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OMG WTF?????? 25 heal per turn???? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13621.msg171630#msg171630
« on: October 06, 2010, 03:08:36 am »
So here's my adrenalined staves deck.

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It works pretty well, but the SoGs feel like dead cards. What should I replace them with?

Also, is it worth upping this deck? (I'm doing T50 with this deck, and it seems pretty much a 100% EM if I win)
And, yes, it's not a mono-life, but I couldn't afford to upgrade all the Flying Weapons.
I'm pretty sure it's been done, but I couldn't find another deck with JUST staves and adrenalines.

EDIT:

After some advice, this is my V2 of the deck:

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I'm also working on upping it.  Think that after I up it, I'll probably add one or two deflags with a fire mark to deal with those annoyign Jade and Permafrost shields.
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Re: OMG WTF?????? 25 heal per turn???? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13621.msg171631#msg171631
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2010, 03:11:21 am »
may if im not nagging edit ur post to actualy show the deck? also it has been done before like a million times
thanks and yes the SoG are over the top

Re: OMG WTF?????? 25 heal per turn???? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13621.msg171640#msg171640
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2010, 03:26:21 am »
So, what do I replace them with?

Should I up it?

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Re: OMG WTF?????? 25 heal per turn???? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13621.msg171642#msg171642
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2010, 03:27:37 am »
So, what do I replace them with?

Should I up it?
Don't up staves. They hit less times.
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Re: OMG WTF?????? 25 heal per turn???? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13621.msg171644#msg171644
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2010, 03:41:04 am »
replace sogs with life pillars.

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Re: OMG WTF?????? 25 heal per turn???? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13621.msg171658#msg171658
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2010, 04:14:35 am »
Oh and by the way, upgrading the Flying Weapons to Animate Weapon still wouldn't make this deck a Mono-Life. It would be a Duo deck considering you have cards from 2 different elements, Life, Air and Neutral (Other) cards.
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Re: OMG WTF?????? 25 heal per turn???? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13621.msg171662#msg171662
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2010, 04:17:28 am »
How about replacing the SoGs with EBs? Since 'hyper' staves hit 4 times, EB counts each attack as a creature, meaning it heals you 4HP instead of 1 per turn. :D

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Re: OMG WTF?????? 25 heal per turn???? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13621.msg171673#msg171673
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2010, 04:49:07 am »
How about replacing the SoGs with EBs? Since 'hyper' staves hit 4 times, EB counts each attack as a creature, meaning it heals you 4HP instead of 1 per turn. :D
Unless something changed, Empathic Bond does not give you 4 HP for each creature with adrenaline - it goes by creatures, not attacks.
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Re: OMG WTF?????? 25 heal per turn???? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13621.msg171674#msg171674
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2010, 04:53:28 am »
Honestly, I'd up the Flying Weapons and drop the Fog Shields.  I know you said you couldn't afford to do it, but that's what the trainer's for.  ;)  I don't like relying on a mark splash to generate enough quanta. 

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Re: OMG WTF?????? 25 heal per turn???? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13621.msg171678#msg171678
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2010, 04:58:51 am »
How about replacing the SoGs with EBs? Since 'hyper' staves hit 4 times, EB counts each attack as a creature, meaning it heals you 4HP instead of 1 per turn. :D
Unless something changed, Empathic Bond does not give you 4 HP for each creature with adrenaline - it goes by creatures, not attacks.
I got that from the wiki:

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Vampire also acts like you’d expect – all damage is returned as healing, from all attacks.  But what is interesting is if emphatic bond on the field.  Emphatic Bond treats an adrenalinized vampire as more than one creature.  For every attack you gain an extra healing, meaning Emphatic Bond is 3-4 times as effective. With six emphatic bonds on the field, a vampire that would normally bring 2 healing with each attack instead heals you for 8, meaning after four attacks, instead of healing for 8 HP, you heal for 32 HP.

And since it was last edited on September 16th, I assumed that nothing changed until now. :D

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Re: OMG WTF?????? 25 heal per turn???? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13621.msg171684#msg171684
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2010, 05:13:28 am »
I got that from the wiki:

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Vampire also acts like you’d expect – all damage is returned as healing, from all attacks.  But what is interesting is if emphatic bond on the field.  Emphatic Bond treats an adrenalinized vampire as more than one creature.  For every attack you gain an extra healing, meaning Emphatic Bond is 3-4 times as effective. With six emphatic bonds on the field, a vampire that would normally bring 2 healing with each attack instead heals you for 8, meaning after four attacks, instead of healing for 8 HP, you heal for 32 HP.

And since it was last edited on September 16th, I assumed that nothing changed until now. :D
Firstly, that says Vampires, not all creatures.  Secondly, it's just not true and I have no idea why it says that.  I just tested it in the trainer, and adrenaline'd creatures (Vampire and Flying Staffs included) only heal for 1 point.

Edit: Okay, so it does work!  I don't know what I did wrong the first time, but yes, it is working upon re-testing.  Even so, this still only applies to Vampires.  (:

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Re: OMG WTF?????? 25 heal per turn???? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13621.msg171712#msg171712
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2010, 06:41:28 am »
I did questioned this too when I first read that article in wiki. Testing in the trainer proved this is correct - adrenalined vampire with emphatic bonds does give you the extra healing for every attack.

Just did this in the trainer - vampire's attacks are 2/2/2/2 and my health goes +3/+3/+3/+3.


Personally, I would call this as a bug but let's not get off-topic :)

 

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