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Title: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Kuroaitou on October 08, 2015, 10:36:39 pm
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WAIT FOR THE HOST TO POST THEIR RULES OKAY THANKS.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: eljoemo on October 08, 2015, 11:07:38 pm
The door burst open and 5 men entered, each wearing a mask and each armed with some kind of weapon. The ringleader stepped forward and loosed a few shots into the ceiling. "Everybody on your knees!" Within seconds only the intruders were left standing. "Alright then" he continued "That's what I like to see. Keep your hands where I can see them, no funny business." The whole room watched, fearfully attentive.

"Now, you're probably wondering why I've gathered you all here toda-"
"This is a military warehouse! Are you crazy?" one hostage interrupted. The ringleader stalked his way over to the worker, towering over him. "You know" he replied with a cold smile, "I think I might just be." The leader drew his pistol and fired a bullet in the man's forehead. "Where was I?" He asked casually, as the body slumped to the ground.

"Somewhere in this facility, hidden in with all the usual tat, is something very special. Something that an interested party is willing to pay a lot of money to get their hands on, and trust me; I mean a lot. Your employer has gone to great lengths to ensure that this technology remains secret. I'm willing to bet most of you don't even know what these things are. But you're gonna help me find what I'm looking for, or you're going to end up like your friend over there." He gestures to the corpse, flat out in a puddle of blood.

The leader glanced around the room, scanning all the terrified faces. "So who's first, hmm?" His gazed settled on a young woman cowering behind her desk. "How about you missy? Do you know what I'm looking for?" The girl quivered as she shook her head. "No? How very disappointing." He drew his gun once more, aiming at the woman's temple. Suddenly, a small canister flew in through a side door and began spewing smoke into the room. "Quick! Everybody move! Hurry!"a voice called out as the dense smoke obscured the room. "No don't you dare move!" the leader commanded as he fired shots blindly into the fog, which only spurred the hostages to clamber their way out even faster. By the time the smoke cleared, only the 5 intruders and the lifeless corpse remained.

"SON OF A BITCH!" the ringleader cursed. His eyes danced with anger; his hands clenched into fists. The leader whirled around and glared at the other four men, barely moved from where they entered. "Alright" he growled, "if they want to play games, we'll play games. Take out the cameras. We're going hunting..."

...

"Take out the cameras. We're going hunting..." The monitor broke into static. "How long ago was this taken?" the Director asked.
"9 minutes ago, sir."
"Good. Then there's still time." He touched his stubbled chin thoughtfully. "Scramble any agents you can. Have them briefed and find them a way into that compound."
"Yes, sir." the soldier replied as she turned and left, leaving him alone. The General let out a long sigh and leaned back in his chair. "They can't be allowed to succeed" he said to no one in particular. "If they get away with that technology, there'll be no stopping them..."



ELEMENTS MAFIA 52




GENERAL RULES (Some changes have been made, you should probably re-read these.)

1.   No posting during the 'Night Phase' whatsoever. Everyone gets '~1' warning per night phase if they mess this up.
2.   Do not post, chat, OR PM ANY revealing information if you have been killed/removed from mafia (except for minor 'BLARGH'/murloc TM death noises). This also means that if you withdraw from mafia, you cannot reveal any information after withdrawing from the game.
3.   All Secondary roles/targeting/actions are to be messaged during the NIGHT phase, unless stated otherwise.
4.   No player may do the 'No-Vote'/AFK for THREE consecutive days without a viable reason. Holidays, funerals, etc count as viable reasons. Mafia on other sites, just forgetting, etc, do not. If you wish to withdraw, post in this thread; but do NOT reveal any secret information. Players without viable reasons will be modkilled. Breaking this rule repeatedly may result in a ban from future mafias.
5.   Post in the topic if you want to sign up. No need for any 'role' choosing or whatnot, everything is randomized and assigned.
6.   Do not quote PMs. Ever.
7.   You are allowed to talk in chat about mafia, but please remember general chat rules.
8.   You are not allowed to edit AND/OR remove your post. Instead, EBWOP will take effect. This means, to edit your post, post again with the correct fixes. Any posts breaking this rule will result in the post being deleted on sight.
9.   Any flaming/trolling/cursing will not be tolerated. Appropriate actions will be taken if any of this occurs.*
10.   The mod/host has the final say in any dispute. Do not argue with the mod/host. Do not impersonate the mod/host.
11.   Breaking rules 2, 6, 9 or 10 may result in ban from future mafias or forum games in general.**
12.   When PM-ing the Host for anything associated with Mafia, please include "Mafia" in the subject line. Otherwise, your PM may be ignored or overlooked.
13.   Please wait for the Host to announce that the game has ended before declaring it so yourself and/or posting as though it has. If you believe that one team cannot fail to win the game, send a PM to the Host and wait for their response.

* Abbreviations of curse words doesn't count. But please do keep it PG-13.
** Banning from future mafias will be on a case by case basis and is entirely in the Forum Games Organizer(s) hands.

Mafia is generally played between two teams: Civilians and Mafia. The civilians are the main group, and they enjoy the minor advantage of being a majority. Every day, the civilians post in the thread to discuss who is likely to be mafia, and place a vote on who they think is being scummy (a.k.a. mafia-like or anti-civilian). One thing to note is that your Voting Total signifies the total of votes placed on you, and Voting Power stands for how many votes you actually place on someone when you vote on them (everyone has a standard Voting Power of 1). At the end of the day the host tallies up all the votes and considers all skills affecting the voting; the person with the most votes on them is killed (termed as lynching), and all their info is revealed. Then Night falls...

That’s when the mafia come in. The Mafia are a minority of players who know each other’s identity. Their job is to eliminate all the other players using deception and nightkills. They interact with the town during the day, trying to mislead them away from lynching any mafia members. And when night falls, Mafia discusses in secret and chooses a person to kill (termed as nightkill). Also during the night the civilians use their skills. Some of the noteworthy skills include the cop/seer, who investigate other players to find their allegiance, and the doctor (usually called Archangel here) who can protect a specific player from any nightkills for that night.

Does the stupid game ever end, you ask? Well contrary to popular belief, it does. The Civilians win when whenever they manage to lynch all the Mafia members. And Mafia wins when their combined Voting Power is enough to control the vote entirely, i.e. if all Mafia members vote on the same Civilian and all Civilians vote on a Mafia ember, the civilian will be lynched.

RULES

There will be 5 mafia members. Each will begin the game with a different Weapon and 2 (ish) pieces of Equipment.
There will be 2 agents. Each will begin the game with the two pieces of Agent Equipment.
Everyone else will be a civilian. Each will begin the game with 3 (ish) pieces of Equipment.

All players may only use 1 piece of Equipment per night.
Both Agent Equipment and mafia Weapons are treated as Equipment, unless otherwise specified.
Equipment that requires a "target player" may also be used on yourself, unless otherwise specified.
There are also 3 Top Secret Prototypes, referred to by their 4 letter acronym. These count as Equipment and will be treated as such. What these do specifically will only be revealed to anyone who acquires one, either by starting with one or otherwise.
The phrase "first Equipment use" refers to the Equipment priority list, not the order in which PMs were sent to the host.

Mafia members may chose to nightkill a target OR use a Weapon on a target, but they may not do both during the same night phase. The collective mafia may not use more than one Weapon between them in one night phase.
The mafia nightkill is treated as a group action and not an Equipment use. Only Equipment that specifies that it affects nightkills will do so. Mafia Weapons are treated as single player actions and Equipment uses.

If the votes are tied at the end of a day phase (including Equipment uses), the lynch will be randomized between those involved, unless all players are tied in which case there will be no lynch.
Upon a player's death, their role (mafia, agent, civilian) will be revealed along with the Equipment (used and unused) that they had at their death and how the they were killed (lynch, mafia kill, Combat Knife, etc). Kills from non-weapon Equipment are revealed with the name of the player that used said Equipment.


MAFIA WEAPONS

Blow Dart - (1U) Target player dies at the end of the next day phase. Their voting power is doubled for that day and you may decide who they vote for.

Flamethrower - (1U) Kill the target player. No information will be revealed about them.

Grenade Launcher - (1U) Kill the target player. Cannot be blocked, stopped or redirected by any other Equipment.

Harpoon - (1U) Kill the target player. Their remaining Equipment is distributed among the mafia members.

Tommy Gun - (1U) Kill the target player. If this kill is blocked or stopped (but not redirected), then a random non-mafia player is targeted instead.


EQUIPMENT

Ammo Box - (1U) Give an additional use to every 1U Equipment that the target player has already used (except another Ammo Box).

Barricade - (1U) Target player is immune to any Equipment use / nightkill for this night. However, if they target another player with Equipment, it will be redirected back onto themselves.

Combat Knife - (1U) The first player to target you with any Equipment this night will be killed. Refunded if no player targets you.

Defibrillator - (1U) If the target player would die during the next 2 day and night phases, save them from death once. If not, kill them once this period ends.

Electromagnet - (1U) Steal a piece of Equipment from the target player. Will not steal Equipment with 0 uses remaining.

Flashlight - (1U) Learn the identity, role, and any remaining Equipment of the first player to target you this night phase. Refunded if no player targets you.

Flash Grenade - (1U) Any Equipment that the target player, or anyone who voted on them in the last day phase, uses this night will be redirected to a random target, if applicable. May target the player who was lynched during the last day phase.

Motion Sensor - (1U) Learn all the players that used (or attempted to use) a piece of Equipment this night phase, and who they targeted if applicable. The Equipment used is not revealed.

RFID Scanner - (1U) Name a non-Agent non-Weapon piece of Equipment. Learn the identity of all players that have a copy of that Equipment.

Signal Jammer - (1U) Any Equipment that would return information (Flashlight, Motion Sensor, RFID Scanner, Spy Drone, Bugged Microphone etc.) will fail to do so for this night phase and the next.

Spy Drone - (1U) Learn all of the target player's Equipment uses (or attempted uses) for three nights, starting this night phase.

Supply Crate - (1U) You and the target player both receive a copy of a random piece of non-Agent non-Weapon Equipment. May not self target.

Zip Ties - (1U) Target player will be unable to use Equipment on the next night phase.


TOP SECRET PROTOTYPES

H.A.C.S. - (1U) ?????

I.T.D.G. - (1U) ?????

Q.W.M.T. - (1U) ?????

AGENT EQUIPMENT

Taser - (ER) Target player has their voting power reduced to 0 and their vote total increased by 2 for the next day phase.

Bugged Microphone - (ER) Learn if the target player is a Mafia member or not.

EQUIPMENT PRIORITY

> Equipment From Previous Nights
> Combat Knife & Flashlight
> Signal Jammer
> Barricade
> I.T.D.G.
> Flash Grenade
> Q.W.M.T.
> Mafia Weapons & Nightkill
> Taser
> Bugged Microphone
> H.A.C.S.
> Spy Drone
> Motion Sensor
> RFID Scanner
> Supply Crate
> Ammo Box
> Zip Ties
> Defibrillator
> Electromagnet

SIGN UPS

1. skyironsword
2. Linkcat
3. Kuroaitou
4. MeowMeowCat
5. UTAlan
6. Ginyu
7. rob77dp
8. kirbylover314
9. flyingcat
10. killsdazombies
11. Zawadx
12. dawn to dusk
13. Coffeeditto
14. mathman101
15. RavingRabbid
16. JonathanCrazyJ
17. Dm
18. ddevans96
19. Espithel
20. worldwideweb3


Sign Ups Closed
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: skyironsword on October 08, 2015, 11:15:12 pm
Participating.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Linkcat on October 08, 2015, 11:16:18 pm
In.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Kuroaitou on October 08, 2015, 11:16:23 pm
That's a LOT of death that the Mafia members have. >_>

Either way, participating; a military-themed mafia sounds quite interesting, although given my lack of experience, I have no idea how accurate some of the equipment can be. :P
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Solaris on October 08, 2015, 11:16:38 pm
in
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: UTAlan on October 08, 2015, 11:41:23 pm
In!
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Ginyu on October 08, 2015, 11:45:24 pm
In!
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: rob77dp on October 08, 2015, 11:48:22 pm
In.

Question: What are the wincon's for each faction (did I miss it in there - I read it several times...)?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: kirbylover314 on October 08, 2015, 11:53:46 pm
in
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: eljoemo on October 09, 2015, 12:00:57 am
Question: What are the wincon's for each faction (did I miss it in there - I read it several times...)?

Agents and Civvies are the same team (I only differentiated for the sake of Lore and Equipment), so its just the usual stuff. Town has to kill all mafia, mafia has to kill all town (or just have control of the lynches)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Submachine on October 09, 2015, 12:09:33 am
Do the rules benefit a potential mass roleclaim? E.g: people tell all their equipment names to a confirmed person and if the numbers are not correct with some players, they already have a short list that contains some civvies and all mafia.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: eljoemo on October 09, 2015, 12:18:50 am
Do the rules benefit a potential mass roleclaim? E.g: people tell all their equipment names to a confirmed person and if the numbers are not correct with some players, they already have a short list that contains some civvies and all mafia.

Well I'm expecting each Equipment to appear 3-4 times, so even if I announce the numbers that list would be about 15 names long. RFID Scanner would help a lot, but there's still Equipment that can mess with it, and you have the difficulty of confirming a civvy in the first place. I don't think it will be much of a problem, but I can hide the exact totals if that's what you folks want.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: flyingcat on October 09, 2015, 12:19:52 am
In, wynaut
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: killsdazombies on October 09, 2015, 12:42:51 am
In
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Zawadx on October 09, 2015, 05:32:15 am
In
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: dawn to dusk on October 09, 2015, 05:56:36 am
HI HELLO I WOULD LIKE TO DO A THING YES OK THANKS
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: DoubleCapitals on October 09, 2015, 09:01:17 am
Do the rules benefit a potential mass roleclaim? E.g: people tell all their equipment names to a confirmed person and if the numbers are not correct with some players, they already have a short list that contains some civvies and all mafia.
I don't know. I'm seeing if I can crack it later.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Coffeeditto on October 12, 2015, 02:18:46 pm
In, please.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: mathman101 on October 12, 2015, 03:23:32 pm
sure, i'm in.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: RavingRabbid on October 12, 2015, 03:44:13 pm
in
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on October 12, 2015, 03:55:58 pm
Go on then. In.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Dm on October 13, 2015, 10:59:35 am
In.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Submachine on October 13, 2015, 11:03:07 am
I wish I could 'In' or 'Snine', but RL doesn't comply. Which is a bummer, because this looks like fun. :/ I'm especially curious about the secret equipments.

Have Fun, to all who's participating!
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: ddevans96 on October 13, 2015, 12:48:59 pm
In :)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Espithel on October 13, 2015, 01:34:43 pm

In
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: worldwideweb3 on October 13, 2015, 02:54:29 pm
In
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: eljoemo on October 15, 2015, 03:08:06 am
24 hours left for any stragglers out there. Also if you have any questions about the rules, now would be the best time to get them sorted out
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: eljoemo on October 16, 2015, 03:02:11 am
PMs will be on there way to you all shortly, hang tight
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: eljoemo on October 16, 2015, 04:03:00 am
Day 1

The guns are loaded. The knives are sharpened. The traps are set. The doors are locked. The hearts are beating. The minds are racing. The palms are sweating. The voices are calling out one word...
MAFIA

Day 1 has ended

NameRoleEquipmentStatus
skyironsword??????Alive
Linkcat??????Alive
Kuroaitou??????Alive
MeowMeowCat??????Alive
UTAlan??????Alive
Ginyu??????Alive
rob77dp??????Alive
kirbylover314??????Alive
flyingcat??????Alive
killsdazombies??????Alive
Zawadx??????Alive
dawn to dusk??????Alive
Coffeeditto??????Alive
mathman101??????Alive
RavingRabbid??????Alive
JonathanCrazyJ??????Alive
Dm??????Alive
ddevans96??????Alive
Espithel??????Alive
worldwideweb3??????Alive

Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Linkcat on October 16, 2015, 04:24:12 am
Espithel (1) - Linkcat

I'm impatient.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: dawn to dusk on October 16, 2015, 04:26:16 am
Espithel (1) - Linkcat
dawn to dusk (1) - dawn to dusk

grar
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Zawadx on October 16, 2015, 04:26:50 am
6 Days for day 1?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: eljoemo on October 16, 2015, 04:29:29 am
6 Days for day 1?

Good catch, fixed
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Espithel on October 16, 2015, 05:15:02 am
Espithel (1) - Linkcat

I'm impatient.

Espithel (1) - Linkcat
dawn to dusk (1) - dawn to dusk
Linkcat (1) - Espithel

You're also really r00d.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Dm on October 16, 2015, 09:12:48 am
Y'know, doing a conga line would make me vote on you and give you 2 votes so you'd just die at the end of the day.

Espithel (1) - Linkcat
dawn to dusk (1) - dawn to dusk
Linkcat (1) - Espithel
Dm (1) - Dm

Still deciding whether I'll play seriously like a team or just do my stuff.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: skyironsword on October 16, 2015, 10:09:49 am
Espithel (1) - Linkcat
dawn to dusk (1) - dawn to dusk
Linkcat (1) - Espithel
Dm (2) - Dm, skyironsword
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on October 16, 2015, 11:05:58 am
Espithel (1) - Linkcat
dawn to dusk (1) - dawn to dusk
Linkcat (1) - Espithel
Dm (2) - Dm, skyironsword
skyironsword (1) - JonathanCrazyJ

I'd like a chance to grab popcorn while Dm decides.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: UTAlan on October 16, 2015, 12:45:35 pm
Espithel (1) - Linkcat
dawn to dusk (1) - dawn to dusk
Linkcat (1) - Espithel
Dm (2) - Dm, skyironsword
skyironsword (1) - JonathanCrazyJ
JonathanCrazyJ (1) - UTAlan

Why? Because we like you.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Dm on October 16, 2015, 02:31:54 pm
@eljoemo -
1. How many weapons/items did each player receive, or is it varied for every people? Feel free to say you can't answer this.
2. Are the "Top Secret Prototypes" also given out more than once like you said the other weapons are, or do they only happen once? Also, if someone were to activate one of these, is there a warning as to what happened and a reveal of what it is since the general public does not know of it? Further on, are Top Secret Prototypes for civilians only or for both civilian and mafia? (This is not stated on the rules and I'm assuming they count as "equipment".)

I think I might play seriously this time around, depends on the answers.

Espithel (1) - Linkcat
dawn to dusk (1) - dawn to dusk
Linkcat (1) - Espithel
Dm (1) - skyironsword
skyironsword (1) - JonathanCrazyJ
JonathanCrazyJ (1) - UTAlan
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: eljoemo on October 16, 2015, 03:06:27 pm
@eljoemo -
1. How many weapons/items did each player receive, or is it varied for every people? Feel free to say you can't answer this.
2. Are the "Top Secret Prototypes" also given out more than once like you said the other weapons are, or do they only happen once? Also, if someone were to activate one of these, is there a warning as to what happened and a reveal of what it is since the general public does not know of it? Further on, are Top Secret Prototypes for civilians only or for both civilian and mafia? (This is not stated on the rules and I'm assuming they count as "equipment".)

Civilians each have 3 pieces of Equipment. Mafia each have 1 unique Weapon and 2 pieces of Equipment. Top Secret Prototypes were distributed as freely as the other Equipment. There will be no warning or notification that a Tpp Secret Prototype has been used. It is possible for Mafia to start with Top Secret Prototypes
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: DoubleCapitals on October 16, 2015, 03:14:31 pm
Do the rules benefit a potential mass roleclaim? E.g: people tell all their equipment names to a confirmed person and if the numbers are not correct with some players, they already have a short list that contains some civvies and all mafia.
I don't know. I'm seeing if I can crack it later.
Meh, this doesn't count as an /in? Oh well, tis alright, I'd like a break from mafia too :P
(http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/1-18-2014/1AMGn0.gif)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: rob77dp on October 16, 2015, 03:20:21 pm
Espithel (1) - Linkcat
dawn to dusk (1) - dawn to dusk
Linkcat (1) - Espithel
Dm (2) - Dm, skyironsword
skyironsword (1) - JonathanCrazyJ
JonathanCrazyJ (1) - UTAlan
No-vote (1) - rob77dp

It is allowed and killing a civilian randomly on day 1 would be bad. Can't we wait until some civilians get to try some equipment out??
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on October 16, 2015, 03:36:44 pm

Espithel (1) - Linkcat
dawn to dusk (1) - dawn to dusk
Linkcat (1) - Espithel
Dm (1) - skyironsword
JonathanCrazyJ (1) - UTAlan
No-vote (1) - rob77dp

Corrected (Dm removed his vote)
I disagree with no vote. Any vote has a chance to kill a mafia, all a no-vote does is mean that kills start on a night phase not a day phase, giving mafia an advantage.
A train where all are tied also counts as a no vote, so I strongly suggest we do not make a conga line. I have removed my vote for now, but will place it at a later point in the day.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: UTAlan on October 16, 2015, 03:53:30 pm
Espithel (1) - Linkcat
dawn to dusk (1) - dawn to dusk
Linkcat (1) - Espithel
Dm (2) - Dm, skyironsword
skyironsword (1) - JonathanCrazyJ
No-vote (2) - rob77dp, UTAlan

I'm generally a fan of No Vote when civvies have no leads, especially Day 1.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Dm on October 16, 2015, 05:15:12 pm
Please, STOP placing my vote back on.
Thank you.

Espithel (1) - Linkcat
dawn to dusk (1) - dawn to dusk
Linkcat (1) - Espithel
Dm (1) - skyironsword
skyironsword (1) - JonathanCrazyJ
No-vote (2) - rob77dp, UTAlan

Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: worldwideweb3 on October 16, 2015, 07:56:05 pm
Espithel (1) - Linkcat
dawn to dusk (1) - dawn to dusk
Linkcat (1) - Espithel
Dm (1) - skyironsword
skyironsword (1) - JonathanCrazyJ
No-vote (2) - rob77dp, UTAlan
No lynch (1) - worldwideweb3

Isnt it meant to be no-lynch and not no vote? Or it doesnt matter? I guess with no info, no lynch seems the best option, but we need to start hunting mafia and killing people after day 1
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: UTAlan on October 16, 2015, 07:57:47 pm
Espithel (1) - Linkcat
dawn to dusk (1) - dawn to dusk
Linkcat (1) - Espithel
Dm (1) - skyironsword
skyironsword (1) - JonathanCrazyJ
No-vote (1) - rob77dp
No lynch (2) - worldwideweb3, UTAlan

Good call. I wasn't paying attention and thought that was what it was >.<
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: rob77dp on October 16, 2015, 08:29:05 pm
General rules #4 stayed out as "'No-vote'" hence my use of no vote. I do not see no lynch mentioned in the rules...?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: UTAlan on October 16, 2015, 08:59:45 pm
I would guess that voting "No Lynch" counts as an actual vote, while voting "No Vote" doesn't.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: eljoemo on October 16, 2015, 09:55:21 pm
Someone sent me a PM asking a pretty important question that wasn't in the rules, so I'll answer it here.

Players will not be notified that they have been targeted by Equipment, unless they use Flashlight (revealing the first Equipment only) or they were targeted by Equipment that altered their remaining Equipment (i.e. they were targeted by Ammo Box, Electromagnet, Supply Crate etc.)



In regards to the whole No-Lynch thing, I view voting for a No-lynch as equivalent to a No-vote, so you can't stop the lynch with it. However,
If the votes are tied at the end of a day phase (including Equipment uses), the lynch will be randomized between those involved, unless all players are tied in which case there will be no lynch.

So if nobody votes (or everybody No-votes) and there are no vote modifiers in effect, there will be no lynch.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: rob77dp on October 16, 2015, 10:59:03 pm
Espithel (1) - Linkcat
dawn to dusk (1) - dawn to dusk
Linkcat (1) - Espithel
Dm (1) - skyironsword
skyironsword (1) - JonathanCrazyJ
No lynch (3) - worldwideweb3, UTAlan, rob77dp
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Dm on October 16, 2015, 11:04:33 pm
Espithel (1) - Linkcat
dawn to dusk (1) - dawn to dusk
Linkcat (1) - Espithel
skyironsword (2) - JonathanCrazyJ, Dm
No lynch (3) - worldwideweb3, UTAlan, rob77dp

Trustme
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Linkcat on October 16, 2015, 11:15:43 pm
Espithel (1) - Linkcat
dawn to dusk (1) - dawn to dusk
Linkcat (1) - Espithel
skyironsword (1) - Dm
No lynch (3) - worldwideweb3, UTAlan, rob77dp

It's not difficult.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Kuroaitou on October 16, 2015, 11:50:39 pm
Espithel (1) - Linkcat
dawn to dusk (1) - dawn to dusk
Linkcat (1) - Espithel
skyironsword (1) - Dm
No lynch (4) - worldwideweb3, UTAlan, rob77dp, Kuroaitou

Linkcat, did jcj want his vote removed? >.>
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: dawn to dusk on October 17, 2015, 12:11:53 am
Ok I'm confused as to why everything

No Lynch only happens if nobody votes, so just stating that and saying "Gaiz don't vote we are pacifists" would suffice correct?

