The quest for good unupped fg farmers (outdated)

[TheonlyrealBeef]

NOTE: outdated thread is outdated.
Recommended unupped fg farmer: Liquid Antimatter (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,17730) 17.6% normalized win rate
SGbow's doesn't make up for it's sloth with a measly +0.8% win rate

I've heard a lot of talk about unupped fg farming being bad, it's not worth it, you need to spend hours of lousy ai3 farming first to get your 6 upgrades, and t50 to get the required rares. I want to prove this wrong, I'll be running tests with completely unupgraded decks that have only 1 rare weapon at most. So that newbs can get to fg farming right after 500 score! Or so to speak. I'll be running 200 games with each viable deck to start with, so far these are on my list:
SGbow
 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,1615.0.html)

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4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4vm 52n 52r 55r 55r 592 5c6 5c6 5f8 5oj 5rl 5rl 5rl 5rl 5ro 5rp 5rp 5rp 5rp 5rp 5rp 5up 61t 621 62118.4% normalized win rate.

Liquid Antimatter
 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,17730)

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4vn 4vn 4vn 4vn 4vn 4vn 5uo 5uo 5uu 5uu 5uu 5uu 5uu 5uu 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606Note that I altered this deck, it's clearly better with pendulums.17.6% normalized win rate.

Voodoo Deck
 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14435.0.html)

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Sudden Fire Bolt Killer

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5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5lg 5mq 61o 61o 61o 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 61uTesting aborted early due to low win rate + slow deck.13.8% normalized win rate.

The Essential Half-Blood Farmer
 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,3154.0.html)

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61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61s 61s 61s 61s 61s 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 61v 61v 61v 61v 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63aIs too slow, results in more in too many instant quits. Both permanent control and healing render it useless.
Cover and Cry (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,10453.0.html)

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4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4vc 55q 5c4 5ig 5ig 5l9 5oc 5rg 5ro 5rp 5rp 5rp 5rp 5rp 5uk 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 621 621Testing right now!

Please add suggestions for decks to test, if they meet the requirements and look viable I'll give them a try!
I'll post normalized win rates as I get them.

[kobisjeruk]

Fire Lance Sudden Killer* unupgraded could work very well

heres a decklist given your restriction :-

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5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5lg 5mq 61o 61o 61o 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 61u
i prefer lobotomizer instead of fahrenheit because it can deal with some threats against this deck
2 upgraded would be better, and best of all, this deck work exceptionally good with just 2~4 upgrades (SoGs and 2 lobo)


* original idea by twinsbuster

[BC]

Made this a while ago. Not sure about the win rate though, since I never did any extensive testing with it.
Firefly / Hope by me, I guess. Should work theoretically, and did beat few FGs with it.
Deck link: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14470.0.html

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5lb 5lk 5lk 5lk 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5ok 5ok 5ok 5ok 5ok 5ok 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 61u 622 622 622 622hmmm, just tested this a bit, and it is not doing too well. Dunno, it's your call if you want to take data on this or not.

[smuglapse]

Re: Sudden Fire Bolt Killer

Shouldn't the Light Pendulum be replaced by a Nova.  You don't need additional , and if it were drawn last the Pendulum does nothing for you.

Also, you get 1 with a Nova.

[kobisjeruk]

only on the rarest occasion
it was actually a copy from the upgraded decklist which i modified
pendulums work better since you get additional which is always great

[TheonlyrealBeef]

I've already tried a few with the fire lance deck games, and usually my hand is just too small. I want to keep dim shields, reflective shields and fire bolts all in the same hand, and am forced to place dim shields too early and not have enough Fire Quanta for the kill when I run out...

[WisperingWind]

The SGbow seems to go through very fast. Would it work to increase everything proportionally?

[theloconate]

cover and cry should definitly be here

[geekz_always_win]

You could use some other stuff in your Liquid Antimatter deck.

[BC]

Liquid antimatter actually runs pretty well, it's like a more stable version of nymphomania except it also loses more often. SGBow is still my favorite unupped FG deck though.

[DecadeW]

I'm a noob and even SGBow worked for me.

The Fire Bolt deck isn't that good and I mostly die before I finish the FG off.
After 5 battles the lowest I got the FG to is around 10+ HP.

[kobisjeruk]

i guess you need to learn how to use it well
the key is getting 113 fire quanta before you deckout
this means you need to survive for as many turns as possible before starting the dimension shield chain
reflective shield is only necessary against FG with reflective-like shield themselves

bad luck comes from not drawing dimension shield when you need it (i.e. breaking the chain) or drawing too many firebolt and too little pillar early on
i dont know about you guys but the deck works fine for me even unupped, upgraded, it has even less towers (to make room for SoGs) so i dont get how you cant get enough fire quanta to TKO the FG