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« on: February 04, 2011, 03:58:39 am »
NAME:
Shade Knight
ELEMENT:
Light or Darkness
COST:
:light or  :darkness
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
4 | 5
TEXT:
If your mark is Light, this card gains " :light : Purge". If your mark is Darkness, this card gains " :darkness : Leech".
NAME:
Shade Knight
ELEMENT:
Light or Darkness
COST:
:light or  :darkness
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
4 | 5
TEXT:
If your mark is Light, this card gains " :light : Purge". If your mark is Darkness, this card gains " :darkness : Leech".
ART:
Unknown artist at http://media.photobucket.com/image/dark%20anime%20girl/dodo44554/Unknown004.jpg?o=11
IDEA:
Zblader
NOTES:
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Did you ever know what it's like to be on the bottom? The lowest squire, even when a knight, she is denied true honor?

I doubt anyone does. I have no lineage, unlike many who enlisted in the crusaders - just an ordinary girl who was told to become great by a prophet.  Some great woman I am, I am probably the one who has done the most and gotten the least credit.

It's not fair. But don't think life is ever fair to people like me. I look up from the lone table I'm sitting at, and I see a drink pushed too me. I sip it - it's the most expensive wine one could purchase at the bar. I look up to see a kind faced man, his jet-black hair distinguishing out from anyone else?

"What do you want with me?" I asked.

"You're unhappy aren't you?" He replies.

"Yes, I believe it shouldn't take a genius to realize that." The man's face becomes gloomy. Did I insult him? That's a first for me.

"...I understand you." This shocks me, but he continues. "To be stepped on like that everyday, and you still do your best, don't you?" I nod, wondering what this man must want with me - he's gotten into a conversation, but not one about how i am the worst knight in the world.

"Do you want power?" I don't know if he is joking, but his eyes tell me he is serious.

"Yes."

"Then come with me." We walk to the training grounds. He turns around and draws his sword. Great, now he'll try t-

"Fight me." oh? So he simply wants a sparring match. I draw my sword, and rush at him, but his eyes harden and he leaps back. I try to hit him, but he keeps dodging, and pushing me away even though I am wearing a chestplate.  Finally, we stop, panting.

"You're the first person who has actually made me tired in a while. Now, what power would you want?"

I ponder carefully - this could change my life.  "I want... the power of honor and respect."

"Granted. Your respect will come in the form of legends, sung forever by the bards." I find an armor encasing me. He holds up a mirror, and I find my armor to be a beautiful combination of obsidian, silver, and diamond.  I then notice the energy crackling at my fingertips.

"You will become a legend now. Fight wisely, and make the right choices at the right time." He begins to walk off, the jet-black hair blowing in the wind.

"Wait!" He stops. "What is your name, strange warrior?"

He smiles, but his eyes show sadness. "I am a passing through swordsman, and that is all you need to remember." He begins to walk off again. I run after him, but he fades into the darkness.

Every day, I silently thank him for giving me the respect that I never had.  My prowess is known throughtout the land now, and many call me the "Shade Knight" for my ability to twist the darkness and the light to fight in creative ways.

Again, I thank you, mysterious swordsman. May we meet again someday.

Purge : Remove all status effects from the target creature.
Leech: Deal 4 damage to your opponent. Gain 4  :light/ :darkness quanta.

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Dominant Element:  :darkness (If this card needs to be categorized, place it under darkness.)

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Re: Shade Knight | Shade Knight https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20755.msg263959#msg263959
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2011, 05:01:39 am »
I like how you've used the mechanic from manticor.
But  i think the cost should be 6 | 5 because 4/5 is a pretty good stat for just 5 PLUS the ability.
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Re: Shade Knight | Shade Knight https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20755.msg263960#msg263960
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2011, 05:02:39 am »
This really would work better as two cards ZBlader.
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Re: Shade Knight | Shade Knight https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20755.msg263963#msg263963
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2011, 05:05:39 am »
Either or...he modified the Manticore mechanic nicely enough to suit a dual-natured card, in my opinion (oh how I loathe people who say 'IMO' but I'm-a do it anyway). Whereas my two Mythos cards were tri-colored in nature, Zblader's Duality series focuses solely on two elements at a time. The mechanic suits the card.