That won't happen anyway because jcj wants to eat someone's dead body

Now nobody is getting the voting totals correct (note that jcj's vote on sky was taken off like ages ago).

Is it that hard to copypasta the most recent vote?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: dawn to dusk on October 17, 2015, 12:12:56 am

Espithel (1) - Linkcat
dawn to dusk (1) - dawn to dusk
Linkcat (1) - Espithel
Dm (1) - skyironsword
JonathanCrazyJ (1) - UTAlan
No-vote (1) - rob77dp

Corrected (Dm removed his vote)
I disagree with no vote. Any vote has a chance to kill a mafia, all a no-vote does is mean that kills start on a night phase not a day phase, giving mafia an advantage.
A train where all are tied also counts as a no vote, so I strongly suggest we do not make a conga line. I have removed my vote for now, but will place it at a later point in the day.
Notice the lack of jcj vote here
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: ddevans96 on October 17, 2015, 05:05:48 am
I disagree with no vote. Any vote has a chance to kill a mafia, all a no-vote does is mean that kills start on a night phase not a day phase, giving mafia an advantage.

On the flipside, any vote has a chance to kill a civilian as well. In the early game, that chance is undeniably higher due to lack of evidence. Just discussing that point.

If Dm didn't state that he might play seriously this time he'd get my vote, for what that's worth - as is I'm going to refrain from voting quite yet.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: 1011686 on October 17, 2015, 08:09:31 am
Im not playing, but could you please explain to me how exactly the blow dart works?
Like, does the target get a message saying that they were hit and cant vote, or does their vote just not count?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Linkcat on October 17, 2015, 09:10:07 am
dawn to dusk (1) - dawn to dusk
Linkcat (1) - Espithel
Dm (2) - skyironsword, Linkcat
skyironsword (1) - Dm
No lynch (3) - worldwideweb3, UTAlan, rob77dp

Nice try, Dm.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Dm on October 17, 2015, 10:23:13 am
Are you really that desperate to lynch someone? You were also the one who started something on Espithel. I even said I'd be playing for real this game.

dawn to dusk (1) - dawn to dusk
Linkcat (2) - Espithel, Dm
Dm (2) - skyironsword, Linkcat
No lynch (3) - worldwideweb3, UTAlan, rob77d
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Linkcat on October 17, 2015, 10:49:13 am
I actually don't want to lynch anyone. My vote on you is for a different reason. My vote on Espithel actually was because I was impatient, and was obviously not a serious vote.

Also you cut off the end of rob's name.

dawn to dusk (1) - dawn to dusk
Linkcat (2) - Espithel, Dm
Dm (2) - skyironsword, Linkcat
No Lynch (3) - worldwideweb3, UTAlan, rob77dp
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: RavingRabbid on October 17, 2015, 10:53:53 am
dawn to dusk (1) - dawn to dusk
Linkcat (2) - Espithel, Dm
Dm (2) - skyironsword, Linkcat
No Lynch (4) - worldwideweb3, UTAlan, rob77dp, RavingRabbid

Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Dm on October 17, 2015, 10:55:27 am
I actually don't want to lynch anyone. My vote on you is for a different reason. My vote on Espithel actually was because I was impatient, and was obviously not a serious vote.

Then elaborate.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Linkcat on October 17, 2015, 11:00:05 am
No.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Dm on October 17, 2015, 11:10:06 am
No.

So let me get this straight:

You are impatient to lynch someone on the first day despite knowing fully well that lynching someone on the first day holds a far larger probability of lynching a Civilian than a Mafia, and then changed your vote to me, saying that you have your "reasons" despite nothing having happened apart from me saying I'd actually be playing this time around and that you haven't used absolutely any skill yet because it's downright impossible and refuse to give clear, well-thought out reasoning to this, still attempting to lynch a possible civilian; knowing full well he's much more likely a Civilian than a Mafia?

There you have it folks. Linkcat is either Mafia, or a Civilian, as should be obvious. But a rather stupid Civilian if you analyze it. Congratulations on your attempts into helping the town, Linkcat!
If you're not removing your vote, then I assume that the best path here would be to lynch you, since there's no other person for us to possibly lynch - because, as we all know, none of us have absolutely any leads.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Linkcat on October 17, 2015, 11:44:01 am
I was impatient for the game to start. I don't want to lynch someone today. Neither of my votes were attempts to lynch someone. I didn't have any actual reasoning to vote on you, but I did have a reason which I can't give because it would be harmful to town. I admit it would be kind of silly to keep my vote on you after stating twice that I don't want to lynch anyone, so I'll remove it.

dawn to dusk (1) - dawn to dusk
Linkcat (2) - Espithel, Dm
Dm (1) - skyironsword
No Lynch (5) - worldwideweb3, UTAlan, rob77dp, RavingRabbid, Linkcat
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Dm on October 17, 2015, 11:51:07 am
I was impatient for the game to start. I don't want to lynch someone today. Neither of my votes were attempts to lynch someone. I didn't have any actual reasoning to vote on you, but I did have a reason which I can't give because it would be harmful to town. I admit it would be kind of silly to keep my vote on you after stating twice that I don't want to lynch anyone, so I'll remove it.

What's your reason?
Nothing you say could be harmful to town because whatever you could've thought of is just a theory. No one has absolutely any actual concrete lead, so you were always in the realm of hypothetics. Something that's not even true is hard to be harmful to town. If you don't want to give your info because it's "harmful" that just makes it look like you're talking with other players since you by yourself cannot have done anything; and playing like a team this early? Again, either stupid, or mafia.

It is not "Kind of silly" my friend.
It is just downright stupid. One of the dumbest moves you could have possibly made.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: skyironsword on October 17, 2015, 01:30:54 pm
dawn to dusk (1) - dawn to dusk
Linkcat (2) - Espithel, Dm
No Lynch (6) - worldwideweb3, UTAlan, rob77dp, RavingRabbid, Linkcat, skyironsword
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Coffeeditto on October 17, 2015, 03:09:39 pm
dawn to dusk (1) - dawn to dusk
Linkcat (2) - Espithel, Dm
No Lynch (6) - worldwideweb3, UTAlan, rob77dp, RavingRabbid, Linkcat, skyironsword, Coffeeditto

Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Espithel on October 17, 2015, 06:35:24 pm
dawn to dusk (1) - dawn to dusk
Linkcat (1) Dm
No Lynch (7) - worldwideweb3, UTAlan, rob77dp, RavingRabbid, Linkcat, skyironsword, Coffeeditto, Espithel
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Dm on October 17, 2015, 06:35:45 pm
dawn to dusk (1) - dawn to dusk
No Lynch (7) - worldwideweb3, UTAlan, rob77dp, RavingRabbid, Linkcat, skyironsword, Coffeeditto, Espithel
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on October 17, 2015, 06:53:34 pm
I re-itterate. No lynch is always harmful to town.

Lynching:
5/20 are mafia. we have a 25% chance to kill mafia, and a 75% chance that the first death will be civvy.

No Lynch:
Someone gets NKed. 100% chance that the first death is civvy.



With that in mind:

(http://i.imgur.com/oyHb33S.png)

6th in the list is Ginyu. Sorry.

dawn to dusk (1) - dawn to dusk
No Lynch (7) - worldwideweb3, UTAlan, rob77dp, RavingRabbid, Linkcat, skyironsword, Coffeeditto, Espithel
Ginyu (1) - JonathanCrazyJ
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: rob77dp on October 17, 2015, 07:22:29 pm
I re-iterate. No lynch is always harmful to town.

Lynching:
5/20 are mafia. we have a 25% chance to kill mafia, and a 75% chance that the first death will be civvy.

No Lynch:
Someone gets NKed. 100% chance that the first death is civvy.





Hmmm, I guess I don't see how the Nk affects how town should vote day one? No lynch our random lynch will still have town losing someone night one, right?

Public random roll day one lynch target however does pique my interest...
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on October 17, 2015, 07:25:24 pm
it's simple from my point of view, either we can have a 25% chance of killing a mafia, or we do nothing and wait to get picked off.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: rob77dp on October 17, 2015, 07:31:38 pm
dawn to dusk (1) - dawn to dusk
No Lynch (6) - worldwideweb3, UTAlan, RavingRabbid, Linkcat, skyironsword, Coffeeditto, Espithel
Ginyu (2) - JonathanCrazyJ, rob77dp

I have decided that the risk of one civvy hit is probably worth the chance of hitting 20% of the total maids count... Random first is random best?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: ddevans96 on October 17, 2015, 07:44:14 pm
I re-itterate. No lynch is always harmful to town.

Lynching:
5/20 are mafia. we have a 25% chance to kill mafia, and a 75% chance that the first death will be civvy.

No Lynch:
Someone gets NKed. 100% chance that the first death is civvy.

Again, I don't agree. The chance of killing a highly useful civilian, either due to abilities or skill, is just as high if not higher than the chance of killing a mafia, ignoring the chance of killing a less useful civilian, which is still an undesirable lynch.

Regarding the first death, a civilian is going to die anyways during the night, regardless of how we vote during the day. The difference is there's a much higher chance of having two dead civilians than one.

No lynch is not definitively harmful to town. It can be, but not always, and I'd argue not usually.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: UTAlan on October 17, 2015, 10:16:02 pm
dawn to dusk (1) - dawn to dusk
No Lynch (6) - worldwideweb3, UTAlan, RavingRabbid, Linkcat, skyironsword, Coffeeditto, Espithel
Ginyu (2) - JonathanCrazyJ, rob77dp
Dm (1) - UTAlan

Trusting someone...and I'm not sure why. We'll see how this plays out.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Linkcat on October 17, 2015, 10:30:58 pm
I re-iterate. No lynch is always harmful to town.

This is false. Along with what dd said, a lynch will give us zero information about anyone else because Ginyu hasn't interacted with anyone. In the lore, this is the exact same as taking out a gun and shooting a random person. It would be pretty shitty if Ginyu didn't get to play just because a dice landed on his number.

Trust me on this one.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: dawn to dusk on October 17, 2015, 10:37:07 pm
I re-itterate. No lynch is always harmful to town.

Lynching:
5/20 are mafia. we have a 25% chance to kill mafia, and a 75% chance that the first death will be civvy.

No Lynch:
Someone gets NKed. 100% chance that the first death is civvy.

Lynching:
5/20 are mafia. We have a 25% chance to kill mafia, and a 75% chance that the first 2 deaths will be civvy

No-Lynch:
Someone gets NKed. 100% chance that the first death is civvy

The NK will happen either way so it's not a matter of the first civvy to die, it's a matter of preserving as many civvies as we can until we get strong leads. And the best way to do that is to not kill someone who has a 75% chance of being civ, but to not kill at all.

Ginyu (2) - JonathanCrazyJ, rob77dp
Dm (1) - UTAlan

There is literally no reason to continue posting the No Lynch train. It goes towards absolutely nothing. Unless you want the voting tallies to look like:
Ginyu (2) - JonathanCrazyJ, rob77dp
Dm (1) - UTAlan
No Lynch (17) - skyironsword, Linkcat, Kuroaitou, MeowMeowCat, Ginyu, kirbylover314, flyingcat, killsdazombies, Zawadx, dawn to dusk, Coffeeditto, mathman101, RavingRabbid, Dm, ddevans96, Espithel, worldwideweb3

No lynch only happens if nobody votes. Again, that won't happen because jcj is hungry.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Submachine on October 17, 2015, 10:53:27 pm
No lynch only happens if nobody votes. Again, that won't happen because jcj is hungry.
~ghostly whisper~: No lynch also happens in case of a major tie.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on October 17, 2015, 10:55:29 pm
Fine.
I still disagree, but let it not be said democracy is dead in Mafia.

No Lynch (7) - worldwideweb3, UTAlan, RavingRabbid, Linkcat, skyironsword, Coffeeditto, Espithel, JonathanCrazyJ
Ginyu (1) - rob77dp
Dm (1) - UTAlan

I'm a little confused by the lynch totals, I think this is correct.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: dawn to dusk on October 17, 2015, 10:58:37 pm
No lynch only happens if nobody votes. Again, that won't happen because jcj is hungry.
~ghostly whisper~: No lynch also happens in case of a major tie.
Doesn't justify the need for the train

Again, why the frack is that train a thing??? There is seriously no point to it and it is starting to annoy me how people decide it's a good idea to make a vote train designated to people who aren't voting

The voting totals, if you are that intent on that train are:
Ginyu (2) - rob77dp
Dm (1) - UTAlan
No Lynch (17) - skyironsword, Linkcat, Kuroaitou, MeowMeowCat, Ginyu, kirbylover314, flyingcat, killsdazombies, Zawadx, dawn to dusk, Coffeeditto, mathman101, RavingRabbid, Dm, ddevans96, Espithel, worldwideweb3, JonathanCrazyJ
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: dawn to dusk on October 17, 2015, 10:58:58 pm
Ginyu (1) - rob77dp
Dm (1) - UTAlan
No Lynch (17) - skyironsword, Linkcat, Kuroaitou, MeowMeowCat, Ginyu, kirbylover314, flyingcat, killsdazombies, Zawadx, dawn to dusk, Coffeeditto, mathman101, RavingRabbid, Dm, ddevans96, Espithel, worldwideweb3, JonathanCrazyJ

numbers suck
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on October 17, 2015, 11:02:11 pm
No Lynch (7) - worldwideweb3, UTAlan, RavingRabbid, Linkcat, skyironsword, Coffeeditto, Espithel, JonathanCrazyJ
Ginyu (1) - rob77dp
Dm (1) - UTAlan

Going on a "no-lynch" train signifies to your fellow townies that that is your CHOICE and your vote for the day.
"I vote that we do not lynch anyone"

Just posting nothing means you have not conveyed your opinion on the best thing to do.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: eljoemo on October 17, 2015, 11:03:14 pm
Im not playing, but could you please explain to me how exactly the blow dart works?
Like, does the target get a message saying that they were hit and cant vote, or does their vote just not count?

The target is not notified and votes as normal. The user of the blow dart can PM at any point before the end of the day of the new target. Once the day ends, I ignore the target's original vote and add on the new vote (which has double value). The target then dies, along with the lynch victim.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: dawn to dusk on October 17, 2015, 11:03:44 pm
I do not intend to vote on someone this day phase

there
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Espithel on October 17, 2015, 11:06:04 pm
Going on a "no-lynch" train signifies to your fellow townies that that is your CHOICE and your vote for the day.
"I vote that we do not lynch anyone"

Just posting nothing means you have not conveyed your opinion on the best thing to do.

More importantly:
No lynch is a vote. If the majority vote for no lynching, no lynch happens.
Abstaining is not. If the majority abstains, the minority gets a lynch, regardless of how many people do not vote.

That is why it needs a train; Voting for no lynch is not not voting and are mechanically different.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: dawn to dusk on October 17, 2015, 11:09:22 pm
In regards to the whole No-Lynch thing, I view voting for a No-lynch as equivalent to a No-vote, so you can't stop the lynch with it. However,
If the votes are tied at the end of a day phase (including Equipment uses), the lynch will be randomized between those involved, unless all players are tied in which case there will be no lynch.

So if nobody votes (or everybody No-votes) and there are no vote modifiers in effect, there will be no lynch.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Espithel on October 17, 2015, 11:11:30 pm
...Nevermind.

No lynch and no vote SHOULD be mechanically different.

Silly eljoe. >:U
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Linkcat on October 17, 2015, 11:13:16 pm
Voting No Lynch allows you to abstain for two days without getting modkilled.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on October 17, 2015, 11:15:58 pm
Voting No Lynch allows you to abstain for two days without getting modkilled.

Quote
4.   No player may do the 'No-Vote'/AFK for THREE consecutive days without a viable reason. Holidays, funerals, etc count as viable reasons.

Nope. Still counts as not voting
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Linkcat on October 17, 2015, 11:18:39 pm
It is unclear what exactly is meant by 'No-Vote'. We need the host to clarify.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Ginyu on October 17, 2015, 11:28:17 pm
In regards to the whole No-Lynch thing, I view voting for a No-lynch as equivalent to a No-vote, so you can't stop the lynch with it.

Also, not voting.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Dm on October 17, 2015, 11:38:07 pm
Ginyu (2) - rob77dp, Dm
Dm (1) - UTAlan

If someone votes on me because of this, I'll come out, reveal all my equipment, vote on myself, and suicide.

Good day.

You all should be NOT VOTING.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Ginyu on October 17, 2015, 11:45:34 pm
Do you know, if everyone equals on votes, there won't be any kills?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Dm on October 17, 2015, 11:57:00 pm
Didn't eljo say, "if all votes are tied there will occur a randomization"? On th other hand he ALSO said "if all votes are tied there will be no lynch".
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Ginyu on October 17, 2015, 11:59:59 pm
Rules, last clause:

Quote
If the votes are tied at the end of a day phase (including Equipment uses), the lynch will be randomized between those involved, unless all players are tied in which case there will be no lynch.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Dm on October 18, 2015, 12:07:35 am
That feels awkward; this means if someone voted (2) on us respectively and someone else had a (1) then we would be randomized, but otherwise, we'd all be safe. The rules feel contradicting, but I guess I'll take it.

Ginyu (1) - rob77dp
Dm (1) - UTAlan
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Linkcat on October 18, 2015, 12:52:58 am
I'm pretty sure by all players he means all alive players.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Dm on October 18, 2015, 12:57:22 am
Requesting clarification, @eljoemo

Also, a small hours extension so that we can decide how to vote depending on your answer (it'll definitely affect my vote.)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: eljoemo on October 18, 2015, 01:12:26 am
What Linkcat said, every living player needs to have the same vote total in order for there to not be a lynch.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Dm on October 18, 2015, 01:19:53 am
Politely requesting both rob and UTA to remove their votes, OR provide decent, well-thought out reasoning for it.

Also, I guess I'll attempt to save my rear until rob and UTA show up.

Ginyu (2) - rob77dp, Dm
Dm (1) - UTAlan
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Ginyu on October 18, 2015, 01:24:43 am
Ginyu (2) - rob77dp, Dm
Dm (2) - UTAlan, Ginyu

Also politely requesting to both rob and UTA: Please remove your votes. (I can't really think of any decent reasoning to lynch someone at this time, but feel free to prove me wrong.)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: UTAlan on October 18, 2015, 01:58:15 am
Ginyu (1) - rob77dp
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Ginyu on October 18, 2015, 02:13:48 am
Ginyu (2) - rob77dp, Dm
Dm (1) - Ginyu

Fixed.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Espithel on October 18, 2015, 02:15:36 am
Ginyu (2) - rob77dp, Dm
Dm (2) - Ginyu, Espithel

Fixed.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Zawadx on October 18, 2015, 02:58:20 am
In regards to the whole No-Lynch thing, I view voting for a No-lynch as equivalent to a No-vote, so you can't stop the lynch with it. However,
If the votes are tied at the end of a day phase (including Equipment uses), the lynch will be randomized between those involved, unless all players are tied in which case there will be no lynch.

So if nobody votes (or everybody No-votes) and there are no vote modifiers in effect, there will be no lynch.

Does 'all players' refer to ALL participating players? Or people with votes on them?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Linkcat on October 18, 2015, 02:58:29 am
I'm sorry Ginyu, I really tried to save you.

Ginyu (3) - rob77dp, Dm, Linkcat
Dm (2) - Ginyu, Espithel
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Espithel on October 18, 2015, 02:59:04 am
I'd just like to point out, that with this post, I could've been a giant arse and singlehandedly swayed the voting in any direction I want. Technically, I did.

This is an extremely easy to abuse and extremely mafia-friendly thing to allow happen.
If nothing else, if we can't make a wagon on the No-Lynch, Lynch someone else to oblivion every day. It'll prevent some potential bullcrap.

I don't like having this much power. Please don't give imbeciles this much power.

K.
Thanks. :D

Preemptive edit:

See. Case in point.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Linkcat on October 18, 2015, 02:59:42 am
Zawa, that's already been answered.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Zawadx on October 18, 2015, 02:59:59 am
er, I should read before asking questions I guess
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: eljoemo on October 18, 2015, 03:02:37 am
Because I am a merciful God, you may have extra time to clear up your dispute. You have until I finish Jurassic World
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Solaris on October 18, 2015, 03:06:14 am
Because I am a merciful God, you may have extra time to clear up your dispute. You have until I finish Jurassic World
Good movie. Enjoy.

I am unsure why we are trying to lynch someone day one with... 0 info. Is it just a grudge lynch?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Linkcat on October 18, 2015, 03:06:34 am
Let's hope rob comes on by then.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Ginyu on October 18, 2015, 03:07:08 am
Ginyu (3) - rob77dp, Dm, Linkcat
Dm (1) - Espithel
Linkcat (1) - Ginyu

I didn't intend to kill Dm anyway as my voting was mainly for defense, but a last-minute-vote with a poor reasoning looks scummy enough for me, unless something better will be brought up.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Coffeeditto on October 18, 2015, 03:07:53 am
Thank you, eljoemo-san! Here's to people getting eaten by a bunch of dinosaurs.

Ginyu (4) - rob77dp, Dm, Linkcat, Coffeeditto
Dm (1) - Espithel
Linkcat (1) - Ginyu
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Ginyu on October 18, 2015, 03:08:48 am
Seriously, why me?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Linkcat on October 18, 2015, 03:12:28 am
I only voted on you because I have a reason to keep Dm alive. I really tried to avoid a lynch today.

Ginyu (2) - rob77dp, Dm
Dm (1) - Espithel
Linkcat (1) - Ginyu
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Espithel on October 18, 2015, 03:19:29 am
Ginyu (3) - rob77dp, Dm, Coffee
Linkcat (2) - Ginyu, Espithel

Consider Dm well and truly alive, you jerk.
Although, I suppose, it's coffee that's the real jerk here.
In fact, throw me in too. A triad of jerks.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Linkcat on October 18, 2015, 03:21:14 am
I don't know how you can possibly read my attempted snipe as scummy. There was literally no way for me to stop a lynch at that point, so I chose to save the person I wanted alive more.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Espithel on October 18, 2015, 03:23:25 am
I don't know how you can possibly read my attempted snipe as scummy. There was literally no way for me to stop a lynch at that point, so I chose to save the person I wanted alive more.

Not scummy.
Just mean.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Coffeeditto on October 18, 2015, 03:25:41 am
I love everyone.

...That's besides the point; If we're lynching someone, I'd like to lynch the person who townreads less. So, Ginyu~
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Ginyu on October 18, 2015, 03:30:30 am
Someone who suggested not killing anyone without evidence on Day 1 isn't "townread"? But someone who isn't even sure if he'll play seriously or not, and was about to just suicide if he got a vote at one point, is trustworthy?

Oh my.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Espithel on October 18, 2015, 03:37:32 am
And this even implies that you can townread on day one.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Linkcat on October 18, 2015, 03:40:19 am
You can. Especially on a Day 1 as eventful as this.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Ginyu on October 18, 2015, 03:46:34 am
So, to sum this up.

Linkcat's sniper is still weird, but he may have reasons for it if he talked to Dm.
Coffee's vote and explanation are far away from any rationality, so he is either mafia or useless town. Please kill soon.

I still have no idea what makes me look scummy...
Well, I am open for switching votes again, if someone feels to go with me. I will stay here until eljo lets the night start.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: rob77dp on October 18, 2015, 03:49:06 am
Here!! On my phone five me a few minutes to make a vote change?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: rob77dp on October 18, 2015, 03:51:18 am
Ginyu (3) - Dm, Coffee
Linkcat (2) - Ginyu, Espithel

I think I grabbed the latest votes to edit but if I am wrong someone on PC please correct my vote to absent (nothing).
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Espithel on October 18, 2015, 03:52:35 am
Ginyu (2) - Dm, Coffeeditto
Linkcat (2) - Ginyu, Espithel

Forgot to change Ginyu's 3 to a 2.

