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(Entropy) Sir Valimont 2 - 0 Klaymore (Air) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16538.msg211734#msg211734
« on: November 28, 2010, 03:20:50 pm »
Good match klaymore.

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This is a rainbow voodoo doll deck, as you can see. It uses Discord and Dragons for stalling and damage, while the setup of Voodoo Doll + Gravity Pull + Basilisk Blood is both CC and a weapon. The 34 cards allow for a deckout win if the opponent refuses to play creatures. One nice side effect of Voodoo Doll + Basilisk Blood is it can stop the opponent's weapon ... very useful against Air who would otherwise be picking off Dragons with Owl's Eye.

There were a few desyncs but the two games that played out went smoothly.

First game klaymore did not know what to expect; I had one Dragon and a Discord, and the Voodoo Doll setup made his FFQ kill him on his turn.

Second game klaymore used good strategy and waited to bring out as many Bonds as possible. This way, even when FFQ and Fireflies would hit Voodoo Doll, they would also heal for at least as much (3 Bonds) or more (4 Bonds). The game lasted a while because I did not draw a Voodoo Doll until about 20 cards into the deck. Still, once it was out I was able to Deflag one of his Bonds and with 3 Bonds the net damage with his creatures was zero ... since I had 5 Basilisk Bloods on the Voodoo Doll, it could hold them off a long while ... meanwhile my 2 Dragons killed him.

Good game Air. Glad to have a few victories in this round ... we've really screwed things up pretty badly in our other matches.

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Re: Sir Valimont (Entropy) 2 - 0 (Air) klaymore https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16538.msg211738#msg211738
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2010, 03:25:37 pm »
Good match but for some reason I saw Valimont desync our last game... and I won against AI so I dunno...

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Re: Sir Valimont (Entropy) 1 - 0 (Air) Klaymore https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16538.msg211754#msg211754
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2010, 04:06:54 pm »
 i think a rematch is in order but im stell new to how things work around here,  from what i see Klaymore has  proof that he won, Sir Valimont dont,  so no-mater  how it played out it look's like 1-1 next Match is winner. that seems fair. by way of screen shots and what was explained.

 Sir Valimont. if there was a desync why did you not explain any thing about it or take a screen shot. and if there was no desync thin  Klaymore has proof that he won the last match. and it all stell look's like a 1-1

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Re: Sir Valimont (Entropy) 1 - 0 (Air) Klaymore https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16538.msg211762#msg211762
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2010, 04:18:16 pm »
Glowing ice, it is a replay because the desync happened earlier so the AI could have made some playing mistakes.  It does though certainly prove that they should replay because it is unclear who the winner would be.

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Re: Sir Valimont (Entropy) 2 - 0 (Air) Klaymore https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16538.msg211763#msg211763
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2010, 04:18:49 pm »
From what turned out of the lil discussion we had after the match: Sir Valimont apparently did not noticed I had a Hope out (played the turn before he would have had killed me). Thanks to it: his last attack did not kill me and I could come back. Maybe you did not notice it and left to post straight away?
About the fact that I did not took screenshot before: I actually never had to do that before, did not even knew how to and had to ask someone in the chat to explain me how to (Ascabi I think). At that time I had already played few turns against the AI. I also thought that the screenshots should be of the turn in which victory is decided.

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Re: Sir Valimont (Entropy) 2 - 0 (Air) Klaymore https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16538.msg211776#msg211776
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2010, 04:27:29 pm »
Warmaster ruled a redo of the game, so its 1-0 for Valimont at the moment.

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Re: Sir Valimont (Entropy) 2 - 0 (Air) Klaymore https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16538.msg211778#msg211778
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2010, 04:29:21 pm »
Warmaster ruled a redo of the game, so its 1-0 for Valimont at the moment.
Seriously people. Stop saying stuff from me in chat if I have not made a final decision. I will post it myself if I have.

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Re: Sir Valimont (Entropy) 2 - 0 (Air) Klaymore https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16538.msg211784#msg211784
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2010, 04:35:15 pm »
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Apparently klaymore now claims there was a desync after the last turn. The only possible way he could win would be for AI to conveniently not Deflag his Bond, allowing him to heal. I think it's pretty obvious from a good sportsmanship perspective that I would win.

