Improve chance to get upgraded cards in AI5

[BluePriest]

This just needs to be done. AI5 has no use at all. Theyre decks stink, but its hard to grind them because they are still relatively hard due to the massive HP. As SG noted in her noob diaries, it is almost pointless to grind them since they are so slow to win, and have such a small chance of winning a card, let alone an upgraded one. So what do I propose? How would we keep the AI5 at aproximately the same difficulty AND increase upgrade card win ration without making it too easy?

In the AI5 decks, when 1 card is upgraded, have all of that card upgraded. This wouldnt include towers, however, it would include any creature spell or permanent. Theres nothing worse than getting the first two slots as an upgraded oty, and then the final one be an unupped oty.

Or, if that idea isnt liked, during the spin, if 2 are upped, and 1 isnt, give the upgraded card, and if 1 is upped and 2 arent, give an unupped card.

Just SOMETHING to make them actually worth fighting. Even a higher electrum reward would be good (although not the point of this thread).

[Daytripper]

I don't know why you would say that, maybe just bad luck?

My deck beats ai3 about always, and my top 50 score is is pretty high. Against ai5 I lose quite a bit, but still after a few wins I ll be getting an upped card.

My most recent try:

top 50 got me 750 electrum (It was a bad run, but even so its nowhere NEAR 1500)
ai5 got me an upped and some money, totalling 1390 electrums.

ai3 always wins, its slow and steady. Very boring and I dont think very fast.

Both runs were about 30 mins.

How often does your deck win against a5 then?

[Cancerplus]

@Daytripper It's not about the difficulty when versing them it's the lame spins that come with mixing upped and unupped cards that make you lose out on so many cards.

They are just not worth the time you put into them like you said you can get much more money from grinding AI3 and T50.

[BluePriest]

How often does your deck win against a5 then?

Quite Often. It also EM's them about 70-80% of the time as well. Its also halfway upgraded. Are you use an upgraded deck or an unupped deck?

There is where my point lies. By the time you make a deck specifically for grinding Halfbloods, and one that actually wins a good portion of the time, you mine as well build an anti FG deck, and have better cash flow. Also, you were extremely lucky to win aan upgraded card. SG, in 2 hours of grinding, didnt get a single one. Right now im keeping record, Out of about 20 games, I won 1 upgraded card. I probably could have done at least 3x the amount of games, them all be wins 90% EMs, and get about the same amount of total cash in that amount of time.

Of course that is all guessing, Im doing actual statistics right now.

[Daytripper]

Lucky? I call it consistent. I played about 1,5 hours and I won 3. So, 1 per 30 mins. That happens to me all the time. Last time I checked I needed 10-12 wins per upped card, so I reckon that is about 30 mins.

Yes, I have chosen to build an upgraded earth deck. That was my choice. I am well aware of the fact it is not a very good deck. So yeah, I know that now. Still it usually wins or loses in under 10 turns. Maybe I just play more games I dont know? Its a very normal deck, 11 stones, 10 attackers, 3 quicksand, 3 rewind, 3 bas blood. You ll always be hanging on by your finger nails but that is not the point. I only play for the spins.

[King of doom]

I agree, I almost won a Jade Shield but then the unupped version came in the slot

[Daytripper]

I won a sky dragon.

That is 4 upgraded cards today, in about 2 hours.

I've also had those runs yes, 2 upped and 1 unupped. Doesnt matter.

What I suggest:

1) Start
2) Count your wins and your time.
3) If you win an upped card, time yourself!
4) If it takes over 45 minutes, try again tomorrow. Your luck was damaged.

[Dragoon1140]

I have only won one upgraded card from AI5 in my life, it just isn't worth it.  AI3 is a much better grind for money, since you actually win cards regularly to sell.  Sure you might be able to get lucky and win one upgraded card an hour, but AI3 still lets you have a higher net-profit at the end of the day.

[Kuross]

I think what BP is trying to say is if someone wanted to grind for upped cards, they'd go to FGs. Score, then to Elder. Cards, then off to T50.

The ultimate point BP was trying to make was to give more reason to grind, or just occasionally play, Half Blood. I like the upp/unupped spins = win the card. Something to give credence to playing L5. I do think that half bloods serve as a transition for newer players to work their way into FGs, but it's after that half bloods lose their usefulness.

I agree with BP's ultimate point. I believe there is consensus and work being done to address this. Anything that makes half bloods more fun to play I am all for it.

[Daytripper]

Well, I suppose you should win an upped in 30 to 60 mins. (Assuming you can get 10 to 20 wins by then.) If that is not the case for everybody, the slot machine may need some tweaking. I've also been having slower runs, but I do still win uppeds.

[3D House of Beef]

I agree with this as well.  AI5 is a weak spot in the AI grinding progression only because of the bad rewards you get for beating them.  Anything to increase the rewards for this AI slot would be appreciated.  A better chance of winning upped cards from them is a great idea.

[killfer8]

Seconded. I've won (counts fingers...*) 1 Upgraded card from AI5 and grinded like a month and it was a graboid not even a shrieker. so 30% wouldnt hurt that much