Slightly disappointed but I approve.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Coffeeditto on October 18, 2015, 04:24:56 am
Ginyu (2) - Dm
Linkcat (2) - Ginyu, Espithel

So, to sum this up.

Linkcat's sniper is still weird, but he may have reasons for it if he talked to Dm.
Coffee's vote and explanation are far away from any rationality, so he is either mafia or useless town. Please kill soon.

I still have no idea what makes me look scummy...
Well, I am open for switching votes again, if someone feels to go with me. I will stay here until eljo lets the night start.

Ow. That hurts.
Anyway, I townread Dm more than you because he provided rationality in response to Linkcat's escapades.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Coffeeditto on October 18, 2015, 04:26:50 am
Ginyu (1) - Dm
Linkcat (2) - Ginyu, Espithel

EBWOP
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Ginyu on October 18, 2015, 04:40:27 am
Ok, it is too late to stay up longer (don't worry, I had to stay up anyway).
eljoemo, in case my vote is the only one remaining when you update, please count it as "no-lynch", if possible. Thank you.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: eljoemo on October 18, 2015, 04:50:02 am
The day is now officially over. If you'll give me a moment, I'll get everything up and pretty (but Linkcat died, rip).
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Linkcat on October 18, 2015, 04:53:29 am
That's bullshit. We should at least get a warning.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: eljoemo on October 18, 2015, 04:55:33 am
Fiiiiiiiiiiine. How much of a warning do you want?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Linkcat on October 18, 2015, 04:56:24 am
10 minutes.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: eljoemo on October 18, 2015, 04:59:12 am
You heard the man, in 10 minutes the ship leaves
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Linkcat on October 18, 2015, 05:05:13 am
Me and Espithel have agreed to set aside our differences and kill Coffee.

Ginyu (1) - Dm
Linkcat (2) - Ginyu, Espithel
Coffeeditto (1) - Linkcat
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Espithel on October 18, 2015, 05:05:48 am
Me and Espithel have agreed to set aside our differences and kill Coffee.

Ginyu (1) - Dm
Linkcat (2) - Ginyu, Espithel
Coffeeditto (1) - Linkcat

This deal was made by us to save Link's hide.

Ginyu (1) - Dm
Linkcat (1) - Ginyu
Coffeeditto (2) - Linkcat, Espithel
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: skyironsword on October 18, 2015, 05:11:10 am
So how was the movie?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: eljoemo on October 18, 2015, 05:14:53 am
"So it's decided then. We kill Linkcat!" The crowd chattered in agreement and turned to look at Linkcat, stood frightfully to one side. As one, they slowly moved over to him. "Guys?" Linkcat pleaded as he backed up against the wall. Someone passed a knife to the front of the mob, as they continued stalking forwards. Linkcat slid along the wall into the corner, "Guys!" The wall of bodies moved closer, blocking him in. The one with the knife held it up to Linkcat's throat. "GUYS PLEASE STOP!" he yelled as he closed his eyes.

Then he opened them. The knife still rested against his throat. The crowd stood still, their looks of malice replaced by one's of confusion and awkwardness. Linkcat panted heavily, "Y-you... stopped???"
"Well you did ask nicely," one voice called out.
"But we've still got to kill someone, right?" A unanimous murmur passed through the group. "Who do you think we should kill?" Linkcat's eyes darted between the faces in the crowd. "Err... We could kill, er, that guy?"
"Who? Me? Or him?"
"I think he might have meant her."
"He said 'guy', of course he didn't mean her."
"Well who did he mean then?"
"JUST KILL ANYONE I DON'T CARE!" Linkcat screamed. The crowd stared blankly at him. "Anyone but me." He added.



Coffeeditto has been lynched.
He was a Civilian. He was carrying a Defibrillator, an Ammo Box, and a Combat Knife.


Night 1


Night 1 has ended

NameRoleEquipmentStatus
skyironsword??????Alive
Linkcat??????Alive
Kuroaitou??????Alive
MeowMeowCat??????Alive
UTAlan??????Alive
Ginyu??????Alive
rob77dp??????Alive
kirbylover314??????Alive
flyingcat??????Alive
killsdazombies??????Alive
Zawadx??????Alive
dawn to dusk??????Alive
mathman101??????Alive
RavingRabbid??????Alive
JonathanCrazyJ??????Alive
Dm??????Alive
ddevans96??????Alive
Espithel??????Alive
worldwideweb3??????Alive
CoffeedittoCivilianDefibrillator, Ammo Box, Combat KnifeLynched D1



Seeing as people are going to see this, I'll take the time to clear some things up. This list might grow if I remember new stuff.

- In this mafia, voting for a "No Vote" and voting for a "No Lynch" are both equivalent to not voting. Any vote which isn't on a currently alive player, is it not a legitimate vote.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: eljoemo on October 20, 2015, 03:03:49 am
"Hey, wake up." Zawadx slowly opened his eyes to see a face leaning over him. "Huh?" he asked groggily. "I found something weird, I need you to take a look at it with me." Zawadx sat up, still trying to fully rouse himself. "Me?" he questioned. "Yeah, you. Just hurry up and follow me." Zawadx rose and clumsily made his way through the darkness. They stopped outside a closed door. "It's in there." Zawadx waited a second for his companion to take point, then gave a sigh as he opened the door. He stepped cautiously through, trying to find some sign of anything out of place. "What am I suppo-" The door slammed shut and a bolt slid across on the other side. Zawadx ran back and banged on the door. "Hey! What the hell?!"
"They won't hear you. We've made sure of that." a sinister voice called out. A figure stepped out of the shadows. It was him, the crazy one. Zawadx frantically scanned the room: no way out, nothing he could use as a weapon. "Now we can do this the easy way," he paused for a moment and cracked his knuckles with a cold smile, "or the hard way..."



Zawadx has been night killed.
He was a Civilian. He was carrying a Signal Jammer, a Barricade, and a Flashlight.


Day 2


Day 2 has ended

NameRoleEquipmentStatus
skyironsword??????Alive
Linkcat??????Alive
Kuroaitou??????Alive
MeowMeowCat??????Alive
UTAlan??????Alive
Ginyu??????Alive
rob77dp??????Alive
kirbylover314??????Alive
flyingcat??????Alive
killsdazombies??????Alive
dawn to dusk??????Alive
mathman101??????Alive
RavingRabbid??????Alive
JonathanCrazyJ??????Alive
Dm??????Alive
ddevans96??????Alive
Espithel??????Alive
worldwideweb3??????Alive
ZawadxCivilianSignal Jammer, Barricade, FlashlightNightkilled N1
CoffeedittoCivilianDefibrillator, Ammo Box, Combat KnifeLynched D1
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Dm on October 20, 2015, 03:06:54 am
That's bullshit. We should at least get a warning.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Espithel on October 20, 2015, 03:08:15 am
Well.
To those that want to say that what me and Link did was unethical...
Not only are you all completely, 100%, absolutely correct about it, but I wouldn't mind being lynched for it if you really, really want it to. No. I'm not even going to try and defend myself. What we did was bullshit to the highest standard, and my non-justifications for it make 0 sense.

Now, I know a few of you have... Some interesting leads that you'll want to discuss. I know Dm has one at least, about UTA, but until they present it:

Linkcat (1) - Espithel

I need to right my wrongs.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: rob77dp on October 20, 2015, 03:11:56 am
Linkcat (1) - Espithel, rob77dp

Randomized placeholder for me until evidence is presented and weighted and countered etc...

(http://i.imgur.com/4imyp2f.png?1)
-- Applied to the order of names in eljoemo's end-of-night-1 post (where dead players are all at the end so random die roll can be set to never hit a dead player).
(Yes, I randomized Linkcat who is the same target presented already by Espithel for various reasons and very-much-non-reason.)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: eljoemo on October 20, 2015, 03:16:11 am
That's bullshit. We should at least get a warning.

I will freely admit I made a mistake. I should have given a warning for the day ending before posting it was over, like Linkcat said. But I didn't, I messed up. I fully acknowledge that. I have apologized to Coffee and hopefully made my peace with him. I'm afraid all I can give you is an apology and a promise that it won't happen again.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Kuroaitou on October 20, 2015, 03:23:38 am
That's bullshit. We should at least get a warning.

I will freely admit I made a mistake. I should have given a warning for the day ending before posting it was over, like Linkcat said. But I didn't, I messed up. I fully acknowledge that. I have apologized to Coffee and hopefully made my peace with him. I'm afraid all I can give you is an apology and a promise that it won't happen again.

No worries really eljoemo. I probably should have stepped in sooner regarding what happened...

Actually, let me just make something clear.

Moderator Comment MODERATOR NOTE: eljoemo, you do not need to apologize for any more 'deadline cuts' that you make - and likewise, you don't necessarily need to warn people about the day ending necessarily, as a person's activity should be the determinant in these matters. It is not your fault for giving a set deadline and abiding by it, and those who wish for 'future' extensions of any sort should be denied unless given adequate reasoning. As FGO, I would like this game to have no more extensions, to promote both fair play and allow future games to be hosted on a timely schedule. Thank you.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: ddevans96 on October 20, 2015, 04:06:18 am
Linkcat (3) - Espithel, rob77dp, ddevans96

While what was done isn't against the rules, I dislike it enough for this to at least be a comfortable placeholder, if not my final vote this round.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Dm on October 20, 2015, 04:36:43 am
Well, let's go for some stuff first:

@UTAlan - So, someone somehow convinced you of voting on me, for reasons that are yet unclear. I'm just very curious about the following :

1. Who was it? I don't know if you realize, but whoever it was managed to make it so you voted on me; so on the surface, the only issue me or anyone would ever have is with you, which makes you get all the attention and not him or her. This is a pretty scummy move to make with someone you plan to get the trust of.
2. What were the reasons given? I'm curious as to what exactly was presented to you for you to be convinced and trusting enough to vote on me. I'm really curious in what kind of rational, reasonable conversation would potentially denote someone as a mafia target from Day 1 with any form of certainty.

@Everyone else who did not vote or even post during day 1 (mathman, Kuro, etc):

Why so quiet? This is more of a detriment to town than anything else. I understand you may not have anything to say, but showing us you're alive and even saying something simple as "Yeah no lynch is prolly better" is a much better thing than not showing up at all. Flying too low under the radar is suspicious, even more so on this forum.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: dawn to dusk on October 20, 2015, 06:30:18 am
Linkcat (4) - Espithel, rob77dp, ddevans96, dawn to dusk

I would vote for that dayn to dank guy, he's pretty shady after all, but idk

Placeholders are fun
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Linkcat on October 20, 2015, 06:42:29 am
I'm going to explain my actions now. Please read what I have to say and think about it logically.

Eljoemo extended the day at 2 minutes past the hour. I looked up the run-time for Jurassic World and it's 2h 4m. Eljoemo stayed online so I couldn't use that as a warning. I figured I had at least until the hour mark. I wanted to wait as long as I could to give Dm a chance to show up. At about 15 minutes before the hour I started talking to Espithel to try and get him to lynch someone else. Eljoemo suddenly declared without warning that I was dead at 10 minutes before the hour. It was a total surprise. If Espithel and I had had a drawn out discussion and eljoemo ended the day at the hour mark, I would not have had a problem with it. The issue I had was that the day ended at a time that could not have been reasonably expected. I was obviously upset, and I asked him nicely to reconsider. He agreed and the day continued.

Now we come to the lynch. I asked Espithel who he wanted to kill. I would have agreed to anyone. He put up Coffee's name and we lynched him. On Day 1, the only person that you know is town is yourself, so from that position the best thing you can do for town is to not let that person be lynched. If someone does everything they can to prevent themselves from being lynched, they are either doing or pretending to be doing what they think is best for town, so you cannot read them as mafia for that. If you want to lynch me or Espithel just because you think what we did was unethical, which it absolutely was not, then that's just bad play. The only reason it even happened at the end of the day was because I waited as long as possible to avoid a lynch.

On the subject of who we should lynch, I want to ask JCJ a question. Last mafia, you were the second person to vote No Lynch on Day 1. This mafia you strongly believe a random lynch is helpful to town. Why?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: ddevans96 on October 20, 2015, 07:22:30 am
I don't think it's unethical, actually, it's entirely within the rules. Mafia is a game of manipulation at its core. That being said, something about the way you did it sets me off. I don't feel like you needed to wait until the last possible seconds to do it in the first place, and in fact doing so makes it seem even more suspicious to me.

Actually, the fact that Espi is so ready to lynch you is even more concerning to me. I think we'd get more insight out of the situation from lynching you, however, given that you appear to be the orchestrator. But as I said, you are just a placeholder right now, given that I didn't vote last round. You're just a better placeholder than a random vote.

All that said, I'm eager to see UT and jcj give their responses.

PS: eljoemo, please don't end phases early in the future, to avoid similar siuations.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Espithel on October 20, 2015, 07:51:54 am
Actually, the fact that Espi is so ready to lynch you is even more concerning to me.

I was even more ready to lynch Link before eljoe did the 10 minute extention.I tried to delay the conversation, try and make it sound like there's a little bit of hope but be slow about it until eljo ended the day and killed Link. I didn't declare I wanted to lynch him outright simply because then he'd do a 50/50 tie, which might not kill him. I went into that deal trying to get Link lynched.

Then the extension happened, and I don't know how, but somehow I completely forgot the entirety of what I was trying to do in that conversation. I think my reasoning was to do with Coffee somehow being... "Just as bad as Link", and this deal putting a lot of pressure on him on the next (this) day... But that's no where near valid enough. Mainly because the gruff I had against Coffee, Link had in 1000 spades.

I must've realised just how much power I had at that moment, and... Lost sight of myself. And in all of this, I didn't even get Link to roleclaim. That's the truly sad bit - I could've, at least, whilst I had his entire fate in my hand, learnt his equipment. That would've been smart of me.

But, put short, if you think there's some special reason I tried to keep Link alive... It's because I'm dumb. There isn't any.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Linkcat on October 20, 2015, 09:07:07 am
@dd
As I said, I was waiting to see if Dm came back. I started talking with Espithel 15 minutes before my earliest estimate of the day ending. After the extension, we got our deal done in 6 minutes, and there were 9 minutes between Espithel's post and the end of the day.
Calling me an orchestrator is exaggerating a bit. All I did was tell Espithel we could lynch whoever he wanted.

@Espithel
If you had asked me what my Equipment was I would have told you I have three Ammo Boxes.
What exactly do I have in 1000 spades? You never actually said why you wanted to lynch me.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: skyironsword on October 20, 2015, 09:46:47 am
Linkcat (4) - Espithel, rob77dp, ddevans96, dawn to dusk
Dm (1) - skyironsword

This time, I have a reason
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Linkcat on October 20, 2015, 10:55:02 am
I forgot to ask. Does anyone know if a Signal Jammer was used last night?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on October 20, 2015, 10:59:11 am
On the subject of who we should lynch, I want to ask JCJ a question. Last mafia, you were the second person to vote No Lynch on Day 1. This mafia you strongly believe a random lynch is helpful to town. Why?

Link: Quite simply, I have never played mafia before my first one on this forum. I am continually learning.
Someone (I forget who) explained the probability side of things to me last mafia, and I revised my position having learnt more.

Everyone: I don't think what Linkcat did was suspicious at all, and I think it's slightly pointless to go after him for doing what literally anyone else who cared about dying would have done. It's an unfortunate turn of events, but hardly a scum-tell in my book.

Sky: Any reasons we can hear?

Eljoe: That's the best god-damn lore I have ever read. Awesome.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: skyironsword on October 20, 2015, 11:16:50 am
Sky: Any reasons we can hear?
Dm's mafia.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Dm on October 20, 2015, 11:22:48 am
Sky: Any reasons we can hear?
Dm's mafia.
True
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on October 20, 2015, 11:22:57 am
Linkcat (4) - Espithel, rob77dp, ddevans96, dawn to dusk
Dm (2) - skyironsword, JonathanCrazyJ

Good enough for me. Such a strong assertion, Scum wouldn't do that.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: rob77dp on October 20, 2015, 01:32:00 pm
I forgot to ask. Does anyone know if a Signal Jammer was used last night?

None used.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: rob77dp on October 20, 2015, 01:34:08 pm
Linkcat (3) - Espithel, ddevans96, dawn to dusk
Dm (3) - skyironsword, JonathanCrazyJ, rob77dp

Forgot to include a vote in my previous post...

-- If Dm flips town I'll be strongly inclined to lynch sky...
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Dm on October 20, 2015, 01:45:54 pm
[09:21:21] ‹skyironsword› ‹@JonathanCrazyJ› Vote Dm or die
[09:23:09] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› ‹@skyironsword› lol
[09:23:53] ‹skyironsword› No, seriously, I will defibrillate you if you don't vote on Dm

Yep, guys

THIS is the person you're following on mob vote today

But hey, your choice. I don't need to defend myself further. I'll just say it again - Sky is, as UTA was, blindly trusting "someone" (whom she claims to be an agent despite there's no way they could've gotten that proof right now anyway) and voting on me (again, as someone requested UTA to on day 1.)

If you all want to go ahead and vote on me, that's fine, go ahead and vote on me. I'd just like everyone to still answer all my questions because it'll be vital for the survival of town.

Also, if you plan on lynching me anyway, then I'd suggest making both Sky and UTA say the name of whoever they got their info out of, because accusing someone of Mafia this early on... that's not the smartest of moves, but 'ey. Creates town fighting, which is all that mafia would enjoy.

And keep an eye out on Linkcat and JCJ, too. JCJ is playing out of character, Linkcat just did annoying bullshit which would usually net him a death anyway.

If the day is about to end and I'm going to die, I'll just post all my information and equipment here.

Good day!
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Ginyu on October 20, 2015, 01:50:51 pm
Quote
[15:40:42] ‹skyironsword› Seriously, if I'm lying, you can just lynch me and/or the Agent

Well, I think we can't lose much here. sky seems to be sure, so the chance of getting a mafia today or tomorrow (if he lies) is very high. There doesn't seem to be equipment to avoid being lynched (unless top secret equipment can do it), and confirming yourself as mafia so early is dumb anyway.

The possibility of knowing who is mafia is possible today, when the agent used "Bugged Microphone". It is still a thing to question how that player could know it yesterday telling UTA, and if UTA and sky are actually in contact with the same person or not. If there is really an agent out there, his name shouldn't show up btw, as him being NK'ed would screw us hard.

Linkcat (3) - Espithel, ddevans96, dawn to dusk
Dm (4) - skyironsword, JonathanCrazyJ, rob77dp, Ginyu

So far, up to change.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Dm on October 20, 2015, 01:55:41 pm
Quote
The possibility of knowing who is mafia is possible today, when the agent used "Bugged Microphone". It is still a thing to question how that player could know it yesterday telling UTA, and if UTA and sky are actually in contact with the same person or not. If there is really an agent out there, his name shouldn't show up btw, as him being NK'ed would screw us hard.

Yeah, and Sky has 100% certainty that he's the agent because....?

Oh wait.

Sky does not have 100% certainty that that someone is the agent.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: UTAlan on October 20, 2015, 02:58:29 pm
*sigh* I should no better than to trust anyone who isn't 100% confirmed in mafia. It always leads to bad things, even if they aren't necessarily mafia. So, to address your questions, I won't say who it was. At this point, it's moot. The gist was that I was supposed to vote on you during D1, but not let you get lynched. It had to do with equipment, I believe. But that equipment is no longer relevant, so for the time being my vote will not be affected by it.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Solaris on October 20, 2015, 05:42:15 pm
Linkcat (3) - Espithel, ddevans96, dawn to dusk
Dm (5) - skyironsword, JonathanCrazyJ, rob77dp, Ginyu, MeowMeowCat
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: worldwideweb3 on October 20, 2015, 08:07:01 pm
Why are we going for dm when there is no evidence apart from someone claiming he is mafia without proof.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Solaris on October 20, 2015, 08:09:04 pm
Why are we going for dm when there is no evidence apart from someone claiming he is mafia without proof.
I mean, if you have a better lynch target, then speak
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Dm on October 20, 2015, 08:39:07 pm
Why are we going for dm when there is no evidence apart from someone claiming he is mafia without proof.
I mean, if you have a better lynch target, then speak

Well, let's go for some stuff first:

@UTAlan - So, someone somehow convinced you of voting on me, for reasons that are yet unclear. I'm just very curious about the following :

1. Who was it? I don't know if you realize, but whoever it was managed to make it so you voted on me; so on the surface, the only issue me or anyone would ever have is with you, which makes you get all the attention and not him or her. This is a pretty scummy move to make with someone you plan to get the trust of.
2. What were the reasons given? I'm curious as to what exactly was presented to you for you to be convinced and trusting enough to vote on me. I'm really curious in what kind of rational, reasonable conversation would potentially denote someone as a mafia target from Day 1 with any form of certainty.

@Everyone else who did not vote or even post during day 1 (mathman, Kuro, etc):

Why so quiet? This is more of a detriment to town than anything else. I understand you may not have anything to say, but showing us you're alive and even saying something simple as "Yeah no lynch is prolly better" is a much better thing than not showing up at all. Flying too low under the radar is suspicious, even more so on this forum.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: ddevans96 on October 20, 2015, 08:50:44 pm
*sigh* I should no better than to trust anyone who isn't 100% confirmed in mafia. It always leads to bad things, even if they aren't necessarily mafia. So, to address your questions, I won't say who it was. At this point, it's moot. The gist was that I was supposed to vote on you during D1, but not let you get lynched. It had to do with equipment, I believe. But that equipment is no longer relevant, so for the time being my vote will not be affected by it.

sky contacted me with similar requests. Is she the person who contacted you, or no?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: UTAlan on October 20, 2015, 08:58:34 pm
sky contacted me with similar requests. Is she the person who contacted you, or no?

Yes.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: worldwideweb3 on October 20, 2015, 09:42:56 pm

Linkcat (3) - Espithel, ddevans96, dawn to dusk
Dm (5) - skyironsword, JonathanCrazyJ, rob77dp, Ginyu, MeowMeowCat
kirbylover314 (1) - worldwideweb3

Dm and Link both seem civvies to me. Have a feeling on kirby, nothing concrete though.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: killsdazombies on October 20, 2015, 09:46:06 pm


Linkcat (3) - Espithel, ddevans96, dawn to dusk
Dm (6) - skyironsword, JonathanCrazyJ, rob77dp, Ginyu, MeowMeowCat, killsdazombies
kirbylover314 (1) - worldwideweb3
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: rob77dp on October 20, 2015, 09:48:43 pm
sky contacted me with similar requests. Is she the person who contacted you, or no?

Yes.

+1.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: kirbylover314 on October 20, 2015, 11:27:10 pm
Linkcat (3) - Espithel, ddevans96, dawn to dusk
Dm (7) - skyironsword, JonathanCrazyJ, rob77dp, Ginyu, MeowMeowCat, killsdazombies, kirbylover314
kirbylover314 (1) - worldwideweb3

choo choo or something
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Linkcat on October 20, 2015, 11:59:43 pm
We are almost guaranteed a mafia. Easy lynch.

Linkcat (3) - Espithel, ddevans96, dawn to dusk
Dm (8) - skyironsword, JonathanCrazyJ, rob77dp, Ginyu, MeowMeowCat, Linkcat, kirbylover314, Linkcat
kirbylover314 (1) - worldwideweb3
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Linkcat on October 21, 2015, 12:10:31 am
Sorry guys, I totally forgot to put this in the same post.

For those who still think I'm scummy, please read this chat log. Note how kdz is unable to support his view, while MMC accepts our explanation.

This chat log has been edited to remove everything that didn't relate to the discussion. I can post the unedited chat log if you think I might have left out anything I shouldn't have.

