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Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59916.msg1211482#msg1211482
« Reply #192 on: October 21, 2015, 03:27:34 am »
Bleh.

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Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59916.msg1211490#msg1211490
« Reply #193 on: October 21, 2015, 06:15:37 am »
I don't know whether to believe Dm, but sky has been acting...not on the up and up. BCCing multiple people on Day 1, trying to direct votes (forgive me for stupidly doing it). Then trying to direct votes Day 2 without giving a full explanation for why. Dm could very well be mafia, but he hasn't acted that way. Sky is clearly not acting like a civvy.

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Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59916.msg1211499#msg1211499
« Reply #194 on: October 21, 2015, 07:03:15 am »
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Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59916.msg1211504#msg1211504
« Reply #195 on: October 21, 2015, 08:50:49 am »
Give me a day. I'll prove it.

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Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59916.msg1211505#msg1211505
« Reply #196 on: October 21, 2015, 09:00:00 am »
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Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59916.msg1211508#msg1211508
« Reply #197 on: October 21, 2015, 09:29:06 am »
Right now we're in a situation in which one player is staking their life on another player being mafia. This means we are practically guaranteed to have at least one mafia between Dm, sky, and the person (if any) who contacted sky. The probabilities of us getting to this situation don't matter, because here we are. An important piece of information is that sky targeted me with a Supply Crate last night. This means two things. First, sky cannot have found Dm as mafia on her own. Second, sky is highly likely to be town because giving away a Supply Crate is obviously really bad to do as mafia. If you choose not to believe me, that's fine.

That leaves us with three scenarios, and two possible lynches.

1. Sky is mafia and Dm is town.
Obviously no mafia would out themselves just to kill a random town, so the only way this makes sense is if they knew Dm's role, which is unlikely, and Dm was an Agent, which is also not likely. This is what you believe if you want to lynch sky.

2. The third person is town and Dm is mafia.
This is the scenario I believe to be true. This is completely plausible, as that person has a 12/16 chance of killing a mafia for free due to sky being town. The other options are to publicly out themselves or keep that information to themselves. If that person was one who sky asked to vote on Dm, that makes it more likely that they would trust sky when they found Dm was mafia. Lynching sky is bad here.

3. The third person is mafia and Dm is town.
Lynching sky is still bad here. She would die without revealing the name of the third person and we would have let a mafia get away, and possibly lynch Dm too. This is also not likely to happen without mafia knowing Dm is an agent.

To summarize, if you want to lynch sky then you must believe that Dm is an Agent. Lynching sky is the only way that we can not catch a mafia. As an added bonus, I will stake my life on sky being town.

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Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59916.msg1211526#msg1211526
« Reply #198 on: October 21, 2015, 11:00:33 am »
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To summarize, if you want to lynch sky then you must believe that Dm is an Agent.

Loooooooollll

This is so wrong, so wrong it hurts. So wrong, it hurts.

I still believe you didn't even read my post. Everything you said here is so off, that it's painful to read.

Thanks for confirming you and Sky are playing together though; will make life easier for town after I get lynched and prove my point.

Your 1. is wrong, your 2. is also wrong (12/16? LOLNOPE, that math's not even close to true), and your 3. is just retarded (this means Sky randomly trusted someone and Sky is a terrible town.

Nah man, if you want to lynch Sky, that just means you realized the probabilities of me being mafia because of what you guys are claiming are absurdly low, which is something I have already proven.

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Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59916.msg1211587#msg1211587
« Reply #199 on: October 21, 2015, 06:22:46 pm »
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Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59916.msg1211589#msg1211589
« Reply #200 on: October 21, 2015, 06:31:44 pm »
Dm's explanations and the lack of any answer of sky (including my question how he or whoever should've known on day 1, that Dm is mafia) make me change my vote.

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Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59916.msg1211593#msg1211593
« Reply #201 on: October 21, 2015, 06:53:53 pm »
not even asking to the people who still have not answered me completely since page 13 (yes, that includes you, UTA)

Do you still have questions unanswered? I thought I answered everything you asked (except who told me to vote on you, which I later said was sky).

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Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59916.msg1211597#msg1211597
« Reply #202 on: October 21, 2015, 07:17:00 pm »
not even asking to the people who still have not answered me completely since page 13 (yes, that includes you, UTA)

Do you still have questions unanswered? I thought I answered everything you asked (except who told me to vote on you, which I later said was sky).

The "reasons given" part; you simply said you should know better than to trust non-confirmed people, which is true, but you never specified if you just trusted someone who told you "Hey Dm is maf" or similar. The content you were told in Day 1 is important for all of us.



On a different note, after I die, independent of Sky turning civilian or not after you all lynch like I know you all will, you should also lynch Link after. Don't forget they're both in it together; and if Sky's either maf or bad civ, then Link is also either maf or a terrible civilian.

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Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59916.msg1211599#msg1211599
« Reply #203 on: October 21, 2015, 07:22:19 pm »
Do you mind changing your vote to start with this tomorrow instead of waiting another day?
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