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Minimal CC Anti-FG Chargebow! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12015.msg149129#msg149129
« on: August 30, 2010, 08:50:55 pm »
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This deck was posted before the 1.32 game update and as a result may work very differently now.  Use at your own risk.

This started out as my own little variation on the CC? Why bother? (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,9545.0.html) deck. I've found Fractal to be a little annoying, as it can mess up my hand and aether quanta pools, and what I get from using it isn't worth it, in my opinion. I've also made a few minor tweaks and added two of my nymphs (if you don't have the nymphs, CC? Why Bother? is for you) - however, my variation has deviated greatly from the original deck's theme and has enough tweaks that I've decided to make my own thread on it. I will continue to tweak this deck based on my testing and other people's comments, but I probably won't deviate from this basic deck idea much. Without further ado, the deck:

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(Possible changes: If you have an Air Nymph as well, take out the Elite Queen and put it in there. You can also take out a Lava Destroyer and put in a Jade Shield if you have the Nymph.)

Strategy Unique to this deck: Against high-CC FG's, Quinting 2 Destroyers and an Elite Queen or 1 Destroyer, Elite Queen, and the Purple Nymph should work. Against moderate-CC FG's, Quinting 2 Destroyers and the Purple Nymph or 1 Destroyer and both Nymphs should work. Against minimal-to-no-CC FG's, quint Destroyers to prevent TU/Fractal abuse. (Purple Nymph can't handle too much)

Yes, this works semi-upped. Supernovas and SoG's are critical upped. Certain cards, like the Nymph, Liquid Shadow, and the Heal work just as well unupped - no need to upgrade them if you haven't already.

More may be added later.
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Re: Immortal Nymphs - Minimal CC FG Killer! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12015.msg149175#msg149175
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2010, 10:14:55 pm »
So this is just a CCYB deck with some Nymphomania thrown in and Fractal filtered out?

I should ask, why are there no Permafrosts / Jade Shield and only one Mirror Shield?
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Re: Immortal Nymphs - Minimal CC FG Killer! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12015.msg149181#msg149181
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2010, 10:22:12 pm »
^ there are 2 permafrost shields right there o.0. and pretty much CCYB with nymphomania :P

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Re: Immortal Nymphs - Minimal CC FG Killer! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12015.msg149183#msg149183
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2010, 10:26:30 pm »
*Looks at deck again*

Huh, I have the observation skill of a potato.
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Re: Minimal CC Anti-FG Chargebow! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12015.msg151118#msg151118
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2010, 12:24:29 am »
After some testing, made some changes: -1 Black Nymph, -1 Mirror Shield, +1 Improved Heal, +1 Improved Miracle, +1 Liquid Shadow. Black Nymph is much less versatile compared to LS (which is usually used on the last turn or on an Antimattered enemy creature), costs more, and the LS on the stick isn't really needed. (thus the title has also been changed) Mirror Shield is dead weight against a lot of FG's. (you could make an argument for Jade Shield, but I prefer to freeze Octane's EE's :))) Heal and Miracle not only save my ass against some FG's, but they also skyrocket this deck's EM rate. It's even bulkier now, but the difference isn't too signifcant. All elements are now used. :)

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Re: Minimal CC Anti-FG Chargebow! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12015.msg151215#msg151215
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2010, 02:56:59 am »
Your deck looks good to me.  It looks like a very interesting idea.  I was tweaking the CCYB deck too.   Like SG's deck, CCYB seems like a good deck to build from and modify.

The heal versus SoD for EM's is probably a good idea.  I went SoD and I'm not sure why.  I keep trying to get rid of one of the hour glasses also.  They work great as "AI" bait in deflag/pulverizer/steal scenarios, protecting your pulverizer.

I agree fractal is not a great card.  I much prefer mindgate, which is the blanked out card here:
 
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I haven't had such great luck with purple nymph unfortunately.  I tried replacing the improved antimatters with 1 purple nymph, bu the issue of fire shields/etc... is a problem plus I usually don't have 13 entropies owing to the supernova's being entropy neutral...



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Re: Minimal CC Anti-FG Chargebow! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12015.msg151289#msg151289
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2010, 08:18:06 am »

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Re: Minimal CC Anti-FG Chargebow! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12015.msg151346#msg151346
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2010, 12:48:26 pm »
So which is better, this or CCYB?

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Re: Minimal CC Anti-FG Chargebow! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12015.msg151487#msg151487
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2010, 08:30:28 pm »
I haven't had such great luck with purple nymph unfortunately.  I tried replacing the improved antimatters with 1 purple nymph, bu the issue of fire shields/etc... is a problem plus I usually don't have 13 entropies owing to the supernova's being entropy neutral...
Pulverizer is a very critical card in this deck. Against decks with a PA'd Fire Shield or Pulverizer, they're usually hard to beat anyways.

@Zsotti: Please read the very first sentence in my post, lol.

@Wak: I find that this build is more reliable, especially against certain FG's, but it's a tad slower than CCYB.

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Re: Minimal CC Anti-FG Chargebow! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12015.msg151877#msg151877
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2010, 08:15:00 am »
I tried purple nymph too, but it didn't really work out. You cant really play it early bc of its cost, and against a lot of FGs u have to wait for a quint too. And by the time you could play it, your defense is usually set up, so it wont matter that much.

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Re: Minimal CC Anti-FG Chargebow! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12015.msg151973#msg151973
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2010, 02:20:25 pm »
I tried purple nymph too, but it didn't really work out. You cant really play it early bc of its cost, and against a lot of FGs u have to wait for a quint too. And by the time you could play it, your defense is usually set up, so it wont matter that much.
Nah, Purple Nymph is a saving throw against certain FG's. Sure, you can stall it bit with Permafrost and SoG's. But the sheer number of damage will eventually kill you...until you start pushing back with some Antimatter. Of course, I kept one regular Antimatter for last resort - I considered taking it out, but I may need it for said last resort.

Also, I'm going to test -1 Lava Destroyer +1 Steam Machine. Great synergy with some Elite Fireflies, too. I'm not too sure it works, as it conflicts with both Perma Shield and the Destroyer. On the other hand, ignoring those cards, it's actually good in this deck. Still deciding.

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Re: Minimal CC Anti-FG Chargebow! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12015.msg158861#msg158861
« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2010, 03:33:01 am »
I like this deck.  A lot.  EMs against some nasty gods.  I had totally forgotten about my nymphs till I saw this--that purple nymph makes for some good healing.

I was wondering if a blue nymph would be a wasted effort in this deck or if it would add value in your opinion.
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