[14:57:14] ‹killsdazombies› Link's day one would earn him a lynch in any other game
[14:57:20] ‹killsdazombies› lets be real
[14:57:31] ‹Linkcat› ‹@killsdazombies› Please explain.
[14:57:38] ‹killsdazombies› It was 300% scummy
[14:57:48] ‹killsdazombies› It happened though, so it's over
[14:57:52] ‹Linkcat› ‹@killsdazombies› How?
[14:58:10] ‹killsdazombies› The whole situation was scummy, the day extension, the lynch change
[14:58:26] ‹killsdazombies› It was all awful, maybe not all your fault, but youre the front for it
[14:58:36] ‹Linkcat› ‹@killsdazombies› Again, how? You can't just call me mafia and not back it up at all.
[14:58:44] ‹killsdazombies› Im not calling you mafia*
[14:58:49] ‹killsdazombies› let me be sure to say that
[14:58:56] ‹rob77dp› kdz - it was 'awful', to me, in a non-mafia vs. townie sort of way
[14:59:09] ‹Linkcat› Sorry. You can't just say I played scummy and not back it up at all.
[14:59:13] ‹rob77dp› it was more awful in gameplay / principle nothing in it really said "town" or "mafia" to me
[14:59:15] ‹rob77dp› (about Link)
[14:59:23] ‹MeowMeowCat› ‹@rob77dp› It was acting AGAINST, his side, unless he is Mafia
[14:59:34] ‹Linkcat› ‹@MeowMeowCat› How?
[14:59:37] ‹killsdazombies› You changed your vote at the last minute after demanding an extension
[14:59:40] ‹killsdazombies› that screams scum
[14:59:55] ‹rob77dp› Lc did not _know_ coffee was town prior to official final end of D1
[14:59:57] ‹killsdazombies› I get it was to save your own skin, but that doesnt make it better
[14:59:59] ‹rob77dp› unless he is mafia
[15:00:03] ‹Dm› It doesn't scream scum.
[15:00:05] ‹Dm› You're not confirmed mafia.
[15:00:09] ‹Dm› You're just a giant asshole.
[15:00:11] ‹Dm› All there is to it.
[15:00:16] ‹rob77dp› hence, THAT is the only "scumtell" I can even possibly see about the D1 ending
[15:00:21] ‹Linkcat› ‹@killsdazombies› Seriously, me being mafia or town wouldn't have affected my play there.
[15:00:29] ‹killsdazombies› I know it wouldnt link
[15:00:31] ‹ddevans96› kills: He asked for an extension because eljoe ended the day 10 minutes early
[15:00:40] ‹killsdazombies› ^ I know dd
[15:00:49] ‹Linkcat› Then how can you say it screams scum?
[15:00:50] ‹killsdazombies› the whole situation was bad
[15:01:40] ‹Linkcat› You're generalizing again. Please explain why you think I played scummy.
[15:02:48] ‹Linkcat› ‹@killsdazombies›
[15:03:25] ‹killsdazombies› You threw someone who voted with you under the bus to save yourself
[15:04:01] ‹Linkcat› ‹@killsdazombies› Yes. Why would that make me more likely to be mafia?
...
[15:07:06] ‹Linkcat› ‹@MeowMeowCat› You didn't answer my question.
[15:07:16] ‹Linkcat› ‹@killsdazombies› or you
[15:08:45] ‹killsdazombies› Because you killed a town to save yourself. Thats literally it. You caused a town death with a last minute vote change. Even if it doesnt mean youre mafia. Youre playing against the town
[15:09:43] ‹ddevans96› kills: The counterpoint to that is link, assuming he's civilian, was going to die anyways - so he only caused a town death that was already going to happen
[15:09:51] ‹Linkcat› ‹@killsdazombies› There was no way for me to know that Coffee was town. What I did was save a confirmed (to myself) town.
[15:10:23] ‹ddevans96› That's not playing against the town, it's a net zero. Maybe even a positive because link is probably the better player
[15:12:09] ‹killsdazombies› I disagree dd, but I don't really see a point to continued discussion. It won't change my opinion, nor yours
...
(talking with Dm)
...
[15:25:47] ‹Linkcat› ‹@killsdazombies› You still have been completely unable to back up your opinion.
[15:26:12] ‹killsdazombies› I've said it like 10 times linkcat
[15:27:49] ‹Linkcat› ‹@killsdazombies› No, your reasons have been countered with logic. You have not made an argument.
[15:29:15] ‹killsdazombies› You threw a town under the bus after that town voted with you to save yourself, you are playing exclusively for yourself, even if you aren't mafia, youre a gigantic ass.
[15:31:32] ‹Linkcat› ‹@killsdazombies› I was playing exclusively for myself because I was the only person I knew was town. It's really that simple.
[15:31:51] ‹killsdazombies› ‹@Linkcat› K
[15:32:53] ‹Linkcat› ‹@killsdazombies› I'm not sure what you mean by that?
[15:33:10] ‹killsdazombies› ‹@Linkcat› k
[15:34:12] ‹Linkcat› ‹@killsdazombies› I can't tell if you're agreeing with me or stopping the conversation.
[15:34:33] ‹Dm› ‹@Linkcat› "K" is usually short for "I don't give a fuck, I don't want to argue with you"
[15:34:42] ‹killsdazombies› ‹@Linkcat› The latter
[15:34:46] ‹Linkcat› I know, I just wanted to make sure.
[15:34:50] ‹Linkcat› Okay.
[14:59:23] ‹MeowMeowCat› ‹@rob77dp› It was acting AGAINST, his side, unless he is Mafia
[15:52:30] ‹MeowMeowCat› ‹@Linkcat› What did I say
[15:52:47] ‹Linkcat› [14:59:23] ‹MeowMeowCat› ‹@rob77dp› It was acting AGAINST, his side, unless he is Mafia
[15:52:59] ‹MeowMeowCat› sec
[15:53:09] ‹Linkcat› Wow, that was almost an hour ago.
[15:55:30] ‹ddevans96› But...it wasn't against his side
[15:55:41] ‹Linkcat› ‹@MeowMeowCat› I was asking you to explain why you think I was working against my side.
[15:55:58] ‹ddevans96› If he's town, he is the only person he knows is town, so he replaced a townie lynch (him) with another (Coffee)
[15:56:05] ‹MeowMeowCat› ‹@Linkcat› You chose to lynch a civvy instead of dying yourself, assuming you're a civvy, then that would be working against yourself, no?
[15:56:13] ‹MeowMeowCat› ‹@ddevans96› I guess that's true
[15:56:23] ‹ddevans96› That's not a net loss for town. It's a net zero, ignoring the fact that link is the better player
[15:56:27] ‹Linkcat› I had absolutely no way of knowing if Coffee was mafia or civvy.
[15:56:48] ‹ddevans96› If he's mafia, it's self-explanatory as you implied
[15:56:54] ‹Linkcat› So I was actively helping or pretending to be helping town.
[15:57:01] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› ‹@MeowMeowCat› no, he chose to not lynch himself, knowing (hopefully) that he is town. Coffee could have been mafia (5/19 chance)
[15:57:39] ‹MeowMeowCat› yeah, I see that now
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: killsdazombies on October 21, 2015, 12:19:58 am

Linkcat (3) - Espithel, ddevans96, dawn to dusk
Dm (8) - skyironsword, JonathanCrazyJ, rob77dp, Ginyu, MeowMeowCat, killsdazombies, kirbylover314, Linkcat
kirbylover314 (1) - worldwideweb3


Just because I think you're a bad person doesn't mean you can replace my vote with your own linkcat
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: killsdazombies on October 21, 2015, 12:20:33 am

Linkcat (3) - Espithel, ddevans96, dawn to dusk
Dm ( 8 ) - skyironsword, JonathanCrazyJ, rob77dp, Ginyu, MeowMeowCat, killsdazombies, kirbylover314, Linkcat
kirbylover314 (1) - worldwideweb3

Edit to fix the sunglasses of doom
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Linkcat on October 21, 2015, 12:23:57 am
Apparently it is difficult.

Linkcat (3) - Espithel, ddevans96, dawn to dusk
Dm (8) - skyironsword, JonathanCrazyJ, rob77dp, Ginyu, MeowMeowCat, killsdazombies, kirbylover314, Linkcat
kirbylover314 (1) - worldwideweb3
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Dm on October 21, 2015, 12:42:08 am
Linkcat (3) - Espithel, ddevans96, dawn to dusk
Dm (9) - skyironsword, JonathanCrazyJ, rob77dp, Ginyu, MeowMeowCat, killsdazombies, kirbylover314, Linkcat, Dm
kirbylover314 (1) - worldwideweb3

Here, a much better fix
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Espithel on October 21, 2015, 12:43:34 am
Sigh.

Well, a silly guaranteed lynch is better than an unguaranteed lynch.

Linkcat (2) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk
Dm (10) - skyironsword, JonathanCrazyJ, rob77dp, Ginyu, MeowMeowCat, killsdazombies, kirbylover314, Linkcat, Dm, Espithel
kirbylover314 (1) - worldwideweb3
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: UTAlan on October 21, 2015, 12:56:23 am
Linkcat (2) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk
Dm (11) - skyironsword, JonathanCrazyJ, rob77dp, Ginyu, MeowMeowCat, killsdazombies, kirbylover314, Linkcat, Dm, Espithel, UTAlan
kirbylover314 (1) - worldwideweb3

Not sure how I feel about this, but looks like the train is leaving the station and I don't want to have to worry about getting mod-killed in a few days.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: flyingcat on October 21, 2015, 01:14:46 am
Sorry for the inactivity. Since Dm is as good as dead, and I don't want modkill, all aboard the kirby train.

Linkcat (2) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk
Dm (11) - skyironsword, JonathanCrazyJ, rob77dp, Ginyu, MeowMeowCat, killsdazombies, kirbylover314, Linkcat, Dm, Espithel, UTAlan
kirbylover314 (2) - worldwideweb3, flyingcat
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Dm on October 21, 2015, 01:16:45 am
Role: Civilian

Equipments: Combat Knife (1U), Spy Drone (1U), Q.W.M.T (Quantum Wormhole Manipulation Teleporter, Top Secret Prototype)

I'll take this time to explain, shortly, what is Q.W.M.T and what it does. The reason I am doing this is because as I asked in the beginning of the game, Mafia may also have top secret prototypes, and I think it'd help the town to know more about equipment as to formulate a plan. More so because we have 5/18 mafia as opposed to the usual 4/18 by now.

The QWMT will make it so that the Nightkill OR Weapon use of the night is redirected to a new player of the owner's choosing. Practically, you target someone, and that someone will get targeted by the Nightkill OR the Mafia Weapon Use of the night. Of course, this includes mafia themselves. However, in the event that there are multiple QWMTs being activated in one night, the target that is picked the most will be targeted. Otherwise, the host will randomize one of the many different targets of QWMT. In the scenario your target is not the one picked, your use of the QWMT is instantly refunded.

Combat Knife and Spy Drone does what you all know it does. It's in the opening post, so don't mind me if I tell you to go look it up in there. If you're simply too lazy, then:

Combat Knife - The first player to target you with any Equipment this night will be killed. Refunded if no player targets you.
Spy Drone - Learn all of the target player's Equipment uses (or attempted uses) for three nights, starting this night phase.

So, for the most part, I could be a pretty good, safe townie. But alas, life did not go that way.

I believe I have already explained what is wrong within this current lynch we're doing, but in case you are not aware:

You are all lynching me based off an assumption Sky made that I am a 100% mafia. This is clearly false, as you can see out of my equipment list (which I could of course be lying, you should doubt me, but you'll figure it out at the end of the day~).

Sky has told me to be an agent and to not be an agent on two different occasions. Let's assume Sky is an agent. This means Sky targetted me and flipped Mafia. This is clearly impossible; there is zero equipments that are able to give me a different side than the one I am, unless this is one of the top secret prototypes which we all have heard of - however, how likely is this? This would be an equipment that is clearly pro-Mafia for the larger part, and all of the equipments thus far, if not agent-bound or mafia-bound, hold uses for both parties equally.

In the event Sky is an agent and did indeed target me, then the chance I flip Mafia is 5/18, while the chance of Sky being an Agent is 2/17 (I am not an agent.). The odds of that really aren't that likely. Plus - Would an agent come out like this in the blunt?

Another event in which Sky could claim, indeed, with 100% certainty I am mafia, is if Sky was a civilian, which would be a 13/18 chance; I would have to be mafia, which is 5/18, and someone else would have to be an agent (we can discard this one, since it's known that we WILL have at least one agent.) Now, the Agent would have to target me; however, why would the Agent tell Sky anything? No agent would ever tell they're agent and go "someone is 100% mafia" to someone they haven't confirmed as a civilian as that could practically be suicide. It holds a 5/17 chance that the Agent would potentially go talk with a mafioso. As such, we can realize that the agent would have to have confirmed both me and sky in the same night, and then talked with Sky to make Sky lead the lynch on me. But wait, stuff doesn't end there. Why would you just trust anyone who randomly comes up to you? Sure you can frame them later, but wouldn't it be better if you could also trust them? So either Sky somehow confirmed the Agent is also a civilian, or Sky just blindly trusted some random guy who came up and said "Dm is mafia"; which hey, I suppose isn't that bad, since it's what you guys are doing.

So in resume, lynching me out of the concreteness that there is a 100% assumption holds a much lesser probability of being true than just randomly lynching me hoping there to be a mafia, which is something that we could do to absolutely anyone else, at any time, at any point of the game; even to people who have contributed less than I have for the first and second day.

But! Let's remember a few other things that have happened previously. During Day 1, without absolutely any proof, Sky still requested UTAlan to vote on me. Now, whether UTAlan voted on me or not is irrelevant and I do not hold a grudge against him nor should I (it's a stupid move, but that's fine, man.) The issue being, someone clearly attempted to get someone to vote on me from day one, with absolutely zero leads.

Now, coincidentally, the same person comes out on Day 2 and claims to have a 100% lead that I am mafia, thus getting a large amount of people to vote on me on Day 2. Now I know that this could be a big coincidence and all, but don't you think it's a bit too much of a coincidence?

I am not a fan of holding information either, so while we're here, I'll just leave a warning for after I die:
Sky herself has said in a PM to me that she'd rather change her vote this round to someone else; Sky has also said that she was only voting for me because she wanted to keep Linkcat alive because, due to her own words, he was "important", and, apparently, the reason for this was because she was going to get item from a Supply Crate from him. Is this true? I don't know man, this is mafia. I could be lying on this whole post and be mafia myself and you wouldn't even know. But hey, bribing people to keep you alive with a Supply Crate doesn't feel very town to me. Neither does straight up threatening people to vote on someone otherwise you'd use an equipment on them and they'd die within two days; but hey, you're the ones following the lead.

But mind you, I am not requesting that you remove your vote from me. I am giving you all this info, for free, no questions asked, not even asking to the people who still have not answered me completely since page 13 (yes, that includes you, UTA), so that you all can think a bit more about what you're going to do after this day ends. I'll likely be too busy to reply to this thread so extensively again, so consider this my "last will"if you so desire. All the info I accumulated from Sky's conversation and my whole explanation as to why it is not impossible, just very hard that Sky has a 100% definite lead on me is all in this page in case you still have somehow not read it since this is the fourth time I run through it.

Now there are other leads I've mentioned (like JCJ, for example); but they are all in a much less concrete shape, way, or form than all the stuff I have presented here; so I don't think there's need to present these when I can give you all enough leads out of this one post.

Well then! Enjoy your lynch train!

Bye bye~~
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: mathman101 on October 21, 2015, 01:30:47 am
Linkcat (2) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk
Dm (12) - skyironsword, JonathanCrazyJ, rob77dp, Ginyu, MeowMeowCat, killsdazombies, kirbylover314, Linkcat, Dm, Espithel, UTAlan, mathman101
kirbylover314 (2) - worldwideweb3, flyingcat

I like trains.  :P
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: kirbylover314 on October 21, 2015, 01:56:45 am
Linkcat (2) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk
Dm (10) - skyironsword, JonathanCrazyJ, rob77dp, Ginyu, MeowMeowCat, killsdazombies, Linkcat, Dm, Espithel, UTAlan, mathman101
kirbylover314 (2) - worldwideweb3, flyingcat

Dm's convinced me through his post/discussion in chat.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Linkcat on October 21, 2015, 02:05:10 am
It is completely plausible that sky is an Agent or was contacted by an Agent that read Dm as mafia, and that he is lying about his TSP or just has it as mafia. Nothing Dm has said gives a good reason to not lynch him.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Kuroaitou on October 21, 2015, 02:07:01 am
Slightly answering a few questions: the main reason why I didn't vote on Day 1 was because I was trying to do a lot of Relic Sweeper stuff (not to mention, try to manage other Forum Games that are coming up) *coughPlaneswalkerEvaRiacough* ;).

But that aside, let me just say this: I honestly believe you're innocent Dm.



Linkcat (2) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk
Dm (11) - skyironsword, JonathanCrazyJ, rob77dp, Ginyu, MeowMeowCat, killsdazombies, Linkcat, Dm, Espithel, UTAlan, mathman101
kirbylover314 (2) - worldwideweb3, flyingcat
skyironsword (1) - Kuroaitou

Even though that prototype seems a bit... odd to have, I personally believe that sky's tactics so far have made highly suspicious about her, and thus not fully trustworthy. And while it's bad to bring up past history in mafia, I'm also personally reminded of how UTAlan managed to forge an easy insider-alliance with one of the most trusted civilian sources back in Cartel, so this whole situation is just beyond crazy.

The situation with Linkcat I feel like I can't comment on because there's a difference in being FGO and just a normal player in those situations, so I can't provide an objective perspective in regards to whether or not it was 'scummy'. More importantly, the events that unraveled during Day 1 BEFORE the timer-cutoff incident are far more pressing to me, which is why I'm voting the way I am now.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: UTAlan on October 21, 2015, 03:27:19 am
Linkcat (2) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk
Dm (10) - skyironsword, JonathanCrazyJ, rob77dp, Ginyu, MeowMeowCat, killsdazombies, Linkcat, Dm, Espithel, mathman101
kirbylover314 (2) - worldwideweb3, flyingcat
skyironsword (1) - Kuroaitou, UTAlan

I don't know whether to believe Dm, but sky has been acting...not on the up and up. BCCing multiple people on Day 1, trying to direct votes (forgive me for stupidly doing it). Then trying to direct votes Day 2 without giving a full explanation for why. Dm could very well be mafia, but he hasn't acted that way. Sky is clearly not acting like a civvy.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: UTAlan on October 21, 2015, 03:27:34 am
Bleh.

Linkcat (2) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk
Dm (10) - skyironsword, JonathanCrazyJ, rob77dp, Ginyu, MeowMeowCat, killsdazombies, Linkcat, Dm, Espithel, mathman101
kirbylover314 (2) - worldwideweb3, flyingcat
skyironsword (2) - Kuroaitou, UTAlan
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: rob77dp on October 21, 2015, 06:15:37 am
I don't know whether to believe Dm, but sky has been acting...not on the up and up. BCCing multiple people on Day 1, trying to direct votes (forgive me for stupidly doing it). Then trying to direct votes Day 2 without giving a full explanation for why. Dm could very well be mafia, but he hasn't acted that way. Sky is clearly not acting like a civvy.

Linkcat (2) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk
Dm (9) - skyironsword, JonathanCrazyJ, Ginyu, MeowMeowCat, killsdazombies, Linkcat, Dm, Espithel, mathman101
kirbylover314 (2) - worldwideweb3, flyingcat
skyironsword (3) - Kuroaitou, UTAlan, rob77dp

What UTA indicated... there is a lot flying around out there - and I don't see where Dm started any of it but I can say that this vote reflects the main party that initiated a few things to me.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: kirbylover314 on October 21, 2015, 07:03:15 am
Linkcat (2) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk
Dm (9) - skyironsword, JonathanCrazyJ, Ginyu, MeowMeowCat, killsdazombies, Linkcat, Dm, Espithel, mathman101
kirbylover314 (2) - worldwideweb3, flyingcat
skyironsword (4) - Kuroaitou, UTAlan, rob77dp, kirbylover314
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: skyironsword on October 21, 2015, 08:50:49 am
Give me a day. I'll prove it.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: dawn to dusk on October 21, 2015, 09:00:00 am
Linkcat (1) - ddevans96
Dm (9) - skyironsword, JonathanCrazyJ, Ginyu, MeowMeowCat, killsdazombies, Linkcat, Dm, Espithel, mathman101, dawn to dusk
kirbylover314 (2) - worldwideweb3, flyingcat
skyironsword (4) - Kuroaitou, UTAlan, rob77dp, kirbylover314

ALL ABOARD
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Linkcat on October 21, 2015, 09:29:06 am
Right now we're in a situation in which one player is staking their life on another player being mafia. This means we are practically guaranteed to have at least one mafia between Dm, sky, and the person (if any) who contacted sky. The probabilities of us getting to this situation don't matter, because here we are. An important piece of information is that sky targeted me with a Supply Crate last night. This means two things. First, sky cannot have found Dm as mafia on her own. Second, sky is highly likely to be town because giving away a Supply Crate is obviously really bad to do as mafia. If you choose not to believe me, that's fine.

That leaves us with three scenarios, and two possible lynches.

1. Sky is mafia and Dm is town.
Obviously no mafia would out themselves just to kill a random town, so the only way this makes sense is if they knew Dm's role, which is unlikely, and Dm was an Agent, which is also not likely. This is what you believe if you want to lynch sky.

2. The third person is town and Dm is mafia.
This is the scenario I believe to be true. This is completely plausible, as that person has a 12/16 chance of killing a mafia for free due to sky being town. The other options are to publicly out themselves or keep that information to themselves. If that person was one who sky asked to vote on Dm, that makes it more likely that they would trust sky when they found Dm was mafia. Lynching sky is bad here.

3. The third person is mafia and Dm is town.
Lynching sky is still bad here. She would die without revealing the name of the third person and we would have let a mafia get away, and possibly lynch Dm too. This is also not likely to happen without mafia knowing Dm is an agent.

To summarize, if you want to lynch sky then you must believe that Dm is an Agent. Lynching sky is the only way that we can not catch a mafia. As an added bonus, I will stake my life on sky being town.

It's clear what we have to do.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Dm on October 21, 2015, 11:00:33 am
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To summarize, if you want to lynch sky then you must believe that Dm is an Agent.

Loooooooollll

This is so wrong, so wrong it hurts. So wrong, it hurts.

I still believe you didn't even read my post. Everything you said here is so off, that it's painful to read.

Thanks for confirming you and Sky are playing together though; will make life easier for town after I get lynched and prove my point.

Your 1. is wrong, your 2. is also wrong (12/16? LOLNOPE, that math's not even close to true), and your 3. is just retarded (this means Sky randomly trusted someone and Sky is a terrible town.

Nah man, if you want to lynch Sky, that just means you realized the probabilities of me being mafia because of what you guys are claiming are absurdly low, which is something I have already proven.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: RavingRabbid on October 21, 2015, 06:22:46 pm
Linkcat (1) - ddevans96
Dm (9) - skyironsword, JonathanCrazyJ, Ginyu, MeowMeowCat, killsdazombies, Linkcat, Dm, Espithel, mathman101, dawn to dusk
kirbylover314 (2) - worldwideweb3, flyingcat
skyironsword (5) - Kuroaitou, UTAlan, rob77dp, kirbylover314, RavingRabbid

If sky's mafia, good. If he isn't, then he's a terrible civ.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Ginyu on October 21, 2015, 06:31:44 pm
Dm's explanations and the lack of any answer of sky (including my question how he or whoever should've known on day 1, that Dm is mafia) make me change my vote.

Linkcat (1) - ddevans96
Dm (9) - skyironsword, JonathanCrazyJ, MeowMeowCat, killsdazombies, Linkcat, Dm, Espithel, mathman101, dawn to dusk
kirbylover314 (2) - worldwideweb3, flyingcat
skyironsword (6) - Kuroaitou, UTAlan, rob77dp, kirbylover314, RavingRabbid, Ginyu
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: UTAlan on October 21, 2015, 06:53:53 pm
not even asking to the people who still have not answered me completely since page 13 (yes, that includes you, UTA)

Do you still have questions unanswered? I thought I answered everything you asked (except who told me to vote on you, which I later said was sky).
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Dm on October 21, 2015, 07:17:00 pm
not even asking to the people who still have not answered me completely since page 13 (yes, that includes you, UTA)

Do you still have questions unanswered? I thought I answered everything you asked (except who told me to vote on you, which I later said was sky).

The "reasons given" part; you simply said you should know better than to trust non-confirmed people, which is true, but you never specified if you just trusted someone who told you "Hey Dm is maf" or similar. The content you were told in Day 1 is important for all of us.