This may be to the detriment of the rest of the series tho...
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Re: Shade Knight | Shade Knight https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20755.msg263968#msg263968
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2011, 05:18:44 am »
This really would work better as two cards ZBlader.
Either or...he modified the Manticore mechanic nicely enough to suit a dual-natured card, in my opinion (oh how I loathe people who say 'IMO' but I'm-a do it anyway). Whereas my two Mythos cards were tri-colored in nature, Zblader's Duality series focuses solely on two elements at a time. The mechanic suits the card.

This may be to the detriment of the rest of the series tho...
I feel like I should elaborate for those that were not in on the previous discussion at the start of this series between me and ZBlader

To sum it up a hybrid card has the mechanical benefit from being able to be paid with mono :light, mono :darkness or a combination of both. This means that the effect should be one that makes perfect sense as two mono cards in both elements. (It does alright on this criteria. Not great but on par with the majority of the series.)
However since all quality Hybrid cards are designed as two mono cards that are identical except for the quanta used, hybrid cards with modular abilities run into the Kael Card problem.
The Kael Card problem is a term that arose from the complicated cards that Kael Hate made right around when I joined the forum. These cards were more complicated than people were used to (although Ajit's Gem and Mages series are similarly complicated). This lead to the term Kael Card being used to describe cards that either were way too complicated or that could easily be broken into multiple separate cards.
Since Hybrid cards would fit in either element, elemental modular abilities (like the mark based skill) allow for easy separation into 2 cards that are equal or better in quality than the original hybrid card.
Two separate cards would also have the advantage of being much simpler and also be viewed more favorably
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Re: Shade Knight | Shade Knight https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20755.msg263971#msg263971
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2011, 05:25:56 am »
I reiterate: this may be to the detriment of the series.

By that I mean the mechanic is sound, it fits thematically to the card...but it doesn't fit the series. Your explanation, OldTrees, summed up perfectly what I felt to be the core problem with this card. It oversimplifies the Duality series. This card doesn't fit the shoe, as it were. However, I could see the mechanic working if the whole series was revamped, or if a new series was created. I prefer to avoid dual-anything when I'm creating cards. That's why I'm in awe of this series. But not this one. This guy just doesn't appeal to me. Sorry, Zblader.
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Re: Shade Knight | Shade Knight https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20755.msg263975#msg263975
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2011, 05:35:24 am »
I reiterate: this may be to the detriment of the series.

By that I mean the mechanic is sound, it fits thematically to the card...but it doesn't fit the series. Your explanation, OldTrees, summed up perfectly what I felt to be the core problem with this card. It oversimplifies the Duality series. This card doesn't fit the shoe, as it were. However, I could see the mechanic working if the whole series was revamped, or if a new series was created. I prefer to avoid dual-anything when I'm creating cards. That's why I'm in awe of this series. But not this one. This girl just doesn't appeal to me. Sorry, Zblader.
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I could see the mechanic working if the whole series was revamped, or if a new series was created.
However, this comment made me think a bit. Perhaps this card could start a subseries of card with Duality Cost, but mark-dependent abilities?

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Re: Shade Knight | Shade Knight https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20755.msg263977#msg263977
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2011, 05:37:11 am »
Oh wow, whoops! Just...whoops. My deepest apologies  :o
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Re: Shade Knight | Shade Knight https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20755.msg263980#msg263980
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2011, 05:44:19 am »
Oh wow, whoops! Just...whoops. My deepest apologies  :o
It's alright, I'm sure she's not offended.   :D


*sees Shade Knight wielding a giant banhammer*  :o ...ok, I think I need to go to the bathroom.


Serious-wise though, what would your opinion be on a sub-series of cards with the Duality Cost, but mark-dependent abilities?

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Re: Shade Knight | Shade Knight https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20755.msg263982#msg263982
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2011, 05:46:43 am »
Serious-wise though, what would your opinion be on a sub-series of cards with the Duality Cost, but mark-dependent abilities?
They would be a terrible vehicle for ideas.
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« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2011, 05:53:06 am »
Serious-wise though, what would your opinion be on a sub-series of cards with the Duality Cost, but mark-dependent abilities?
They would be a terrible vehicle for ideas.
Would that be due to oversimplification or overcomplication?

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« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2011, 06:08:44 am »
Serious-wise though, what would your opinion be on a sub-series of cards with the Duality Cost, but mark-dependent abilities?
They would be a terrible vehicle for ideas.
Would that be due to oversimplification or overcomplication?
Overcomplicated. The two types of mechanics when combined are more complicated than the two cards they represent.
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