Furthermore, I find it rather ridiculous that his screenshot below is a good 10 turns after the supposed "desync" which is lovely because he waited until he healed all the way up, killed my Voodoo, and made it look like it wasn't close. In fact it was a lopsided victory in the opposite direction.
I just explained why I did not take screenshot before. Concerning the AI: he did not had to conveniently deflag something else since desync happened AFTER Valimont deflaged on of my bond. What had me survived is the Hope.
THe point of my screenie is to show that you did NOT kill me. not to show that I had at the end of the match a strong advantage. I know that when you desynced I was nearly down.

On another note the way you started accusing me of fake desync on our first game, told me to check MY connection and crying that it is unfair that I saw your deck, and the way you now say that my screenshot is ridiculous is starting to get on my nerves.
First: my conection is fine, thanks: maybe check yours?
Second: You saw my deck too, or at least my Mark which gives out information to you too if you looked at our previous round decks.
Third: It is your fault if you don't read what people write. As I said a couple times now deflag hitted the bond.
Fourth: I am not responsible for you not seing Hope and leaving the game as soon as you think you won.
Fifth: Nothing is less obvious than your 'victory' "From a good sportsmanship perspective"
Now I really don't care that much about that match outcome but I think you could show a bit more respect starting with being more carefull before randomly accusing people.

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Re: Sir Valimont (Entropy) 2 - 0 (Air) Klaymore https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16538.msg211792#msg211792
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2010, 04:43:43 pm »
There is no need for hysterics.

I clearly won this match, and if I had taken a screenshot of my victory there would be no argument. Your screenshot is not proof of a desync at all, rather it is proof of victory; and it was from a match against AI. A proof of desync shows the little red bar. If you had taken a picture of the desync, it would show an obvious victory for me. I am not accusing you of anything, klaymore, I just find it inconvenient that your screenshot does not indicate that I won the match rather easily.

So the problem is: You claim there was a desync. Well, there was no desync for me. On my screen I won completely fairly and it wasn't at all close. You then show a screenshot that shows no desync. Well, you could have taken that screenshot from any match, including any of the 2 or 3 that did desync when we fought each other. If you had taken a screenshot when there was (supposedly) a desync in our match, then it would have shown clear victory for me which only didn't happen because of bad AI. I think either way the match goes to me.

I assume that you will be honest and admit that you had gone down to 2 or 3 HP -- if you did in fact put a Hope shield up in one of your games -- and that it was a clear winning condition for me until that point, again in your games. I didn't take a screenshot only because the victory was so obvious. I have little intention of having to rematch simply because I didn't take a screenshot showing me beating you 90 HP to 0. Especially since you've admitted quite honestly that the match happened as I have claimed.

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Re: Sir Valimont (Entropy) 2 - 0 (Air) Klaymore https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16538.msg211803#msg211803
« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2010, 04:59:37 pm »
You then show a screenshot that shows no desync. Well, you could have taken that screenshot from any match, including any of the 2 or 3 that did desync when we fought each other.
Yeah dude of course I actually even lost my matches against the AI so I had to call a friend who is a professional Photoshop user and in the 2 minutes between 2nd match and my post he made that fake screenshot up !

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Paranoia is quite an obvious symptom of hysteria and I don't think either that we need this.

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  assume that you will be honest and admit that you had gone down to 2 or 3 HP
I already did said I very closely survived.

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you've admitted quite honestly that the match happened as I have claimed.
I did, although I did not agree with how it ends (remember in my version I won) Too bad your 'victory' was so obvious because on the only screenshot we have from the game it is not that obvious...

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Re: Sir Valimont (Entropy) 2 - 0 (Air) Klaymore https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16538.msg211804#msg211804
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2010, 05:03:00 pm »
Klaymore, your screenshot is against AI, and it's not the turn after desync. How does that prove anything?

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Re: Sir Valimont (Entropy) 2 - 0 (Air) Klaymore https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16538.msg211807#msg211807
« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2010, 05:07:35 pm »
Klaymore, your screenshot is against AI, and it's not the turn after desync. How does that prove anything?
It proves "sure win" never happened as he didnt lose the game? The only way to prove sure win would be if either Klaymore lost to AI, or if Valimont provided a screenshot of his hand. Valimont also won against AI. If Klaymore negates sure win, and Valimont cant prove it, thats textbook redo.

 

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