On a different note, after I die, independent of Sky turning civilian or not after you all lynch like I know you all will, you should also lynch Link after. Don't forget they're both in it together; and if Sky's either maf or bad civ, then Link is also either maf or a terrible civilian.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Ginyu on October 21, 2015, 07:22:19 pm
Do you mind changing your vote to start with this tomorrow instead of waiting another day?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Ginyu on October 21, 2015, 07:22:46 pm
Erm yeah... of course I meant "today", not "tomorrow".
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: UTAlan on October 21, 2015, 07:23:39 pm
So here's where it gets really strange. Sky told me to vote on Dm on odd days (because "something requires it" - which I assumed meant Equipment). Linkcat told me that Sky told HIM to vote on you, but keep you alive.

...and now Sky says Dm is mafia and he *should* die. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Dm on October 21, 2015, 09:31:26 pm
Do you mind changing your vote to start with this tomorrow instead of waiting another day?

Not changing, I'm dying today
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: worldwideweb3 on October 21, 2015, 09:33:47 pm


Linkcat (1) - ddevans96
Dm (9) - skyironsword, JonathanCrazyJ, MeowMeowCat, killsdazombies, Linkcat, Dm, Espithel, mathman101, dawn to dusk
kirbylover314 (1) -  flyingcat
skyironsword (7) - Kuroaitou, UTAlan, rob77dp, kirbylover314, RavingRabbid, Ginyu, worldwideweb3


Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Solaris on October 21, 2015, 09:43:55 pm
Linkcat (1) - ddevans96
Dm ( 8 ) - skyironsword, JonathanCrazyJ, killsdazombies, Linkcat, Dm, Espithel, mathman101, dawn to dusk
kirbylover314 (1) -  flyingcat
skyironsword ( 8 ) - Kuroaitou, UTAlan, rob77dp, kirbylover314, RavingRabbid, Ginyu, worldwideweb3, MeowMeowCat

Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: ddevans96 on October 21, 2015, 09:52:02 pm
Dm (8) - skyironsword, JonathanCrazyJ, killsdazombies, Linkcat, Dm, Espithel, mathman101, dawn to dusk
kirbylover314 (1) -  flyingcat
skyironsword (9) - Kuroaitou, UTAlan, rob77dp, kirbylover314, RavingRabbid, Ginyu, worldwideweb3, MeowMeowCat, ddevans96
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: skyironsword on October 21, 2015, 11:07:34 pm
If you give me a day, I will prove Dm's guilt.

If I die anyway, Link knows what my equipment does and who the Agent is.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Ginyu on October 21, 2015, 11:10:51 pm
Wait, I asked you if you were sure about Dm being mafia, and you said yes. Now, you suddenly need a day?
And it is awesome to give the Agent's name around. It is not like someone could be mafia or what.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: skyironsword on October 21, 2015, 11:12:32 pm
I need a day to prove it all to you.

I already know he's mafia.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Dm on October 21, 2015, 11:13:13 pm
Suuuure
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: UTAlan on October 21, 2015, 11:16:42 pm
Dm (8) - skyironsword, JonathanCrazyJ, killsdazombies, Linkcat, Dm, Espithel, mathman101, dawn to dusk
kirbylover314 (1) -  flyingcat
skyironsword (8) - Kuroaitou, rob77dp, kirbylover314, RavingRabbid, Ginyu, worldwideweb3, MeowMeowCat, ddevans96
UTAlan (1) - UTAlan

I don't know what I'm doing :( I'm too easily swayed by their pretty words. Right now, sky has a convincing argument - if Dm doesn't flip mafia, we can lynch her and get this over with anyway. If we lynch sky first, then we still don't know where we stand with Dm. On the other hand, I don't know what I'm doing, so maybe I deserve to be lynched >.<
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Dm on October 21, 2015, 11:19:33 pm
Dm (8) - skyironsword, JonathanCrazyJ, killsdazombies, Linkcat, Dm, Espithel, mathman101, dawn to dusk
kirbylover314 (1) -  flyingcat
skyironsword (8) - Kuroaitou, rob77dp, kirbylover314, RavingRabbid, Ginyu, worldwideweb3, MeowMeowCat, ddevans96
UTAlan (1) - UTAlan

I don't know what I'm doing :( I'm too easily swayed by their pretty words. Right now, sky has a convincing argument - if Dm doesn't flip mafia, we can lynch her and get this over with anyway. If we lynch sky first, then we still don't know where we stand with Dm. On the other hand, I don't know what I'm doing, so maybe I deserve to be lynched >.<

Lynching me, specially after I revealed my equipment and my QWMT, can POSSIBLY yield better results. However you will have to lynch Sky, Link, and whoever else they tell is an information giver after I die. If you kill Sky and Sky flips town, you guys can kill me, and then, after I flip town, kill whoever gave Sky the info I am a mafia.

There's also the chance we all lynch me, and then you'll all lynch whoever Sky said is an agent, who turns out to be a random town she framed, and then Sky IS still mafia. They all have risks - I ran over the probabilities of this all yesterday extensively in my post and have explained why Sky's theory is MUCH LESS LIKELY than they're making it out to seem.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Ginyu on October 21, 2015, 11:34:24 pm
Why can't we just kill the person who was caught lying?
Sure, we can just vote on ourself, everyone, and resigning to mafia because we have no 100% suspission on day 2. Or we can try to get something done.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: worldwideweb3 on October 21, 2015, 11:35:34 pm

Dm (8) - skyironsword, JonathanCrazyJ, killsdazombies, Linkcat, Dm, Espithel, mathman101, dawn to dusk
kirbylover314 (2) -  flyingcat, worldwideweb3
skyironsword (7) - Kuroaitou, rob77dp, kirbylover314, RavingRabbid, Ginyu, MeowMeowCat, ddevans96
UTAlan (1) - UTAlan

Gonna go to my original vote.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Ginyu on October 21, 2015, 11:43:07 pm
May I ask what a lynch of kirby brings? Did I miss something?
Or is it just another vote not to allow town to go forward?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: UTAlan on October 21, 2015, 11:44:26 pm
Technically, that vote change helps town go forward, as it broke the tie.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: rob77dp on October 21, 2015, 11:47:23 pm
Technically, that vote change helps town go forward, as it broke the tie.

Such a 'tie-breaking' vote need not be done until last last minute though, really... if that was the true intent.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: worldwideweb3 on October 21, 2015, 11:48:08 pm
May I ask what a lynch of kirby brings? Did I miss something?
Or is it just another vote not to allow town to go forward?

Kirby's just been rather inactive in mafia. Also, dm can vote on sky if he wishes to save himself, it doesnt really damage town if dm is civ. My vote does not damage town, imo.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Ginyu on October 21, 2015, 11:49:39 pm
And Sky is the more trustworthy person after being caught lying?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: worldwideweb3 on October 21, 2015, 11:52:58 pm
And Sky is the more trustworthy person after being caught lying?

No proof sky lied, unless im missing something.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Ginyu on October 21, 2015, 11:55:06 pm
He stated Dm was mafia at 100%, and now suddenly needs a day to confirm him as mafia.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: worldwideweb3 on October 21, 2015, 11:59:17 pm
He stated Dm was mafia at 100%, and now suddenly needs a day to confirm him as mafia.

She needs a day to prove it to us, not confirm it, i believe. Also, ask dm to vote on sky, not himself. That would make more sense.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Ginyu on October 22, 2015, 12:01:56 am
May I ask what the need for another day is if Dm is dying tonight?
And about Dm, I think he just did what he thought about earlier: Not taking this serious and just doing anything. But well, there might be some deeper sense I am missing.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Ginyu on October 22, 2015, 12:10:28 am
And with "tonight", I mean this day phase. It is just late here, that's why I typed that.
Sorry if it caused confusion.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Dm on October 22, 2015, 12:11:52 am
May I ask what the need for another day is if Dm is dying tonight?
And about Dm, I think he just did what he thought about earlier: Not taking this serious and just doing anything. But well, there might be some deeper sense I am missing.

I'm not sure if you read this (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-52-by-eljoemo/msg1211473/#msg1211473) or if you just don't have the capacity to.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: ddevans96 on October 22, 2015, 12:13:59 am
I'm going to recap what I said in chat just now.

The vote isn't going to swing much today, so either sky or Dm is going to be lynched, almost certainly. If Dm is lynched, he's either mafia, which is self-explanatory, or he's civilian, which looks extremely bad for sky and her informant. If we lynch sky, no matter what, she doesn't get a chance for that extra day. The only way she gets a meaningful extra day if if both her and Dm live...which won't happen. So her asking for an extra day is just a stalling tactic.

I'm of the opinion that this, while not suspicious in its own right, doesn't look good too with the rest of her actions. I don't necessarily think she's mafia, but at best, she's marginally useful to town, with a strong amount of information behind her. So that's why my vote is staying with her.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Ginyu on October 22, 2015, 12:16:47 am
I did, Dm, and it didn't contain stuff to keep sky alive today.
If you wanna kill yourself so badly, just withdraw.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Dm on October 22, 2015, 12:18:35 am
Killing myself or killing Sky are both equally prestigious, I've already gone over it.
I never asked to keep Sky alive today.

I'd suggest you re-read.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Ginyu on October 22, 2015, 12:20:45 am
The vote on yourself doesn't mean you rather wanna kill yourself than sky?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Dm on October 22, 2015, 12:22:49 am
Yes; but this is my sole preference within the tactic we have.

I gave you all the options, and, again, I will not ask you to follow one or the other. I am not a town leader; I am merely sharing information and facts. You are to do with them what you wish. I believe that if I die, you all will lose entire credibility on Sky and Linkcat, and proceed to lynch them both; further on, you all will be 100% sure the QWMT does what I say it does. This is what is in my mind best for town. Because even if you all lynch Sky or someone else, there is always the chance that Sky is just a downright shit town or that mafia might try to repeatedly convince you all QWMT doesn't do that, or you all will doubt QWMT, and I will always, always, until the end of this game, be doubted as a possible mafia, which hampers my gameplay greatly.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Linkcat on October 22, 2015, 12:48:25 am
So here's where it gets really strange. Sky told me to vote on Dm on odd days (because "something requires it" - which I assumed meant Equipment). Linkcat told me that Sky told HIM to vote on you, but keep you alive.

...and now Sky says Dm is mafia and he *should* die. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

This is true. Sky was trying to get votes on Dm without lynching him. This is why I attempted to save Dm at the end of the day yesterday. This situation is mostly unrelated to the one we're in now.

And it is awesome to give the Agent's name around. It is not like someone could be mafia or what.

It was not as simple as sky telling me who the Agent was.



Here is our updated situation. We have two players (me and sky) claiming that an Agent told us he found Dm as mafia. There are two possible scenarios that aren't extremely unlikely.

1. We are lying and me and sky are both mafia.
Outing ourselves here would be beyond stupid. If this is true, congratulations, you got two mafia.

2. We are telling the truth, and one of the Agent or Dm is mafia.
We lynch Dm. If he's not mafia, we lynch the fake Agent. We are guaranteed a mafia. Lynching sky leaves it unclear who the mafia is. Me and/or sky still have a chance to be mafia, but not more than anyone else.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Dm on October 22, 2015, 12:52:19 am
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2. We are telling the truth, and one of the Agent or Dm is mafia.
We lynch Dm. If he's not mafia, we lynch the fake Agent. We are guaranteed a mafia. Lynching sky leaves it unclear who the mafia is. Me and/or sky still have a chance to be mafia, but not more than anyone else.

I REFUSE to allow this.

Sky has been much scummier than any third party. If you all lynch me, I URGE ALL OF YOU to lynch Sky IMMEDIATELY. And then whoever she says gave her info after, and Link the day after.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Linkcat on October 22, 2015, 01:00:05 am
Either way, lynching sky today is bad. Please consider your votes carefully.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Dm on October 22, 2015, 02:28:17 am
So; a reminder

1. I am right
2. Y'all dun' goofed
3. Force Sky to tell the name of the "agent"
4.Lynch Sky first.
5.Lynch Agent second.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: mathman101 on October 22, 2015, 02:38:59 am

Dm (7) - skyironsword, JonathanCrazyJ, killsdazombies, Linkcat, Dm, Espithel, dawn to dusk
kirbylover314 (2) -  flyingcat, worldwideweb3
skyironsword ( 8 ) - Kuroaitou, rob77dp, kirbylover314, RavingRabbid, Ginyu, MeowMeowCat, ddevans96, mathman101
UTAlan (1) - UTAlan

Not sure if there is still time, but if so I'm changing my vote
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: mathman101 on October 22, 2015, 02:43:02 am
EBWOP: I derped I misunderstood dms last post.

Dm ( 8 ) - skyironsword, JonathanCrazyJ, killsdazombies, Linkcat, Dm, Espithel, dawn to dusk, mathman101
kirbylover314 (2) -  flyingcat, worldwideweb3
skyironsword ( 7 ) - Kuroaitou, rob77dp, kirbylover314, RavingRabbid, Ginyu, MeowMeowCat, ddevans96
UTAlan (1) - UTAlan

Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: rob77dp on October 22, 2015, 02:43:48 am
Dm ( 8 ) - skyironsword, JonathanCrazyJ, killsdazombies, Linkcat, Dm, Espithel, dawn to dusk, rob77dp
kirbylover314 (2) -  flyingcat, worldwideweb3
skyironsword (7) - Kuroaitou, kirbylover314, RavingRabbid, Ginyu, MeowMeowCat, ddevans96, mathman101
UTAlan (1) - UTAlan
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: rob77dp on October 22, 2015, 02:59:04 am
Dm (9) - skyironsword, JonathanCrazyJ, killsdazombies, Linkcat, Dm, Espithel, dawn to dusk, rob77dp, mathman101
kirbylover314 (2) -  flyingcat, worldwideweb3
skyironsword (6) - Kuroaitou, kirbylover314, RavingRabbid, Ginyu, MeowMeowCat, ddevans96
UTAlan (1) - UTAlan

EBWOP
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: eljoemo on October 22, 2015, 03:02:17 am
"Dm, you stand accused of being a member of the mafia that has infiltrated this compound. Their crimes include but are not limited to unlawful entry, extortion, and the murder of at least 2 individuals. How do you plead?"
"Well I'm innocent, but go ahead and convict me if it makes you feel better."
"So you are pleading guilty then?"
"No I'm pleading innocent. But you're not going to believe me until I'm dead so just convict me already."
"The defendant pleads innocent to the charges, despite his intended outcome for this trial. We shall now hear from the opposition. skyironsword, please present your evidence."
"Ahem, I know Dm is mafia because someone told me he is."
"Would you care to reveal the name of your informant to the court?"
"I would not, your honour."
"Then how can the court be sure that this information is correct?"
"Well I'm sure it's correct; there is no way Dm isn't mafia."
"Your honour this is some grade A cow droppings. There is no way that we can trust sky, or her mysterious partner."
"Quiet in the stand! skyironsword, how can we trust either you or your informant to be telling the truth?"
"Well once Dm is dead you'll see I was right."
"Is there no way for you to prove Dm's guilt before this trial ends?"
"No."
"(mumbling) Well isn't that convenient."
"You shut your scum mouth! I thought you wanted to die anyway"
"Of course I don't. It's just the quickest and easiest way for me to prove my point - I'm not part of the mafia."
*bangs gavel* "Order in court."
"You'd die just to prove a point?"
"You wouldn't? I'm willing to bet my life that I'm right; are you?"
"I don't need to. I know I'm right."
*bangs gavel harder* "Order in court!"
"That's exactly what a mafia would say!"
"Oh you would know wouldn't you?!"
*intense fit of gavel banging* "ORDER IN COURT!"
" ... "
" ... "
"One more outburst from either of you and I'll have the baili-"
"sky started it."
"THAT IS IT! Someone please escort this man out of my courtroom immediately!"




Dm has been lynched.
He was a Civilian. He was carrying a Combat Knife, a Spy Drone, and a strange box marked Q.W.M.T.


Night 2


Night 2 has ended

NameRoleEquipmentStatus
skyironsword??????Alive
Linkcat??????Alive
Kuroaitou??????Alive
MeowMeowCat??????Alive
UTAlan??????Alive
Ginyu??????Alive
rob77dp??????Alive
kirbylover314??????Alive
flyingcat??????Alive
killsdazombies??????Alive
dawn to dusk??????Alive
mathman101??????Alive
RavingRabbid??????Alive
JonathanCrazyJ??????Alive
ddevans96??????Alive
Espithel??????Alive
worldwideweb3??????Alive
DmCivilianCombat Knife, Spy Drone, Q.W.M.T.Lynched D2
ZawadxCivilianSignal Jammer, Barricade, FlashlightNightkilled N1
CoffeedittoCivilianDefibrillator, Ammo Box, Combat KnifeLynched D1
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Dm on October 22, 2015, 03:07:26 am
I am SHOCKED!
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Physsion on October 22, 2015, 07:07:34 am
Posting on behalf of Kuro:

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‹Guest-FireflyQueen-60317› Hey guys, it's Kuroaitou here under a guest name due to being on the phone
‹Guest-FireflyQueen-60317› I'm deeply sorry for the late update, but due to very severe circumstances, I may not be able to post in the forum for the next few days
‹Guest-FireflyQueen-60317› Computer issues are preventing me from carrying out tasks as a host and player, so please forgive me.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: eljoemo on October 24, 2015, 03:00:15 am
Another uneasy night. Nobody slept, nobody dared. They lay awake listening to muffled footsteps and hushed voices. Maybe they were setting a trap, or maybe they were trying to find some new information. Nobody tried to find out, just in case they didn't return. A long night of waiting for someone to die, and hoping it wasn't you.

It was close to morning when they heard the gunshot echo through the building. Knowing they were safe, the crowd ran to it as fast as they could, hoping they might find some clue as to who was doing this; anything they could use to fight back.

They all expected to find skyironsword at the scene; they just expected her to be on the other side of the gun.



skyironsword has been night killed.
She was a Civilian. She was carrying a Flash Grenade, a Supply Crate, a Defibrillator and a weird object with H.A.C.S. written on it.


Day 3


Day 3 has ended

NameRoleEquipmentStatus
Linkcat??????Alive
Kuroaitou??????Alive
MeowMeowCat??????Alive
UTAlan??????Alive
Ginyu??????Alive
rob77dp??????Alive
kirbylover314??????Alive
flyingcat??????Alive
killsdazombies??????Alive
dawn to dusk??????Alive
mathman101??????Alive
RavingRabbid??????Alive
JonathanCrazyJ??????Alive
ddevans96??????Alive
Espithel??????Alive
worldwideweb3??????Alive
skyironswordCivillianFlash Grenade, Supply Crate, Defibrillator, H.A.C.S.Nightkilled N2
DmCivilianCombat Knife, Spy Drone, Q.W.M.T.Lynched D2
ZawadxCivilianSignal Jammer, Barricade, FlashlightNightkilled N1
CoffeedittoCivilianDefibrillator, Ammo Box, Combat KnifeLynched D1
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Linkcat on October 24, 2015, 05:09:40 am
I'm just going to assume somebody used a QWMT on sky. Whoever did that, you are terrible.

Rob told me and sky that he was an Agent and Dm was mafia. Dm was not mafia. We are lynching rob.

rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: kirbylover314 on October 24, 2015, 05:11:50 am
Seems fair enough.

rob77dp (2) - Linkcat, kirbylover314
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Kuroaitou on October 24, 2015, 05:29:53 am
rob77dp (3) - Linkcat, kirbylover314, Kuroaitou

*sigh* So we have an instigator?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: worldwideweb3 on October 24, 2015, 07:20:20 am
Why are we listening to link? Also, I think I might be able to confirm myself as civvy.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: flyingcat on October 24, 2015, 12:17:53 pm
The only issue I see with this is that if Rob was mafia, it would be pretty stupid to claim agent and that Dm is mafia. If he was civvy, still makes no sense since Dm was not mafia. Something fishy is going on.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Submachine on October 24, 2015, 12:21:58 pm
@eljoemo: Can we know the total of the distributed items? Including the number for normal Equipment, agent equipment, mafia weapons and secret prototypes.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: kirbylover314 on October 24, 2015, 04:44:27 pm
The only issue I see with this is that if Rob was mafia, it would be pretty stupid to claim agent and that Dm is mafia. If he was civvy, still makes no sense since Dm was not mafia. Something fishy is going on.

Either way, he's not likely to be going to beneficial to town. Or maybe Link is lying, who knows
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: eljoemo on October 24, 2015, 05:35:37 pm
@eljoemo: Can we know the total of the distributed items? Including the number for normal Equipment, agent equipment, mafia weapons and secret prototypes.

At the start of the game, there were 5 Mafia Weapons (1 per Mafia); 4 pieces of Agent Equipment (2 per Agent) and 49 pieces of Equipment (including TSPs). All of this has already been stated to some degree somewhere in this thread.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on October 24, 2015, 06:28:58 pm
I used electromagnet on Rob last night to steal an equipment.

I got NOTHING from him.
I checked with eljoe, and it would have been possible to steal a mafia weapon.
This means 1 of 2 things.

1. He used one equipment night 1, and one equipment night 2, and he had a MAFIA weapon, which was used collectively by the mafia on one of those two nights.
2. A seperate piece of equipment has somehow either protected Rob from targeting, or has interrupted my equipment use.

I suspect the former.

rob77dp (4) - Linkcat, kirbylover314, Kuroaitou, JonathanCrazyJ

Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Ginyu on October 24, 2015, 07:01:41 pm
rob77dp (5) - Linkcat, kirbylover314, Kuroaitou, JonathanCrazyJ, Ginyu
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: ddevans96 on October 24, 2015, 07:07:41 pm
rob77dp (6) - Linkcat, kirbylover314, Kuroaitou, JonathanCrazyJ, Ginyu,, ddevans96

Seems like a good option. If rob flips civilian, though, we really need to lynch linkcat. Also I'd like to hear rob's defense.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on October 24, 2015, 07:20:00 pm
Just a note on Rob.

Even if he flips mafia, that does not automatically clear either Linkcat or Sky.

The fact that he has used all 3 pieces of equipment so early mean he could be being used by Mafia as an early game Gambit.


This is INSANELY far fetched. All i'm saying is that Agents should not invite either of them into civvy central just on the basis of the outcome of this lynch. Be careful, search them first.
I have one more tiny suspicion which makes this SLIGHTLY more likely, which I will not reveal, for reasons. It's still REALLY UNLIKELY, but I'm just advising caution.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: ddevans96 on October 24, 2015, 07:22:32 pm
Even if he flips mafia, that does not automatically clear either Linkcat or Sky.

sky being dead clears sky :P

skyironsword has been night killed.
She was a Civilian. She was carrying a Flash Grenade, a Supply Crate, a Defibrillator and a weird object with H.A.C.S. written on it.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on October 24, 2015, 07:27:39 pm
Missed that, was at work lol.

EVEN SUSPECT THE DEAD
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: flyingcat on October 24, 2015, 08:39:54 pm
rob77dp (7) - Linkcat, kirbylover314, Kuroaitou, JonathanCrazyJ, Ginyu,, ddevans96, flyingcat

No better options ATM, although lynching link next sounds like a good idea right now.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: worldwideweb3 on October 24, 2015, 08:52:19 pm
Put my vote on rob then.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Espithel on October 24, 2015, 08:53:55 pm
rob77dp (9) - Linkcat, kirbylover314, Kuroaitou, JonathanCrazyJ, Ginyu,, ddevans96, flyingcat, worldwideweb3, Espithel

Well.
Here's to another day of being a mindless sheeple!
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: rob77dp on October 24, 2015, 09:00:08 pm
Newberry Springs, CA... I am skotadi phobos remote here I think.  Hence my service signal connection is terri-bad! This may be my only chance to reply so here goes (please help a townie on his phone out with vote posting):

I vote on Linkcat. Far from omgus, this is simply my best guess as to a non-town non-agent. Town, please be diligent about best attempts not to lynch any agents building civ central.  I have had a few chats with link and received PM's FROM sky. I hereby declare that I never told her or Lc that I was agent nor that Dm was mafia.

I was 50/50 on Linkcat at end of night 2... This insta-vote initiated on me elevated to 80%. It is possible he is not mafia but protecting town interests dictates I not share my reason for the 20% uncertainty.

I believe that jcj, if being honest about magnet use and result, came up empty because I used one equip night one and another TSP last night leaving me one noon magnetic item left.

