comprehend texts like these even in my own language), and actually they claim Beholder as 'Product Identity', just like Mind Flayer and a lots of other creatures (otyugh too I believe), which is already in elements and countless other fantasy games - most of them not based on D&D setting, like Heroes for example. I don't really know if it's prohibited or not but if there is someone who can clarify  these things up a bit, it's more than welcome. But if it is, then probably a namechange should be neccesary.. ( )

Even Coryn named his illustration 'Beholder', and it was not meant for any WotC publication.

Thanks for the feedback so far.

[Hyroen]

You --could-- also call it Evil Eye | Evil Eye. Though I  have issues with the fact that it's a Gravity creature. I would be inclined to make it Death.

And also, it might just be me nitpicking, but I'd rather have skills that have the exact same effect as a spell card keeping the same name. In other words: Chaos Ray -> Chaos Seed.