Wording of Voodoo Doll

[Werdbooty]

This is a thread merely to gain ideas for a better wording for Voodoo Doll. This is to address clarification of the card's exact nature, particularly in reference to Twin Universe.

I know this will cause arguments. Take it somewhere else. The only thing we want to see here is people's suggestions for ways the card could be phrased. In other words, your post should only be the text you would see appear on the card.

There is a limit to characters. To test if your text will fit the card, please go to the official Elements Card Creator here (http://helltgivre.free.fr/elements/card_beta).

It can be assumed for now that the term "Voodoo" on the text box of the card should be moved to the passive abilities box on the creature popup.

It has already been suggested that the word "Retroactive" be used to signify that any damage dealt to Voodoo Doll will be applied again if the creature is copied. Feel free to use the term, or invent your own. Be creative. As long as you can make the card easier to understand, it's all good.

This is not a thread to discuss TU vs Voodoo Doll. Take it up elsewhere, although there's no point, really. Overwhelming consent from the community says there's no problem. Deal with it. I won't even bother posting the link.

This is not a thread to discuss nerfing or overhauling the card in any way. We're looking at the text only, so let clear and concise be your watchwords.

It might help to picture Voodoo Doll from the point of a newbie. Look at it with fresh eyes. Ask your friends who've never played the game to take a look at the card.

Ideas will be garnered and a poll will be posted at a later date.

This is a communal effort of my own behalf. There is in no way a guarantee mine, yours or any other ideas will be accepted or implemented.



Text as it appears now on Voodoo Doll:

"Voodoo: If this creature survives an attack, damage and status is inflicted to your opponent as well."

[Werdbooty]

My own wording:

"When Voodoo Doll survives an attack damage and status are applied to your opponent. Damage is retroactive."

[OldTrees]

This is another wording that fits on the card however it moves the Voodoo keyword into the extra box only like Airborne

"If Voodoo Doll survives an attack damage and status are applied to your opponent. Damage is retroactive."
would fit though.

[Werdbooty]

lol well THAT went over well...sigh...I suppose I'll have to live with it. Ugh. The grammar nazi in me screams out for justice.

[Time_lord_victorius]

"damage and effect dealt and done to this creature is also applied to caster"

good enough?

[t3hplatyz0rz]

"damage and effect dealt and done to this creature is also applied to caster"

good enough?

No, because if I bolt my own voodoo doll, YOU take damage!

[Time_lord_victorius]

let's try that again.

"any effect and damage done to this creature is also applied to opponent"

i think it's good now. unless the grammar nazi is still not satisfied (when is it truly satisfied anyways)

[OldTrees]

let's try that again.

"any effect and damage done to this creature is also applied to opponent"

i think it's good now. unless the grammar nazi is still not satisfied (when is it truly satisfied anyways)

This doesn't explain cases where the doll is killed and thus deals 0 damage.

[QuantumT]

let's try that again.

"any effect and damage done to this creature is also applied to opponent"

i think it's good now. unless the grammar nazi is still not satisfied (when is it truly satisfied anyways)

Basically, what needs to be avoided is the word "this". "This" is the word that makes the effect sound like it won't apply the damage again.

I feel like it would be at least a little less misleading if it said "voodoo doll" in place of "this".

This is another wording that fits on the card however it moves the Voodoo keyword into the extra box only like Airborne

"If Voodoo Doll survives an attack damage and status are applied to your opponent. Damage is retroactive."
would fit though.

I second this wording.

[Werdbooty]

Thirded.

[zse]

Why change the wording on Voodoo Doll? The wording on it explains exactly how that card works in 99% of times. Only situation when it works in a bit weird way is when you copy it with Parallel Universe | Twin Universe. So why don't we try to rephrase that card instead?

Now PU | TU says: Summon an exact copy of the target creature
To me the whole problem here can be solved by changing the word exact to something more fitting.

With my mediocre Engrish skills, this is the best I can come up with:
Summon a copy of the target creature. Apply all effects that has been done to original creature also to the copy.

Or is that bit too confusing wording when used with Mutated creature? Discuss.

[OldTrees]

Why change the wording on Voodoo Doll?

The goal is not to change the wording on Voodoo Doll but rather to provide another wording that Zanz can implement if he finds it is better. A sort of compromise between the "change how voodoo works" and "it's fine" groups.

The wording on it explains exactly how that card works in 99% of times. Only situation when it works in a bit weird way is when you copy it with Parallel Universe | Twin Universe. So why don't we try to rephrase that card instead?

The reason to reword Voodoo Doll instead of Twin Universe would use the same argument. However you do have a point in that Twin universe has more room for rewording.

Now PU | TU says: Summon an exact copy of the target creature
To me the whole problem here can be solved by changing the word exact to something more fitting.

With my mediocre Engrish skills, this is the best I can come up with:
Summon a copy of the target creature. Apply all effects that has been done to original creature also to the copy.

Or is that bit too confusing wording when used with Mutated creature? Discuss.

Unfortunately this wording does not fit "Summon a copy of the target creature. Apply all effects that has been done to original creature also to the copy."
The last word "copy' does not make the cut.