If town decides that my death is even if I DO FLIP TOWN, then so be it. My most useful equipment is gone and I am but a lonely solo civ with one vote per day...
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: rob77dp on October 25, 2015, 12:35:24 am
Just realized why jcj received nothing on his magnet... I would like to know if jcj can provide a train he targeted me with it?

  (my tsp use kept him from having anything come back) - ITDG)

Be patient jcj, you'll get your result if we both survive a couple more days.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Espithel on October 25, 2015, 12:37:59 am
rob77dp (9) - Linkcat, kirbylover314, Kuroaitou, JonathanCrazyJ, Ginyu, ddevans96, flyingcat, worldwideweb3, Espithel
Linkcat (1) - rob77dp

As requested.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on October 25, 2015, 12:41:58 am
Just realized why jcj received nothing on his magnet... I would like to know if jcj can provide a train he targeted me with it?

  (my tsp use kept him from having anything come back) - ITDG)

Be patient jcj, you'll get your result if we both survive a couple more days.

"I would like to know if jcj can provide a train he targeted me with it?"

I don't know what this means?

"Be patient jcj, you'll get your result if we both survive a couple more days."

This seems unlikely :P
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Espithel on October 25, 2015, 12:52:27 am
The only thing my mindless sheeple mind can comprehend is that you said ITDG, which is a top secret prototype.
So, erm. If you're going to die, can you at least tell us what that does?

Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: ddevans96 on October 25, 2015, 01:05:48 am
jcj: I think train = reason. They have similar patterns on swiping keyboards.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: UTAlan on October 25, 2015, 01:10:52 am
rob77dp (9) - Linkcat, kirbylover314, Kuroaitou, JonathanCrazyJ, Ginyu, ddevans96, flyingcat, worldwideweb3, Espithel, UTAlan
Linkcat (1) - rob77dp

Rob's explanation does fit, but the evidence is stacked too heavily against him for mere words to save him now.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Linkcat on October 25, 2015, 02:14:42 am
Well.
Here's to another day of being a mindless sheeple!

If that's your view, then you're in luck! You get to be mindless sheeple twice in one day. You may remember that Dm said in chat that someone had contacted him claiming that they were an Agent and Kuro was mafia. I was contacted by that same person. While I can't know 100%, I strongly believe this person is real. We are lynching Kuro for a number of reasons.

1. H.A.C.S.  - Holographic Active Camouflauge Suit - This makes you immune to lynches for the next three days as long as you don't vote. The person with the next highest votes is lynched. The one sky got was from the Supply Crate, sorob might have the original. He did vote, but he just has to remove it at the end of the day.
2. Since rob was the one that claimed Agent, if he doesn't have HACS then it's likely that he is not as useful as Kuro.
3. Lynching rob is what the mafia expects us to do.
4. 100% confirms the Agent.

JCJ, that is definitely possible and I would totally do something like that, but not in this game, in this way, for many reasons.
Mafia is still restricted to one Equipment per night, so rob can't have used all his equipment. I have no idea why something would resist the electromagnet.

flyingcat, I also thought that it wouldn't make sense for mafia to do that. After Dm flipped town I figured it out. They did it for one or both of these reasons.
1. Mafia knew that having sky lead the lynch would look bad for her, and that Dm would be able to out talk her and get her lynched. Dm would be lynched the next day and rob would get away.
2. Rob has HACS, so he would be safe from lynches.

However, they could not have prepared for two things.
1. Dm tried to get himself lynched.
2. I tricked rob into telling me that he was the one who claimed to sky. I suspected that it was him, so I told him that sky had told me that it was him. He admitted it and sky confirmed it. I was talking to rob near the end of the day and he was reluctant to vote on Dm. I told him that if he let sky get lynched then I would give his name to Dm.

Preemptive edit: Rob using an ITDG last night could explain why JCJ didn't steal anything, but JCJ could be lying or the magnet could have been interrupted. Also note how rob says "I used one equip night one and another TSP last night". This could mean that he had two TSPs and used HACS Night one. I think there's still a decent chance he used HACS.

rob77dp (9) - kirbylover314, Kuroaitou, JonathanCrazyJ, Ginyu, ddevans96, flyingcat, worldwideweb3, Espithel, UTAlan
Linkcat (1) - rob77dp
Kuroaitou (1) - Linkcat

Once we get this lynch, we should be set for the rest of the game. Let's make it happen.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Solaris on October 25, 2015, 02:45:36 am
rob77dp (9) - kirbylover314, Kuroaitou, JonathanCrazyJ, Ginyu, ddevans96, flyingcat, worldwideweb3, Espithel, UTAlan
Linkcat (1) - rob77dp
Kuroaitou (2) - Linkcat, MeowMeowCat

Logic is sound. If Kuro has a good enough defense, I will remove my vote.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: rob77dp on October 25, 2015, 07:36:25 am
In ~16 hrs I will have good internet and can do some additional comments... Phone reception is so hard here (Sko how do you do it in the middle of nowhere California??).

dd is right on meaning of my "train" earlier.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Linkcat on October 25, 2015, 09:05:05 am
To answer your question rob, it's because you're mafia.

From what rob says, the ITDG will delay all equipment effects for the next three nights. This fits well with the other TSPs, so I mostly believe it. We're still lynching Kuro though.

Which we should be doing. It's not a disaster if we lynch rob, but Kuro is much better.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Kuroaitou on October 25, 2015, 02:44:23 pm
rob77dp (8) - kirbylover314, JonathanCrazyJ, Ginyu, ddevans96, flyingcat, worldwideweb3, Espithel, UTAlan
Linkcat (2) - rob77dp, Kuroaitou
Kuroaitou (2) - Linkcat, MeowMeowCat

You know what, screw it. I might as well share my thoughts right here and now before any more damage is done.



Personally Linkcat, after the events of Mafia 51 I've come to realize that when decisive actions needs to be taken, it should be taken, especially if one person's convictions can prove them right. After failing to lynch Naesala during 51, and that basically screwing up the rest of the game (which led to the werewolves winning, doh), I vowed to be more assertive in trying to ensure the vote doesn't kill a valuable member.

But now I realize, speaking as a player in this game; your actions up to this point have been at best, inconsistent, and worst, completely horrible, and Espithel's deal on Day 1 is now resurfacing back into my head. But let's ignore that for a moment, and go for a different reason.

I've decided to analyze ALL of your moves Linkcat, and to me, regardless of whether you're playing as a bold civy or a reckless mafia, is becoming a detriment to town, and is the reason why I've decided to go lynch you.



Day 1 - You lead off the vote as a 'joke' of being impatient. Okay, that's fine. Whatever.

Espithel (1) - Linkcat

I'm impatient.

But after the confusing situation regarding 'votes, no votes, no lynches, ties, etc.', you decide to tip the odds against Dm (who apparently decided to play seriously this time) by moving your vote from Espithel to him:

dawn to dusk (1) - dawn to dusk
Linkcat (1) - Espithel
Dm (2) - skyironsword, Linkcat
skyironsword (1) - Dm
No lynch (3) - worldwideweb3, UTAlan, rob77dp

Nice try, Dm.

After Dm tries to get you to explain here (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-52-by-eljoemo/msg1210773/#msg1210773), you refuse, which again, is fine, because most likely at this point you're being led off the train by sky (just like UTA, and several others most likely). Dm uses your own non-disclosure against you (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-52-by-eljoemo/msg1210777/#msg1210777), causing you to change your vote off of him (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-52-by-eljoemo/msg1210785/#msg1210785), which apparently resolved the situation later on... but then you suddenly come up with a reason to keep Dm alive (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-52-by-eljoemo/msg1211027/#msg1211027), and after all the vote switches and whatnot, Coffeeditto dies due to town survival instincts. Fine.

Day 2 begins. After a bit of a toss up of people placing votes on you-

I forgot to ask. Does anyone know if a Signal Jammer was used last night?

None used.

Right here, rob confirms to you that Signal Jammer WASN'T used, potentially meaning that he could have used some sort of information-based equipment (Motion Sensor, Spy Drone, etc.), as he was able to get information. This however, does not prove that rob is an Agent however, nor does it prove that he even used that equipment, but it does show that whatever information you were trying to get on Night 1, obviously didn't work, since you didn't get anything. Hm. Maybe someone knew better and blocked you or themselves from your targeting?

Whether that makes you a mafia or townie is hard to tell, but after people began piling up those votes, your defense was that as you 'knew' that you were town, you did everything you can to ensure that you stayed alive so as to increase the chances of town winning. Okay, that's fine - except, by extension, a person can also know that they're mafia, and trying to save their team from a Day 1 lynch-loss via RNG without invoking all of their gang members (or mafia teammates); all that person can do is just mislead Espithel and persuading him otherwise to vote with you on a randomly agreed target (Coffeeditto).

Then the debacle between sky and Dm happened. Dm (who we know now was innocent) posts this incredibly long post (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-52-by-eljoemo/msg1211473/#msg1211473) with this gem inside:

...
I am not a fan of holding information either, so while we're here, I'll just leave a warning for after I die:
Sky herself has said in a PM to me that she'd rather change her vote this round to someone else; Sky has also said that she was only voting for me because she wanted to keep Linkcat alive because, due to her own words, he was "important", and, apparently, the reason for this was because she was going to get item from a Supply Crate from him. Is this true? I don't know man, this is mafia. I could be lying on this whole post and be mafia myself and you wouldn't even know. But hey, bribing people to keep you alive with a Supply Crate doesn't feel very town to me. Neither does straight up threatening people to vote on someone otherwise you'd use an equipment on them and they'd die within two days; but hey, you're the ones following the lead.
...

It'd be hilarious if mafia were announcing to one another that they were using supply crate on each other. It would also be more reasonable that you struck a deal with her acting as a civy.

A theory: perhaps, in your moment of creating an insider alliance, you offered her another use of Supply Crate with your own Ammo Box or whatnot, giving you guys more options to 'find mafia' (or hell, in your case, find/stop agents and manipulate sky against all other townies).

My own reasoning leads me to (sadly) assume that sky is a threat, and thus I try to keep Dm alive. I ignore the warning signs about you at this point, because, hey, someone is LITERALLY telling everyone via secret BBC personal messages to kill a target and lying to each different person about their motivations. Obviously suspicious at worst, crazy at best. Then THIS (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-52-by-eljoemo/msg1211508/#msg1211508) happens, showing us that you were:

a) accusing everyone under the pretense that lynching sky was all due to the idea that Dm was an Agent
b) ignoring ALL of Dm's counterarguments against you and sky
and c) trying to swing town into killing Dm after he outwardly unveiled a top secret weapon that could basically throw nightkills back at mafia players.

Dm dies. (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-52-by-eljoemo/msg1211718/#msg1211718) Day 3 begi- oh, wait, wait a minute:

I'm just going to assume somebody used a QWMT on sky. Whoever did that, you are terrible.

Rob told me and sky that he was an Agent and Dm was mafia. Dm was not mafia. We are lynching rob.

rob77dp (1) - Linkcat

Immediately, you jump on a bandwagon; fine, rob could very well be mafia, but notice the orange text: instead of the other possibilities of say, Flash Grenade being used, or mafia deciding to target sky (because sky possibly found out who a mafia person was... perhaps someone that was keeping close tabs on her as a personal quartermaster?). And then, you say the yellow text, which I decide to blindly agree with...

JonathanCrazyJ says that rob is a mafia (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-52-by-eljoemo/msg1212129/#msg1212129) as well because he couldn't steal anything from him (what?), because Magnet failed on Night 2, and the idea that rob used all of his equipment (including a weapon). But remember my earlier statement in cyan above? rob has ALREADY used some sort of intel-gaining device on the first night if he was being honest. So it couldn't have been a weapon, because only one piece of equipment can be used each night as stated in the rules (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-52-by-eljoemo/).

"All players may only use 1 piece of Equipment per night.
Both Agent Equipment and mafia Weapons are treated as Equipment, unless otherwise specified.
...
The mafia nightkill is treated as a group action and not an Equipment use. Only Equipment that specifies that it affects nightkills will do so. Mafia Weapons are treated as single player actions and Equipment uses.

Read the rules better jcj. :P

Finally to the more recent hour; rob77dp makes a response. (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-52-by-eljoemo/msg1212150/#msg1212150) And then based on recent developments, he used a 'delayed-equipment-effect' (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-52-by-eljoemo/msg1212175/#msg1212175) secret weapon that basically means that if both of them survive, jcj will get non-used equipment on Night... 5? Or whenever. This is irrelevant.

While this does not state that rob is a mafia (since his third item could theoretically be a weapon waiting to be used...), you SUDDENLY just move your vote on me without provocation, with your recent post of:

Well.
Here's to another day of being a mindless sheeple!

If that's your view, then you're in luck! You get to be mindless sheeple twice in one day. You may remember that Dm said in chat that someone had contacted him claiming that they were an Agent and Kuro was mafia. I was contacted by that same person. While I can't know 100%, I strongly believe this person is real. We are lynching Kuro for a number of reasons.

Again, manipulating Espithel just like you did on Day 1. Then you suddenly insert this new information about Dm getting in contact with an Agent (post or pre death?) and I'm a mafia. You believe this person. Fine - and this new guy is okay because... ? Whatever, moving further on.

1. H.A.C.S.  - Holographic Active Camouflauge Suit - This makes you immune to lynches for the next three days as long as you don't vote. The person with the next highest votes is lynched. The one sky got was from the Supply Crate, sorob might have the original. He did vote, but he just has to remove it at the end of the day.
2. Since rob was the one that claimed Agent, if he doesn't have HACS then it's likely that he is not as useful as Kuro.
3. Lynching rob is what the mafia expects us to do.
4. 100% confirms the Agent.

1. You know what, the HACS description makes sense, but if rob has the original 'HACS' (which seems a bit too coincidental, as a person shouldn't be able to start out with two secret weapons as the apparent ITDG was used to avoid Jcj's magnet) and apparently used it on Night 1 (which contradicts the cyan statement), then why did he even bother voting on the second day? Or hell, even today? He wouldn't even have to post, we would have just wasted a day lynch, thanks to your leadership.
2. rob specifically said in his previous post that he NEVER claimed agent to you. You dismiss his post completely just like Dm's, without even arguing a, "Yes you did! Because etc." - then you go on the point that he isn't as useful as me. What point does that even have if 'we're both muhfia? It doesn't matter if a player is useful or not if they're not even on the same team! And frankly, your assessment can't be verified - for all I know, rob may as well be the one who is in contact with BOTH of the agents and thus is actually the most important person, and you're just a spy inserting yourself into all these contrived areas of interest.
3. OR, it could just be what you initially wanted when working with your team, and then switched tactics when he began countering you (just as other civilians did).
4. ...if it does, you are not the Agent's best partner.

Mafia is still restricted to one Equipment per night, so rob can't have used all his equipment. I have no idea why something would resist the electromagnet.

flyingcat, I also thought that it wouldn't make sense for mafia to do that. After Dm flipped town I figured it out. They did it for one or both of these reasons.
1. Mafia knew that having sky lead the lynch would look bad for her, and that Dm would be able to out talk her and get her lynched. Dm would be lynched the next day and rob would get away.
2. Rob has HACS, so he would be safe from lynches.

Your comment to jcj is fine regarding equipment usage and rules. But again:
1. A lot of people would have gotten away too actually. You included - the so called 'false agent' may as well be someone else not even in this whole situation, and you would have been next on the lynch list after Dm was confirmed civilian via a Day 3 lynch. But by that time, you probably would have had more people wrapped around your finger to use and play this blame game on.
2. If rob was truly mafia and used the silly HACS on the first NIGHT, when there was no brewing suspicion that it was him, it would be a bad play for so many reasons now that I think about it:

More importantly, how do you even know that he got a HACS? Did you use an RFID scanner on it or something? You are incredibly bent on trying to figure out who has the secret weapons, if any, and that seems more than just a power or information grab. skyironsword should have probably known better than to deliver her information regarding HACS to you, but to the final statements.

However, they could not have prepared for two things.
1. Dm tried to get himself lynched.
2. I tricked rob into telling me that he was the one who claimed to sky. I suspected that it was him, so I told him that sky had told me that it was him. He admitted it and sky confirmed it. I was talking to rob near the end of the day and he was reluctant to vote on Dm. I told him that if he let sky get lynched then I would give his name to Dm.

1. ...this statement is absurd. Dm wouldn't get himself killed after trying to reveal himself honestly, he just resigned to the fact that you were clearly supporting the masses to follow suit after skyironsword  wanted to get him killed. You played the both of them, and now you're doing it again between us two, and I say screw that.
2. And here's the juiciest part.

You just told us you tricked rob into giving a false statement. Apparently, rob never even declared being an agent ever to you OR sky. Without her being able to give any input now, you may as well be lying about her confirming rob being the one who contacted her. But of course - instead, you said you would give rob's name to Dm for punishment if he didn't vote Dm out, and surprise, surprise, once Dm died and your puppet followed suit, you're trying to get rid of the residual evidence of your little circles between sky, Espithel (?) and who knows how many others.

But of course you're just an aggressive townie who's just doing what's right... right?



TL;DR - NO. Read my explanation people. This is enough evidence for me to switch, and frankly, I can proudly state that I'm not going to sigh this one off. I have conviction this time around, just like I did against UTA during the 'Threxes' based mafia.

rob77dp (8) - kirbylover314, JonathanCrazyJ, Ginyu, ddevans96, flyingcat, worldwideweb3, Espithel, UTAlan
Linkcat (2) - rob77dp, Kuroaitou
Kuroaitou (2) - Linkcat, MeowMeowCat
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Dm on October 25, 2015, 02:54:27 pm
From the tomb: I'll be following this thread and all but whenever someone mentions me from now on, do not ever assume it is post death. I even refuse to answer Mafia related PMs in chat. I have entirely removed myself from the game. Anything someone claims me to have said is either pre-death or a lie. Post-death talking is strictly unallowed and I would never do this.

Just to clear some stuff up which I've been getting. Post death playing or even talking about mafia is strictly against the rules and should never be considered.

Sorry for posting~
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: CrockettRocket on October 25, 2015, 02:55:06 pm
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Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Solaris on October 25, 2015, 03:24:31 pm
in
>24 pages
>heated discussion on previous page
>"in"
 :-X
The game has been started for a while, incase you haven't noticed for some reason.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: CrockettRocket on October 25, 2015, 03:45:08 pm
in
>24 pages
>heated discussion on previous page
>"in"
 :-X
The game has been started for a while, incase you haven't noticed for some reason.

OMG wow. Im sorry for posting guys! Just been caught up in Rl, war, and relic sweeper.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: worldwideweb3 on October 25, 2015, 06:52:33 pm
Put my vote on link. Rob won't help us civvies if he was Mafia. I like kuro's post, so Yh, vote on linkcat.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Solaris on October 25, 2015, 06:56:22 pm
rob77dp (7) - kirbylover314, JonathanCrazyJ, Ginyu, ddevans96, flyingcat, Espithel, UTAlan
Linkcat (4) - rob77dp, Kuroaitou, MeowMeowCat, worldwideweb3
Kuroaitou (1) - Linkcat

Rebuttal, link? Kuro's logic just blew yours out of the water.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: UTAlan on October 25, 2015, 08:23:42 pm
rob77dp (7) - kirbylover314, JonathanCrazyJ, Ginyu, ddevans96, flyingcat, worldwideweb3, Espithel
Linkcat (3) - rob77dp, Kuroaitou, UTAlan
Kuroaitou (2) - Linkcat, MeowMeowCat
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: UTAlan on October 25, 2015, 08:24:08 pm
rob77dp (6) - kirbylover314, JonathanCrazyJ, Ginyu, ddevans96, flyingcat, Espithel
Linkcat (5) - rob77dp, Kuroaitou, MeowMeowCat, worldwideweb3, UTAlan
Kuroaitou (1) - Linkcat

EBWOP. Stupid next page.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: kirbylover314 on October 25, 2015, 09:03:44 pm
rob77dp (5) - JonathanCrazyJ, Ginyu, ddevans96, flyingcat, Espithel
Linkcat (6) - rob77dp, Kuroaitou, MeowMeowCat, worldwideweb3, UTAlan, kirbylover314
Kuroaitou (1) - Linkcat
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: flyingcat on October 25, 2015, 09:10:18 pm
rob77dp (4) - JonathanCrazyJ, Ginyu, ddevans96, Espithel
Linkcat (7) - rob77dp, Kuroaitou, MeowMeowCat, worldwideweb3, UTAlan, kirbylover314, flyingcat
Kuroaitou (1) - Linkcat

So if Link is mafia, does that clear rob?

Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: RavingRabbid on October 25, 2015, 09:16:02 pm
rob77dp (4) - JonathanCrazyJ, Ginyu, ddevans96, Espithel
Linkcat (8) - rob77dp, Kuroaitou, MeowMeowCat, worldwideweb3, UTAlan, kirbylover314, flyingcat, RavingRabbid
Kuroaitou (1) - Linkcat

For Coffee.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: RavingRabbid on October 25, 2015, 09:16:34 pm
rob77dp (4) - JonathanCrazyJ, Ginyu, ddevans96, Espithel
Linkcat (8) - rob77dp, Kuroaitou, MeowMeowCat, worldwideweb3, UTAlan, kirbylover314, flyingcat, RavingRabbid
Kuroaitou (1) - Linkcat

EBWOP screw the sunglasses if I am allowed to delete the other post I will
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on October 25, 2015, 09:33:29 pm
Well.
Kuro's epic post is the best written mafia post I have yet to read. It's super long and yet I was gripped.

Here's the thing. Link was talking to me during the night phase, telling me how I was suspect, focusing on the fact i was pro 'no-lynch' last mafia, and anti 'no-lynch' this mafia, because i couldn't remember who convinced me that no-lynch in general harms Town.
In order to help 'convince him' I was town, he suggested I target him with an equipment, because he had used a flashlight. I told him none of my equipments were viable for that task / would be wasted on this, other than Electromagnet. He said as that had such low priority, I had better use it on rob instead, as Link was fairly sure he was mafia. I thought that this was a decent use of the ability, because i would stand a chance of stealing a Mafia weapon, and if he was civvy, then all that would happen is re-distribution of civvy Equipment.

So yeah, Link was the one who asked me to target rob.

With regards to kuro saying i should read the rules regarding Mafia Weapon uses, I did read them, I thought they meant that the weapons were used collectively by mafia, so they COULD be used concurrently with a normal equipment. Slightly ambiguous phrasing :P

rob77dp (3) -Ginyu, ddevans96, Espithel
Linkcat (9) - rob77dp, Kuroaitou, MeowMeowCat, worldwideweb3, UTAlan, kirbylover314, flyingcat, RavingRabbid, JonathanCrazyJ
Kuroaitou (1) - Linkcat
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Linkcat on October 25, 2015, 11:09:24 pm
Wow, what a post. I'm going to explain everything in yellow.

rob77dp (8) - kirbylover314, JonathanCrazyJ, Ginyu, ddevans96, flyingcat, worldwideweb3, Espithel, UTAlan
Linkcat (2) - rob77dp, Kuroaitou
Kuroaitou (2) - Linkcat, MeowMeowCat

You know what, screw it. I might as well share my thoughts right here and now before any more damage is done.



Personally Linkcat, after the events of Mafia 51 I've come to realize that when decisive actions needs to be taken, it should be taken, especially if one person's convictions can prove them right. After failing to lynch Naesala during 51, and that basically screwing up the rest of the game (which led to the werewolves winning, doh), I vowed to be more assertive in trying to ensure the vote doesn't kill a valuable member. That's great to hear, Kuro. I think you would have been helpful if you weren't mafia.


But now I realize, speaking as a player in this game; your actions up to this point have been at best, inconsistent, and worst, completely horrible, and Espithel's deal on Day 1 is now resurfacing back into my head. But let's ignore that for a moment, and go for a different reason.

I've decided to analyze ALL of your moves Linkcat, and to me, regardless of whether you're playing as a bold civy or a reckless mafia, is becoming a detriment to town, and is the reason why I've decided to go lynch you.



Day 1 - You lead off the vote as a 'joke' of being impatient. Okay, that's fine. Whatever.

Espithel (1) - Linkcat

I'm impatient.

But after the confusing situation regarding 'votes, no votes, no lynches, ties, etc.', you decide to tip the odds against Dm (who apparently decided to play seriously this time) by moving your vote from Espithel to him:

dawn to dusk (1) - dawn to dusk
Linkcat (1) - Espithel
Dm (2) - skyironsword, Linkcat
skyironsword (1) - Dm
No lynch (3) - worldwideweb3, UTAlan, rob77dp

Nice try, Dm.

