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Erosion | Erosion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21494.msg275053#msg275053
« on: February 21, 2011, 02:07:37 am »
NAME:
Erosion
ELEMENT:
Water
COST:
6 :water
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Opponent's permanents have a chance to be destroyed.
 :water :water: Adds an erosion counter.
NAME:
Erosion
ELEMENT:
Water
COST:
6 :water
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Opponent's permanents have a chance to be destroyed.
 :water: Adds an erosion counter.
ART:
Lynn Betts
IDEA:
Celidion
NOTES:
This is where I got my art: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Runoff_of_soil_%26_fertilizer.jpg

I believe it should start at 2 counters(10%), and each counter would add 5%. This maxes at 30%.
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Re: Erosion | Erosion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21494.msg275064#msg275064
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2011, 02:19:43 am »
So what is the starting chance for permanents to not work?

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Re: Erosion | Erosion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21494.msg275068#msg275068
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2011, 02:25:05 am »
So what is the starting chance for permanents to not work?
5% or 10%, not an expert on balance, so I don't want to make it OP.

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Re: Erosion | Erosion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21494.msg275150#msg275150
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2011, 04:10:14 am »
Skip the flavor text and you'll be able to get all your mechanics on there:

Opponent's permanents may not work.  Drain :water per turn.  :water : further erode opponent's permanents.


Done.  Then just put a cute little counter on the permanent indicating what the current percentage is.  (It should start at 5% and go up 5% per activation.)
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Re: Erosion | Erosion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21494.msg275161#msg275161
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2011, 04:36:41 am »
Skip the flavor text and you'll be able to get all your mechanics on there:

Opponent's permanents may not work.  Drain :water per turn.  :water : further erode opponent's permanents.


Done.  Then just put a cute little counter on the permanent indicating what the current percentage is.  (It should start at 5% and go up 5% per activation.)
Done so, thanks for suggestion.

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Re: Erosion | Erosion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21494.msg276476#msg276476
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2011, 07:26:01 pm »
CURATOR COMMENT
-Leave the ATK|HP section of the table blank if the card is not a creature (i.e. - remove the 'N/A' part from the table)
-Fix the TEXT of both your tables so that it matches the card's wording within the image:
Instead of-

"Deteriorate your opponent's permanents, causing them to function improperly.  Uses 1 :water per turn."

...it should be:

"Opponent's permanents may not work. :water Drain per turn. :water: Further erode the opponent's permanents."


Slightly reminds me of this old Erosion (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,10096.0.html) idea, but the mechanic is different in that it disables, rather than destroys. Despite the expensive upkeep (:water isn't known for quick quanta production of :water), it's a decent idea, but one that might be ignored compared to some of the current permanents within the Crucible...  :-\

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Re: Erosion | Erosion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21494.msg276522#msg276522
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2011, 08:35:33 pm »
CURATOR COMMENT
-Leave the ATK|HP section of the table blank if the card is not a creature (i.e. - remove the 'N/A' part from the table)
-Fix the TEXT of both your tables so that it matches the card's wording within the image:
Instead of-

"Deteriorate your opponent's permanents, causing them to function improperly.  Uses 1 :water per turn."

...it should be:

"Opponent's permanents may not work. :water Drain per turn. :water: Further erode the opponent's permanents."


Slightly reminds me of this old Erosion (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,10096.0.html) idea, but the mechanic is different in that it disables, rather than destroys. Despite the expensive upkeep (:water isn't known for quick quanta production of :water), it's a decent idea, but one that might be ignored compared to some of the current permanents within the Crucible...  :-\
Okay thanks, I changed it a bit and found much better art, let me know what you think.  :)

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Re: Erosion | Erosion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21494.msg276526#msg276526
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2011, 08:38:03 pm »
The card says "Title". Please change that to "Erosion".

Also I think counters should just add 5%, 10% seems to build up too quickly. (it could start with 2 counters to give it a default starting rate or 10%)

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Re: Erosion | Erosion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21494.msg276527#msg276527
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2011, 08:39:06 pm »
The card says "Title". Please change that to "Erosion".

Also I think counters should just add 5%, 10% seems to build up too quickly. (it could start with 2 counters to give it a default starting rate or 10%)
Ah thanks, totally missed that one.  :o And I'll change the charges, what they were originally.

Re: Erosion | Erosion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21494.msg276532#msg276532
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2011, 08:43:43 pm »
Here's something with kind of the same idea..

Tidal Wave | Tsunami 6 :water
At the end of each turn, wash away X permanents where X is the number of wave counters.
:water :water : Add a wave counter.

'Washing away' returns the permanent to its owners hand, so if you have 3 wave counters on Tidal Wave, it returns 3 permanents (at random) to its owners hand.

If you say this is OP, remember, pillars are permanents too, so sometimes it will wash those away instead of shields / swords / hourglasses.

What if their hand is full? Either the extra permanents could be topdecked (like a rewind for perms) or just destroyed/discarded.

Another suggestion was the cost for adding wave counters would be twice as many wave counters as is already on Tidal Wave, and Tidal Wave comes into play with a counter.. So to add a 7th counter, it would cost 12 quanta. If this were to be implemented, I would think the card should cost more like 2-3 :water .

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Re: Erosion | Erosion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21494.msg276547#msg276547
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2011, 09:18:54 pm »
Here's something with kind of the same idea..

Tidal Wave | Tsunami 6 :water
At the end of each turn, wash away X permanents where X is the number of wave counters.
:water :water : Add a wave counter.

'Washing away' returns the permanent to its owners hand, so if you have 3 wave counters on Tidal Wave, it returns 3 permanents (at random) to its owners hand.

If you say this is OP, remember, pillars are permanents too, so sometimes it will wash those away instead of shields / swords / hourglasses.

What if their hand is full? Either the extra permanents could be topdecked (like a rewind for perms) or just destroyed/discarded.

Another suggestion was the cost for adding wave counters would be twice as many wave counters as is already on Tidal Wave, and Tidal Wave comes into play with a counter.. So to add a 7th counter, it would cost 12 quanta. If this were to be implemented, I would think the card should cost more like 2-3 :water .
Sounds great, possibly synergy with Nightmare/GotP. Anyway, I believe this card is ready for the crucible, please let me know if you want me to do anything else, curators.

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Re: Erosion | Erosion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21494.msg277852#msg277852
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2011, 07:36:28 pm »
I have been summoned.

Unfortunately I have no real basis to judge this card balance wise. It is just that different from everything else even pulverizer.

I do like how simplistic it is set up. This kind of a card would also fit in Time with just quanta changes (if it turns out to be OP then a duo is an option). I think an activation cost of  :water :water :water| :water :water might be better.

As for casting cost I would suggest leave it for now until you get more comments from experienced players.
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