After Dm tries to get you to explain here (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-52-by-eljoemo/msg1210773/#msg1210773), you refuse, which again, is fine, because most likely at this point you're being led off the train by sky (just like UTA, and several others most likely). Dm uses your own non-disclosure against you (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-52-by-eljoemo/msg1210777/#msg1210777), causing you to change your vote off of him (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-52-by-eljoemo/msg1210785/#msg1210785), which apparently resolved the situation later on... but then you suddenly come up with a reason to keep Dm alive (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-52-by-eljoemo/msg1211027/#msg1211027), and after all the vote switches and whatnot, Coffeeditto dies due to town survival instincts. Fine.

Day 2 begins. After a bit of a toss up of people placing votes on you-

I forgot to ask. Does anyone know if a Signal Jammer was used last night?

None used.

Right here, rob confirms to you that Signal Jammer WASN'T used, potentially meaning that he could have used some sort of information-based equipment (Motion Sensor, Spy Drone, etc.), as he was able to get information. This however, does not prove that rob is an Agent however, nor does it prove that he even used that equipment, but it does show that whatever information you were trying to get on Night 1, obviously didn't work, since you didn't get anything. Hm. Maybe someone knew better and blocked you or themselves from your targeting? I didn't use any information gathering equipment on Night 1. I asked that because the Signal Jammer lasts for two nights, and I felt that was important information for town to have. Rob knew one wasn't used because between the five mafia, at least one got information.


Whether that makes you a mafia or townie is hard to tell, but after people began piling up those votes, your defense was that as you 'knew' that you were town, you did everything you can to ensure that you stayed alive so as to increase the chances of town winning. Okay, that's fine - except, by extension, a person can also know that they're mafia, and trying to save their team from a Day 1 lynch-loss via RNG without invoking all of their gang members (or mafia teammates); all that person can do is just mislead Espithel and persuading him otherwise to vote with you on a randomly agreed target (Coffeeditto). That is true, but since I would do that as mafia or town, it doesn't matter. Coffee wasn't picked randomly, it was decided by Espithel.


Then the debacle between sky and Dm happened. Dm (who we know now was innocent) posts this incredibly long post (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-52-by-eljoemo/msg1211473/#msg1211473) with this gem inside:

...
I am not a fan of holding information either, so while we're here, I'll just leave a warning for after I die:
Sky herself has said in a PM to me that she'd rather change her vote this round to someone else; Sky has also said that she was only voting for me because she wanted to keep Linkcat alive because, due to her own words, he was "important", and, apparently, the reason for this was because she was going to get item from a Supply Crate from him. Is this true? I don't know man, this is mafia. I could be lying on this whole post and be mafia myself and you wouldn't even know. But hey, bribing people to keep you alive with a Supply Crate doesn't feel very town to me. Neither does straight up threatening people to vote on someone otherwise you'd use an equipment on them and they'd die within two days; but hey, you're the ones following the lead. Sky said a lot of things, and most of them were lies. I don't really know why she said this. She had already gotten her Supply Crate refilled.

...

It'd be hilarious if mafia were announcing to one another that they were using supply crate on each other. It would also be more reasonable that you struck a deal with her acting as a civy.

A theory: perhaps, in your moment of creating an insider alliance, you offered her another use of Supply Crate with your own Ammo Box or whatnot, giving you guys more options to 'find mafia' (or hell, in your case, find/stop agents and manipulate sky against all other townies).

My own reasoning leads me to (sadly) assume that sky is a threat, and thus I try to keep Dm alive. I ignore the warning signs about you at this point, because, hey, someone is LITERALLY telling everyone via secret BBC personal messages to kill a target and lying to each different person about their motivations. Obviously suspicious at worst, crazy at best. Then THIS (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-52-by-eljoemo/msg1211508/#msg1211508) happens, showing us that you were:

a) accusing everyone under the pretense that lynching sky was all due to the idea that Dm was an Agent
b) ignoring ALL of Dm's counterarguments against you and sky
and c) trying to swing town into killing Dm after he outwardly unveiled a top secret weapon that could basically throw nightkills back at mafia players.
a) Dm was right, that statement was horribly incorrect.
b) From my point of view, either Dm or rob was mafia, and sky was town. Nothing Dm said changed that.
c) See above.


Dm dies. (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-52-by-eljoemo/msg1211718/#msg1211718) Day 3 begi- oh, wait, wait a minute:

I'm just going to assume somebody used a QWMT on sky. Whoever did that, you are terrible.

Rob told me and sky that he was an Agent and Dm was mafia. Dm was not mafia. We are lynching rob.

rob77dp (1) - Linkcat

Immediately, you jump on a bandwagon; fine, rob could very well be mafia, but notice the orange text: instead of the other possibilities of say, Flash Grenade being used, or mafia deciding to target sky (because sky possibly found out who a mafia person was... perhaps someone that was keeping close tabs on her as a personal quartermaster?). And then, you say the yellow text, which I decide to blindly agree with...
Mafia wouldn't have killed sky because that would confirm rob as mafia. Sky was likely going to be lynched today, but actually rob was because of her HACS. If sky found out I was mafia, she would have said it.

Does anyone want to admit to using QWMT?

JonathanCrazyJ says that rob is a mafia (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-52-by-eljoemo/msg1212129/#msg1212129) as well because he couldn't steal anything from him (what?), because Magnet failed on Night 2, and the idea that rob used all of his equipment (including a weapon). But remember my earlier statement in cyan above? rob has ALREADY used some sort of intel-gaining device on the first night if he was being honest. So it couldn't have been a weapon, because only one piece of equipment can be used each night as stated in the rules (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-52-by-eljoemo/).

"All players may only use 1 piece of Equipment per night.
Both Agent Equipment and mafia Weapons are treated as Equipment, unless otherwise specified.
...
The mafia nightkill is treated as a group action and not an Equipment use. Only Equipment that specifies that it affects nightkills will do so. Mafia Weapons are treated as single player actions and Equipment uses.

Read the rules better jcj. :P
I already said this.

Finally to the more recent hour; rob77dp makes a response. (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-52-by-eljoemo/msg1212150/#msg1212150) And then based on recent developments, he used a 'delayed-equipment-effect' (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-52-by-eljoemo/msg1212175/#msg1212175) secret weapon that basically means that if both of them survive, jcj will get non-used equipment on Night... 5? Or whenever. This is irrelevant.

While this does not state that rob is a mafia (since his third item could theoretically be a weapon waiting to be used...), you SUDDENLY just move your vote on me without provocation, with your recent post of:
The provocation was that I found out you were mafia.

Well.
Here's to another day of being a mindless sheeple!

If that's your view, then you're in luck! You get to be mindless sheeple twice in one day. You may remember that Dm said in chat that someone had contacted him claiming that they were an Agent and Kuro was mafia. I was contacted by that same person. While I can't know 100%, I strongly believe this person is real. We are lynching Kuro for a number of reasons.

Again, manipulating Espithel just like you did on Day 1. Then you suddenly insert this new information about Dm getting in contact with an Agent (post or pre death?) and I'm a mafia. You believe this person. Fine - and this new guy is okay because... ? Whatever, moving further on.
That wasn't manipulating Espithel, that was a joke.

[13:24:42] Dm: Also, Kuro is mafia.
[13:24:56] Dm: (At least it's another info I have; can't check the veracity of it)
[13:25:17] Dm: Someone PM'd me the info that Kuro is mafia claiming to be agent, believing me to be town. Can't trust someone out of the blue though.

This guy is right because reasons I can't say.

1. H.A.C.S.  - Holographic Active Camouflauge Suit - This makes you immune to lynches for the next three days as long as you don't vote. The person with the next highest votes is lynched. The one sky got was from the Supply Crate, sorob might have the original. He did vote, but he just has to remove it at the end of the day.
2. Since rob was the one that claimed Agent, if he doesn't have HACS then it's likely that he is not as useful as Kuro.
3. Lynching rob is what the mafia expects us to do.
4. 100% confirms the Agent.

1. You know what, the HACS description makes sense, but if rob has the original 'HACS' (which seems a bit too coincidental, as a person shouldn't be able to start out with two secret weapons as the apparent ITDG was used to avoid Jcj's magnet) and apparently used it on Night 1 (which contradicts the cyan statement), then why did he even bother voting on the second day? Or hell, even today? He wouldn't even have to post, we would have just wasted a day lynch, thanks to your leadership.
TSPs were given out as freely as other equipment. He would use it Night 1 to be safe, because it lasts for three nights. He wasn't being voted on the second day. As I said, he can just remove his vote before the end of this day.
2. rob specifically said in his previous post that he NEVER claimed agent to you. You dismiss his post completely just like Dm's, without even arguing a, "Yes you did! Because etc." - then you go on the point that he isn't as useful as me. What point does that even have if 'we're both muhfia? It doesn't matter if a player is useful or not if they're not even on the same team! And frankly, your assessment can't be verified - for all I know, rob may as well be the one who is in contact with BOTH of the agents and thus is actually the most important person, and you're just a spy inserting yourself into all these contrived areas of interest.
There is no 'because'. He said it to me in a pm. He's not as useful as you because he was the one who revealed himself, and would use up all his equipment. I also announced that rob was mafia in chat during Night 2.
3. OR, it could just be what you initially wanted when working with your team, and then switched tactics when he began countering you (just as other civilians did).
I'm not sure what you mean by this. rob wasn't countering me at all. I switched targets because you were the better lynch.
4. ...if it does, you are not the Agent's best partner.
What?

Mafia is still restricted to one Equipment per night, so rob can't have used all his equipment. I have no idea why something would resist the electromagnet.

flyingcat, I also thought that it wouldn't make sense for mafia to do that. After Dm flipped town I figured it out. They did it for one or both of these reasons.
1. Mafia knew that having sky lead the lynch would look bad for her, and that Dm would be able to out talk her and get her lynched. Dm would be lynched the next day and rob would get away.
2. Rob has HACS, so he would be safe from lynches.

Your comment to jcj is fine regarding equipment usage and rules. But again:
1. A lot of people would have gotten away too actually. You included - the so called 'false agent' may as well be someone else not even in this whole situation, and you would have been next on the lynch list after Dm was confirmed civilian via a Day 3 lynch. But by that time, you probably would have had more people wrapped around your finger to use and play this blame game on.
A lot of people? Who?
2. If rob was truly mafia and used the silly HACS on the first NIGHT, when there was no brewing suspicion that it was him, it would be a bad play for so many reasons now that I think about it:
  • it would contradict his statement towards you about signal jammer not being used
Explained by him being mafia.
  • it wouldn't last him towards the more crucial part of the game (say, I don't know, late game where voting mafia is vital to ensure masses don't get screwed?)
Agreed.
  • and would also be nullified by his voting on non-mafia targets (if again, he was a mafia with HACS).
It doesn't even matter if he's not being lynched.
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More importantly, how do you even know that he got a HACS? Did you use an RFID scanner on it or something? You are incredibly bent on trying to figure out who has the secret weapons, if any, and that seems more than just a power or information grab. skyironsword should have probably known better than to deliver her information regarding HACS to you, but to the final statements.
I wouldn't say I was incredibly bent. Anyone benefits from knowing who has what equipment.

However, they could not have prepared for two things.
1. Dm tried to get himself lynched.
2. I tricked rob into telling me that he was the one who claimed to sky. I suspected that it was him, so I told him that sky had told me that it was him. He admitted it and sky confirmed it. I was talking to rob near the end of the day and he was reluctant to vote on Dm. I told him that if he let sky get lynched then I would give his name to Dm.

1. ...this statement is absurd. Dm wouldn't get himself killed after trying to reveal himself honestly, he just resigned to the fact that you were clearly supporting the masses to follow suit after skyironsword  wanted to get him killed. You played the both of them, and now you're doing it again between us two, and I say screw that.
Your statement is absurd. Dm stated many times in the thread and chat that he wanted to be lynched. He was still voting on himself at the end of the day.
2. And here's the juiciest part.

You just told us you tricked rob into giving a false statement. Apparently, rob never even declared being an agent ever to you OR sky. Without her being able to give any input now, you may as well be lying about her confirming rob being the one who contacted her. But of course - instead, you said you would give rob's name to Dm for punishment if he didn't vote Dm out, and surprise, surprise, once Dm died and your puppet followed suit, you're trying to get rid of the residual evidence of your little circles between sky, Espithel (?) and who knows how many others.
Rob would say that as mafia or town. Again, I announced rob was mafia in chat. I was not coordinating with anyone else besides sky and my mafia partners.

But of course you're just an aggressive townie who's just doing what's right... right?
Right.



TL;DR - NO. Read my explanation people. This is enough evidence for me to switch, and frankly, I can proudly state that I'm not going to sigh this one off. I have conviction this time around, just like I did against UTA during the 'Threxes' based mafia.

rob77dp (8) - kirbylover314, JonathanCrazyJ, Ginyu, ddevans96, flyingcat, worldwideweb3, Espithel, UTAlan
Linkcat (2) - rob77dp, Kuroaitou
Kuroaitou (2) - Linkcat, MeowMeowCat

The problem here is that I can't do a similar analysis of Kuro, because the only thing he's done all game was to be the first to vote on sky, which fits with mafia's plan. It's noteworthy that he's been quiet all game but makes a huge post the moment he's attacked. We aren't going to be able to lynch him, so we're going back to rob.

rob77dp (4) -Ginyu, ddevans96, Espithel, Linkcat
Linkcat (9) - rob77dp, Kuroaitou, MeowMeowCat, worldwideweb3, UTAlan, kirbylover314, flyingcat, RavingRabbid, JonathanCrazyJ

If you think about how I've played this game, and previous games, you'll see that there is no way I'm mafia. Also ask yourself, if I'm mafia, who are my four partners? Even if I was mafia, rob would be one of them. If you lynch me then we're just going to have a repeat of last mafia. This is your chance to make up for it.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: rob77dp on October 25, 2015, 11:40:28 pm
In ~16 hrs I will have good internet and can do some additional comments... Phone reception is so hard here (Sko how do you do it in the middle of nowhere California??).

dd is right on meaning of my "train" earlier.

Making good on this promise now as I will be offline from now until the deadline...

In addition to what I lay out a few posts back, Lc made statements to me regarding Grenade Launcher and targeting that simply do no jive, to me.  Mentioning target and usage of Grenade Launcher (in light of thinking I was toast soon (either NK or this lynch/day phase?)) to me, by Lc, is quite mafia-like since it is a mafia-only weapon.

That is all for now...
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Linkcat on October 25, 2015, 11:45:54 pm
I can't give context without quoting PMs, but this was during one of our chats where rob persistently tried to appear clueless. I joked about Nightkilling and using a Grenade Launcher.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: killsdazombies on October 25, 2015, 11:51:23 pm
rob77dp (5) -Ginyu, ddevans96, Espithel, Linkcat, Killsdazombies
Linkcat (9) - rob77dp, Kuroaitou, MeowMeowCat, worldwideweb3, UTAlan, kirbylover314, flyingcat, RavingRabbid, JonathanCrazyJ
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on October 26, 2015, 12:04:54 am
rob77dp (6) -Ginyu, ddevans96, Espithel, Linkcat, killsdazombies, JonathanCrazyJ
Linkcat (8) - rob77dp, Kuroaitou, MeowMeowCat, worldwideweb3, UTAlan, kirbylover314, flyingcat, RavingRabbid

I have extensively looked back on previous mafias, and Link is playing how he seems to when he is Civvy. His responses to kuros posts, and his explanations to me about our conversations do make sense.
It is also a quite extensive and effort filled essentially character assassination by Kuro now that I re-read it.

I don't know anything. This is the problem, most of us don't. All we can go off is our feelings when we read people's explanations for their actions. I just don't believe Link to be Mafia, and zero activity until targeted is a very mafia style timeline from kuro (though this could be bad timing).

All things considered, I feel like we learn the most by killing rob, and it also sits best with me in terms of gut-feeling.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Espithel on October 26, 2015, 12:08:29 am
rob77dp (5) -Ginyu, ddevans96, Linkcat, Killsdazombies, JonathanCrazyJ
Linkcat (9) - rob77dp, Kuroaitou, MeowMeowCat, worldwideweb3, UTAlan, kirbylover314, flyingcat, RavingRabbid, Espithel

At the very least... Can you stop using "Because I was right last mafia" as a reason? That sounds so hilariously like a last resort that, even if you are correct, such a limp reasoning would never persuade.

And can you stop being a weird person who keeps joking about things yet expects to be taken seriously in some semi-leadership role?

Regardless, if you are so correct, I suppose the muhfia will just nightkill you. Oh wait. I think they've been completely fine with you... And, I suppose, me, because... Well. Stupid people make good chaff.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Linkcat on October 26, 2015, 12:25:03 am
I'm not saying that because I was right last game you should think I'm town. I'm saying that this is playing out similarly, where I try to lynch a town day 2, find two mafia, get lynched instead, and then you'll all go "Oops, we should have listened to Link."
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Ginyu on October 26, 2015, 01:28:36 am
rob77dp (4) - ddevans96, Linkcat, Killsdazombies, JonathanCrazyJ
Linkcat (10) - rob77dp, Kuroaitou, MeowMeowCat, worldwideweb3, UTAlan, kirbylover314, flyingcat, RavingRabbid, Espithel, Ginyu
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Espithel on October 26, 2015, 01:30:47 am
I'm not saying that because I was right last game you should think I'm town. I'm saying that this is playing out similarly, where I try to lynch a town day 2, find two mafia, get lynched instead, and then you'll all go "Oops, we should have listened to Link."

Well, in that case, in mafia 46, Kuro made a huge post like this, and he was 100% correct about UTA being muhfia. And that was just gut feeling as opposed to anything else. Here's an even stronger huge post.

It's playing out similarly here. Probably should listen to Kuro, then.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: ddevans96 on October 26, 2015, 01:56:55 am
I have extensively looked back on previous mafias, and Link is playing how he seems to when he is Civvy.

Yeah, but that's the point of the game if you're mafia, to blend in as a civilian using any legal means necessary. If Linkcat is mafia, then he's doing what he's supposed to do. Not a point either for or against him imo.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: mathman101 on October 26, 2015, 02:11:47 am

rob77dp (4) - ddevans96, Linkcat, Killsdazombies, JonathanCrazyJ
Linkcat (11) - rob77dp, Kuroaitou, MeowMeowCat, worldwideweb3, UTAlan, kirbylover314, flyingcat, RavingRabbid, Espithel, Ginyu, mathman101
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Linkcat on October 26, 2015, 03:00:06 am
Follow these instructions after I die. Kuro and rob are both absolutely 100% confirmed mafia. Lynch Kuro and then rob. Seriously. Once the Agent has found a mafia, they will have someone post in the thread saying who it is. If the person named is not mafia, then they are an impostor. If there are two people who claim this and the second names the first, the second is an impostor. This process will repeat until something obstructs it. Once a mafia is lynched from this, if an Agent dies in the night then the person who posted is most likely mafia, but the second Agent should contact them anyway to connect with the first Agent.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: eljoemo on October 26, 2015, 03:00:16 am
Linkcat flew into the room and slid down behind a nearby crate panting. He was right, he knew he was. He just had to make them see. From down the corridor he heard footsteps and shouts. They were going to kill him. There was no way out this time. "This way!" The footsteps headed in his direction. Spying a better hiding spot, Linkcat slid across the floor and under a desk. The voices were nearly at the door now. Maybe he could reason with them. Maybe he could make them see he was right. They started to come through the door, blocking the only way out. "He's here somewhere. Find him." Footsteps spread across the floor. Maybe they wouldn't get him. Maybe he could get away. Maybe he'd get another second chance. A hand grabbed his leg and dragged him out into the middle of them room. "No escape this time Linkcat."



Linkcat has been lynched.
He was a Civilian. He was carrying an Ammo Box, a Flashlight, and 2 Barricades.


Night 3


Night 3 has ended

NameRoleEquipmentStatus
Kuroaitou??????Alive
MeowMeowCat??????Alive
UTAlan??????Alive
Ginyu??????Alive
rob77dp??????Alive
kirbylover314??????Alive
flyingcat??????Alive
killsdazombies??????Alive
dawn to dusk??????Alive
mathman101??????Alive
RavingRabbid??????Alive
JonathanCrazyJ??????Alive
ddevans96??????Alive
Espithel??????Alive
worldwideweb3??????Alive
LinkcatCivillianAmmo Box, Flashlight, Barricade, BarricadeLynched D3
skyironswordCivillianFlash Grenade, Supply Crate, Defibrillator, H.A.C.S.Nightkilled N2
DmCivilianCombat Knife, Spy Drone, Q.W.M.T.Lynched D2
ZawadxCivilianSignal Jammer, Barricade, FlashlightNightkilled N1
CoffeedittoCivilianDefibrillator, Ammo Box, Combat KnifeLynched D1
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Linkcat on October 26, 2015, 03:04:44 am
You are all terrible.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: eljoemo on October 27, 2015, 12:22:48 am
I just realized, because I'm a spoon, that one piece of Equipment has a mistake in its description which means it does something different than what I orignally intended. Thankfully it hasn't caused a problem yet. I'm not going to correct it at this stage, even if it is wrong and possibly a lot imbalanced. My bad.

There's no real reason for me to tell you all this, but I thought you might want to know.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: eljoemo on October 28, 2015, 03:01:29 am
Lore goes here



killsdazombies has been nightkilled.
He was a Agent. He was carrying a Taser, and a Bugged Microphone.


Day 4


Day 4 has ended

NameRoleEquipmentStatus
Kuroaitou??????Alive
MeowMeowCat??????Alive
UTAlan??????Alive
Ginyu??????Alive
rob77dp??????Alive
kirbylover314??????Alive
flyingcat??????Alive
dawn to dusk??????Alive
mathman101??????Alive
RavingRabbid??????Alive
JonathanCrazyJ??????Alive
ddevans96??????Alive
Espithel??????Alive
worldwideweb3??????Alive
killsdazombiesAgentTaser, Bugged MicrophoneNightkilled N3
LinkcatCivillianAmmo Box, Flashlight, Barricade, BarricadeLynched D3
skyironswordCivillianFlash Grenade, Supply Crate, Defibrillator, H.A.C.S.Nightkilled N2
DmCivilianCombat Knife, Spy Drone, Q.W.M.T.Lynched D2
ZawadxCivilianSignal Jammer, Barricade, FlashlightNightkilled N1
CoffeedittoCivilianDefibrillator, Ammo Box, Combat KnifeLynched D1
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: flyingcat on October 28, 2015, 04:04:19 am
So lynch kuro and if he's mafia then lynch rob?

Kuroaitou (1)- flyingcat
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: ddevans96 on October 28, 2015, 04:16:00 am
Kuroaitou (2) - flyingcat, ddevans96

Yep, best to listen to Link at this point.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: kirbylover314 on October 28, 2015, 04:16:58 am
Kuroaitou (33) - flyingcat, ddevans96, kirbylover314
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Solaris on October 28, 2015, 04:17:37 am
Kuroaitou (4) - flyingcat, ddevans96, kirbylover314, MeowMeowCat
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Kuroaitou on October 28, 2015, 04:28:17 am
Okay. Hold up.  :o

I understand that my outburst yesterday was probably really, REALLY, bad, but I assure you, neither of us are mafia, and if anything, Linkcat's instructions thorughout the past few days have been to simply listen to sky's original advice, which was faulty at best, and completely disastrous at worst.

Kuroaitou (4) - flyingcat, ddevans96, kirbylover314, MeowMeowCat
flyingcat (1) - Kuroaitou

This is just an OMGUS vote, but whatever. I know I'm not a mafia. :(
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Ginyu on October 28, 2015, 10:18:11 am
Kuroaitou (5) - flyingcat, ddevans96, kirbylover314, MeowMeowCat, Ginyu
flyingcat (1) - Kuroaitou
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: UTAlan on October 28, 2015, 01:30:02 pm
Kuroaitou (6) - flyingcat, ddevans96, kirbylover314, MeowMeowCat, Ginyu, UTAlan
flyingcat (1) - Kuroaitou

Sorry Kuro. If you are civvy, I'm sure you understand why it has to go this way.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on October 28, 2015, 01:34:52 pm

Kuroaitou (7) - flyingcat, ddevans96, kirbylover314, MeowMeowCat, Ginyu, UTAlan, JonathanCrazyJ
flyingcat (1) - Kuroaitou

Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: rob77dp on October 28, 2015, 03:30:45 pm
Somebody please tell us that kdz had some confirmed civilians that all know each other are confirmed and have a plan being put together.  This is getting out of hand now with still 5 mafia left possibly having all 5 weapon-kills remaining as well.

We're now down to one agent... agent -- keep doing your thing!

If you were contacted or coordinated with by kdz then please please put something here with some logic as to help town follow it.  I'm not convinced Kuro is mafia since Lc is really the one pushing a Kuro lynch this day (initiated by flyingcat) and Lc is already wrong (sadly I don't have 'proof' beyond the fact I _know_ I am not mafia) about my half of his Kuro/rob lynch duo.

I'll be back at some time to look into what anyone else posts as sound logic or a plan for today's lynch and caution against simply jumping on the Kuro vote-wagon just because Lc said to (last mafia game was last game and is not this one!).
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: worldwideweb3 on October 28, 2015, 04:02:32 pm
Vote on Kuro.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: iancudorinmarian on October 28, 2015, 04:10:58 pm
Kuroaitou (8) - flyingcat, ddevans96, kirbylover314, MeowMeowCat, Ginyu, UTAlan, JonathanCrazyJ, worldwideweb3
flyingcat (1) - Kuroaitou
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: eljoemo on October 30, 2015, 03:03:10 am
When they were looking for him, he did not try to hide. When they found him, he did not try to run. When they bound his wrists and ankles, he did not struggle. When they beat him, he did not fight back. When they found a length of rope for him, he did not flinch. He had chosen this life. He knew it could only end this way, be it now or later. When they choked the life out of Kuroaitou, he died without a single word.



Kuroaitou has been lynched.
He was a Mafia. He was carrying a Tommy Gun, a set of Zip Ties, and a peculiar gizmo labelled I.T.D.G.


Night 4


Night 4 has ended

NameRoleEquipmentStatus
MeowMeowCat??????Alive
UTAlan??????Alive
Ginyu??????Alive
rob77dp??????Alive
kirbylover314??????Alive
flyingcat??????Alive
dawn to dusk??????Alive
mathman101??????Alive
RavingRabbid??????Alive
JonathanCrazyJ??????Alive
ddevans96??????Alive
Espithel??????Alive
worldwideweb3??????Alive
KuroaitouMafiaTommy Gun, I.T.D.G., Zip TiesLynched D4
killsdazombiesAgentTaser, Bugged MicrophoneNightkilled N3
LinkcatCivillianAmmo Box, Flashlight, Barricade, BarricadeLynched D3
skyironswordCivillianFlash Grenade, Supply Crate, Defibrillator, H.A.C.S.Nightkilled N2
DmCivilianCombat Knife, Spy Drone, Q.W.M.T.Lynched D2
ZawadxCivilianSignal Jammer, Barricade, FlashlightNightkilled N1
CoffeedittoCivilianDefibrillator, Ammo Box, Combat KnifeLynched D1
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Kuroaitou on October 30, 2015, 03:06:53 am
My life for Aiur.

*dies*



PRE-EDIT: Hold up, I'm not even mafia. D:
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: eljoemo on November 01, 2015, 02:32:04 am
Apparently there's some kind of festivity going on, small people keep begging food off me. Weird. So I'm going to have to extend the timer by another 2 hours, sorry everyone.

Happy Hallowe'en
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: eljoemo on November 01, 2015, 05:01:24 am
mathman101 suddenly woke up.
Woke up? Why was I asleep? Why does my head hurt?
He tried to look around, still dazed.
It's really dark in here. Where even is here? My head really hurts.
His eyes started to adjust to the dark; the room began to reveal itself.
I'm sat on a chair. Did I fall asleep in a chair? No. Can I get up?
He tried to stand, but ropes kept him in place.
I'm tied up! Someone knocked me out and tied me up. It must have been the intruders!
Just then the room burst into light, blinding him for a moment. He could barely make out a figure walking towards him.
Who's this? Is this the one that tied me up? Oh I'm gonna kill him.
"Sorry about the head. That looks pretty nasty."
I knew my head was hurting! Wait, does he know who I am? There's no way he could know.
"Look, we know who you are."
Crap! He knows who I am. Well maybe he isn't going to kill me.
"And that means we're going to have to kill you."
Double crap. There's got to be a way of this. Think math, think.
"There's absolutely no way out of this."
Did I bring my pliers? Or did I leave them in the car? Could I wiggle free? Is there a lazer in my watch?
He pulled a gun from his belt. "Goodbye Agent."
Oh this isn't fair!



mathman101 has been nightkilled.
He was an Agent. He was carrying a Taser and a Bugged Microphone.


Day 5


Day 5 has ended

dawn to dusk must vote today to avoid being mod killed.

NameRoleEquipmentStatus
MeowMeowCat??????Alive
UTAlan??????Alive
Ginyu??????Alive
rob77dp??????Alive
kirbylover314??????Alive
flyingcat??????Alive
dawn to dusk??????Alive
RavingRabbid??????Alive
JonathanCrazyJ??????Alive
ddevans96??????Alive
Espithel??????Alive
worldwideweb3??????Alive
mathman101AgentTaser, Bugged MicrophoneNightkilled N4
KuroaitouMafiaTommy Gun, I.T.D.G., Zip TiesLynched D4
killsdazombiesAgentTaser, Bugged MicrophoneNightkilled N3
LinkcatCivillianAmmo Box, Flashlight, Barricade, BarricadeLynched D3
skyironswordCivillianFlash Grenade, Supply Crate, Defibrillator, H.A.C.S.Nightkilled N2
DmCivilianCombat Knife, Spy Drone, Q.W.M.T.Lynched D2
ZawadxCivilianSignal Jammer, Barricade, FlashlightNightkilled N1
CoffeedittoCivilianDefibrillator, Ammo Box, Combat KnifeLynched D1
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: UTAlan on November 01, 2015, 05:12:17 am
You've gotta be kidding me.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: flyingcat on November 01, 2015, 05:29:31 am
Well, looks like rob is mafia too then

rob77dp(1)- flyingcat
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: mathman101 on November 01, 2015, 06:20:44 am
Thanks mafia!

To be nightkilled on Halloween, what a treat... or trick I suppose  :P

Best of luck to the rest of everyone finding the mafia.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: rob77dp on November 01, 2015, 07:36:07 am
Well, looks like rob is mafia too then
rob77dp(1)- flyingcat
flyingcat(1)- rob77dp

Please explain, flyingcat...

Both agents gone and only Kuro killed from five mafia means bad odds for town now. Lynching me means killing the (one of the) least active civs.  I advise an agent to be pro active and help town course who to vote... Oh wait both agents stored without hardly posting at all?  :-[
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: flyingcat on November 01, 2015, 02:06:51 pm
Linkcat was right about Kuro, I figure chances are he's also right about you as well.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on November 01, 2015, 02:44:05 pm
rob77dp(2)- flyingcat, JonathanCrazyJ
flyingcat(1)- rob77dp

Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Ginyu on November 01, 2015, 04:30:14 pm
rob77dp(2)- flyingcat, JonathanCrazyJ, Ginyu
flyingcat(1)- rob77dp

Linkcat said he had contact to an Agent, and was right about Kuro. His other guess is the best choice.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Ginyu on November 01, 2015, 04:30:35 pm
rob77dp(3)- flyingcat, JonathanCrazyJ, Ginyu
flyingcat(1)- rob77dp

fixed
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Solaris on November 01, 2015, 04:38:53 pm
rob77dp (4) - flyingcat, JonathanCrazyJ, Ginyu, MeowMeowCat
flyingcat (1)- rob77dp

As stated before, Linkcat was pretty adamant that you were mafia, as well as Kuro. Kuro was, so I don't see why he wasn't right about you too.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Solaris on November 01, 2015, 04:43:10 pm
EBWOP 'as well as Kuro' meaning that he was adamant about Kuro being mafia
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: worldwideweb3 on November 01, 2015, 05:18:27 pm
rob77dp (5) - flyingcat, JonathanCrazyJ, Ginyu, MeowMeowCat, worldwideweb3
flyingcat (1)- rob77dp


Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: kirbylover314 on November 01, 2015, 05:22:41 pm
rob77dp (6) - flyingcat, JonathanCrazyJ, Ginyu, MeowMeowCat, worldwideweb3, kirbylover314
flyingcat (1)- rob77dp
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: RavingRabbid on November 01, 2015, 05:39:38 pm
rob77dp (7) - flyingcat, JonathanCrazyJ, Ginyu, MeowMeowCat, worldwideweb3, kirbylover314, RavingRabbid
flyingcat (1)- rob77dp
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: UTAlan on November 01, 2015, 09:56:03 pm
rob77dp (8) - flyingcat, JonathanCrazyJ, Ginyu, MeowMeowCat, worldwideweb3, kirbylover314, RavingRabbid, UTAlan
flyingcat (1)- rob77dp
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: rob77dp on November 01, 2015, 10:12:47 pm
Whelp, nicely played mafia... Kuro led you well.  Active mafia will almost always beat out lazy town. *sigh*
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: ddevans96 on November 01, 2015, 10:26:51 pm
rob77dp (9) - flyingcat, JonathanCrazyJ, Ginyu, MeowMeowCat, worldwideweb3, kirbylover314, RavingRabbid, UTAlan, ddevans96
flyingcat (1)- rob77dp

Yeah, with Link being right about Kuro, this is definitely an easy choice.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Espithel on November 02, 2015, 05:54:53 am
rob77dp (10) - flyingcat, JonathanCrazyJ, Ginyu, MeowMeowCat, worldwideweb3, kirbylover314, RavingRabbid, UTAlan, ddevans96, Espithel
flyingcat (1)- rob77dp
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: eljoemo on November 03, 2015, 03:34:05 am
I'm gonna be honest, I totally forgot mafia was a thing. So bear with me a bit here.



rob77dp has been lynched.
He was a Civillian. He was carrying a RFID Scanner, and a peculiar gizmo labelled I.T.D.G.

dawn to dusk has been mod killed.
He was a Civillian. He was carrying a RFID Scanner, a Flash Grenade, and a strange box marked Q.W.M.T.




Night 5


Night 5 has ended

NameRoleEquipmentStatus
MeowMeowCat??????Alive
UTAlan??????Alive
Ginyu??????Alive
kirbylover314??????Alive
flyingcat??????Alive
RavingRabbid??????Alive
JonathanCrazyJ??????Alive
ddevans96??????Alive
Espithel??????Alive
worldwideweb3??????Alive
rob77dpCivilianI.T.D.G., RFID ScannerLynched D5
dawn to duskCivillianQ.W.M.T., RFID Scanner, Flash GrenadeMod killed D5
mathman101AgentTaser, Bugged MicrophoneNightkilled N4
KuroaitouMafiaTommy Gun, I.T.D.G., Zip TiesLynched D4
killsdazombiesAgentTaser, Bugged MicrophoneNightkilled N3
LinkcatCivillianAmmo Box, Flashlight, Barricade, BarricadeLynched D3
skyironswordCivillianFlash Grenade, Supply Crate, Defibrillator, H.A.C.S.Nightkilled N2
DmCivilianCombat Knife, Spy Drone, Q.W.M.T.Lynched D2
ZawadxCivilianSignal Jammer, Barricade, FlashlightNightkilled N1
CoffeedittoCivilianDefibrillator, Ammo Box, Combat KnifeLynched D1
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: rob77dp on November 03, 2015, 04:38:18 am
Best of luck town.  Your margin for error, I think, is now zero if not nearly impossible.

/me shakes fists skyward and with his last dying breath vows to move on to War prep.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: eljoemo on November 05, 2015, 03:10:16 am
As worldwideweb traversed the halls,
At 20 after 1,
He heard a sound, "Who's there?" he called.
An answer, there came none.

He listened close to find the source.
Aha! That sound once more.
He followed it, and this new course,
Led to an open door.

He sneaked inside, the room was bare,
and empty. "What a waste,
of time," he said "There's nothing there."
Distrust upon his face.

He turned to leave the room behind.
Maybe he'd have a nap.
But one thought could not leave his mind:
Could this have been a trap?

But before he could leave the room,
Someone came in instead.
He saw the gun and heard the BOOM!
And worldwideweb was dead.




worldwideweb3 has been nightkilled.
He was a Civillian. He was carrying a Spy Drone, an Electromagnet, a strange box marked Q.W.M.T., and a weird object with H.A.C.S. written on it.




Day 6


Day 6 has ended

NameRoleEquipmentStatus
MeowMeowCat??????Alive
UTAlan??????Alive
Ginyu??????Alive
kirbylover314??????Alive
flyingcat??????Alive
RavingRabbid??????Alive
JonathanCrazyJ??????Alive
ddevans96??????Alive
Espithel??????Alive
worldwideweb3CivilianSpy Drone, Q.W.M.T., Electromagnet, H.A.C.S.Nightkilled N5
rob77dpCivilianI.T.D.G., RFID ScannerLynched D5
dawn to duskCivillianQ.W.M.T., RFID Scanner, Flash GrenadeMod killed D5
mathman101AgentTaser, Bugged MicrophoneNightkilled N4
KuroaitouMafiaTommy Gun, I.T.D.G., Zip TiesLynched D4
killsdazombiesAgentTaser, Bugged MicrophoneNightkilled N3
LinkcatCivillianAmmo Box, Flashlight, Barricade, BarricadeLynched D3
skyironswordCivillianFlash Grenade, Supply Crate, Defibrillator, H.A.C.S.Nightkilled N2
DmCivilianCombat Knife, Spy Drone, Q.W.M.T.Lynched D2
ZawadxCivilianSignal Jammer, Barricade, FlashlightNightkilled N1
CoffeedittoCivilianDefibrillator, Ammo Box, Combat KnifeLynched D1



Question: Would it be okay to shorten the phases (or at least the night phase) to just 1 day, since we're approaching the end now?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Solaris on November 05, 2015, 03:11:13 am
Yeah, 24 hour days should be fine IMO.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: UTAlan on November 05, 2015, 04:20:59 am
Anyone have any leads? :/
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Espithel on November 05, 2015, 06:46:56 am
Answer for Eljoe: No. >:U

I'd just like to point out that there's five mufias (WHY ARE THERE FIVE MURFEARS), we've lynched one, and there's now four of them.

This is Lynch or Lose, guys. And we're all "does anyone have any leads"?

Well.

Espithel (1) - Espithel

I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Ginyu on November 05, 2015, 08:43:49 am
My Motion Sensor told me that RavingRabbid targetted www3 with equipment this night. It can be anything, but also a mafia weapon. Unless we get something better:

Espithel (1) - Espithel
RavingRabbid (1) - Ginyu
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on November 05, 2015, 10:24:02 am
Espithel (1) - Espithel
RavingRabbid (2) - Ginyu, JonathanCrazyJ

Best we're gonna get at this point
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: flyingcat on November 05, 2015, 01:21:13 pm
Espithel (1) - Espithel
RavingRabbid (2) - Ginyu, JonathanCrazyJ
flyingcat (1) - flyingcat

Placeholder vote. Waiting until we get a bit more information, since following Link didn't work out so well x.x
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: UTAlan on November 05, 2015, 01:34:02 pm
More than anything I have.

Espithel (1) - Espithel
RavingRabbid (3) - Ginyu, JonathanCrazyJ, UTAlan
flyingcat (1) - flyingcat
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: RavingRabbid on November 05, 2015, 08:02:48 pm
My equipment use on www3 was a defibrillator, which I still have.

Since we're on a clock, I tried to make a big play (that could've horribly backfired).
Worst case scenario: www3 is a civ, and he doesn't get lynched/killed. He dies 2 turns later. I lose the game for everyone
Worst case scenario 2: www3 is mafia, and he gets lynched. I lose the game for everyone.
Eh case scenario: www3 is a civ, he gets lynched. We get one more shot.
Average case scenario: www3 is civ, he doesn't gets nightkilled. We have to kill more mafia.
Best case scenario: www3 is mafia, he doesn't get lynched. We're 3v1 on the last day.

I have no idea on whoever's mafia.
I can see why you are lynching me, and I don't blame you for it.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: ddevans96 on November 05, 2015, 11:37:45 pm
Espithel (1) - Espithel
RavingRabbid (4) - Ginyu, JonathanCrazyJ, UTAlan, ddevans96
flyingcat (1) - flyingcat

Yeah, this is the most logical option we have right now. Raving's reasoning feels like it has some holes in it.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: flyingcat on November 06, 2015, 12:18:29 am
Espithel (1) - Espithel
RavingRabbid (5) - Ginyu, JonathanCrazyJ, UTAlan, ddevans96, flyingcat

I don't quite see how defib would have helped all that much, seems likely that it was a muhfia weapon.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: kirbylover314 on November 06, 2015, 12:20:26 am
Espithel (1) - Espithel
RavingRabbid (6) - Ginyu, JonathanCrazyJ, UTAlan, ddevans96, flyingcat, kirbylover314
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Solaris on November 06, 2015, 01:07:19 am
Espithel (1) - Espithel
RavingRabbid (7) - Ginyu, JonathanCrazyJ, UTAlan, ddevans96, flyingcat, kirbylover314, MeowMeowCat
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: eljoemo on November 06, 2015, 02:54:08 am
MMC says yes, Espithel says no. Anyone else have an opinion on shorter phases?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Dm on November 06, 2015, 04:44:51 am
Given mafia 53 is up I would go with yes, however I am not alive nor a remaining person within this mafia. By checking the activity almost everyone is able to vote properly before 24 hours are up, so I do not believe it would be uncomfortable for them.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: RavingRabbid on November 06, 2015, 06:28:08 am
Well. There is no reason to discuss, this mafia's over anyways. Gg wp mafia
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: eljoemo on November 07, 2015, 03:00:44 am
Let's be honest, I ran out of lore after the 2nd day.



RavingRabbid has been lynched.
He was a Mafia. He was carrying a Grenade Launcher, a Supply Crate, a Flash Grenade, a Defibrillator, and a Flashlight.




Night 6


Night 6 has ended

NameRoleEquipmentStatus
MeowMeowCat??????Alive
UTAlan??????Alive
Ginyu??????Alive
kirbylover314??????Alive
flyingcat??????Alive
JonathanCrazyJ??????Alive
ddevans96??????Alive
Espithel??????Alive
RavingRabbidMafiaGrenade Launcher, Supply Crate, Flash Grenade, Defibrillator, FlashlightLynched D6
worldwideweb3CivilianSpy Drone, Q.W.M.T., Electromagnet, H.A.C.S.Nightkilled N5
rob77dpCivilianI.T.D.G., RFID ScannerLynched D5
dawn to duskCivillianQ.W.M.T., RFID Scanner, Flash GrenadeMod killed D5
mathman101AgentTaser, Bugged MicrophoneNightkilled N4
KuroaitouMafiaTommy Gun, I.T.D.G., Zip TiesLynched D4
killsdazombiesAgentTaser, Bugged MicrophoneNightkilled N3
LinkcatCivillianAmmo Box, Flashlight, Barricade, BarricadeLynched D3
skyironswordCivillianFlash Grenade, Supply Crate, Defibrillator, H.A.C.S.Nightkilled N2
DmCivilianCombat Knife, Spy Drone, Q.W.M.T.Lynched D2
ZawadxCivilianSignal Jammer, Barricade, FlashlightNightkilled N1
CoffeedittoCivilianDefibrillator, Ammo Box, Combat KnifeLynched D1



As of now, all phases (Day and Night) will be 24 hours. I also will not declare a Mafia win until it is completely impossible for the Civilians to win.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: RavingRabbid on November 07, 2015, 08:28:24 am
wait. what.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: eljoemo on November 08, 2015, 03:02:16 am
flyingcat was understandably very jumpy. Still, I feel he may have over-reacted when UTAlan came and asked how he was doing.



UTAlan has been killed by flyingcat's Combat Knife.
He was a Civillian. He was carrying an Electromagnet, a Defibrillator, a Signal Jammer, and a Barricade.




Day 7


Day 7 has ended

NameRoleEquipmentStatus
MeowMeowCat??????Alive
Ginyu??????Alive
kirbylover314??????Alive
flyingcat??????Alive
JonathanCrazyJ??????Alive
ddevans96??????Alive
Espithel??????Alive
UTAlanCivillianElectromagnet, Defibrillator, Signal Jammer, BarricadeCombat Knife N6
RavingRabbidMafiaGrenade Launcher, Supply Crate, Flash Grenade, Defibrillator, FlashlightLynched D6
worldwideweb3CivilianSpy Drone, Q.W.M.T., Electromagnet, H.A.C.S.Nightkilled N5
rob77dpCivilianI.T.D.G., RFID ScannerLynched D5
dawn to duskCivillianQ.W.M.T., RFID Scanner, Flash GrenadeMod killed D5
mathman101AgentTaser, Bugged MicrophoneNightkilled N4
KuroaitouMafiaTommy Gun, I.T.D.G., Zip TiesLynched D4
killsdazombiesAgentTaser, Bugged MicrophoneNightkilled N3
LinkcatCivillianAmmo Box, Flashlight, Barricade, BarricadeLynched D3
skyironswordCivillianFlash Grenade, Supply Crate, Defibrillator, H.A.C.S.Nightkilled N2
DmCivilianCombat Knife, Spy Drone, Q.W.M.T.Lynched D2
ZawadxCivilianSignal Jammer, Barricade, FlashlightNightkilled N1
CoffeedittoCivilianDefibrillator, Ammo Box, Combat KnifeLynched D1
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Solaris on November 08, 2015, 03:33:16 am
kirbylover314 (1) - MeowMeowCat
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: ddevans96 on November 08, 2015, 04:18:06 am
kirbylover314 (2) - MeowMeowCat, ddevans96
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on November 08, 2015, 09:51:45 am
A) why kirby
B) why did FC combat knife UTA?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Ginyu on November 08, 2015, 10:31:00 am
Wait, suddenly 24 hours?
Great, so my last chance of distributing something has gone.

Imo, Blow Dart was used and mafia controls the voting now. That is also the reason why no one was nightkilled. I could be sure if I had the chance to use my equipment, but it doesn't matter anyway.
I suspected dd96 yesterday already, as he used his flash grenade right when the mafia weapon was used that couldn't be redirected.

So yeah, we lost in an unbalanced battle.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Espithel on November 08, 2015, 10:45:17 am
kirbylover314 (2) - MeowMeowCat, ddevans96
MeowMeowCat (1) - Espithel

I also used motion sensor last night.

Flyingcat used equipment without a target, and UTA used equipment on FC, and Meow used equipment on Ginyu.

There are three possibilities:

Meow is Mafia and used the blowdart on Ginyu.
Ginyu is Mafia and Meow interrupted him.
The Mafia didn't use anything last night, making this a dead lead.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Ginyu on November 08, 2015, 11:44:22 am
Does me not voting blocks the vote somehow, or is there nothing I can do against that?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: flyingcat on November 08, 2015, 12:24:31 pm
A) why kirby
B) why did FC combat knife UTA?
A. No clue
B. Because I've been using knife every night since night 4.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: flyingcat on November 08, 2015, 12:25:15 pm
kirbylover314 (3) - MeowMeowCat, ddevans96, flyingcat
MeowMeowCat (1) - Espithel

Because I want to vote on kirby again... and because I'll change my vote later.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on November 08, 2015, 01:48:17 pm

kirbylover314 (3) - MeowMeowCat, ddevans96, flyingcat
MeowMeowCat (2) - Espithel, JonathanCrazyJ

Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Ginyu on November 08, 2015, 05:28:24 pm
So, there we have our 3 remaining mafias.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: kirbylover314 on November 08, 2015, 06:02:25 pm
kirbylover314 (3) - MeowMeowCat, ddevans96, flyingcat
MeowMeowCat (3) - Espithel, JonathanCrazy, kirbylover314
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: eljoemo on November 09, 2015, 03:13:18 am
On one side of the room stood Ginyu, kirbylover314, JonathanCrazyJ and Espithel. On the other side stood the 3 remaining Mafia. Only one side would leave this room alive. Espithel spoke out, "It's over, we know who you are now. There's no way you can get away now." The leader of the Mafia smirked  and stepped forwards. "Your ignorance is matched only by how stupid you're going to look in about 2 minutes."
"You are so arrogant! You're nothing but a crook and a murderer!" kirbylover314 burst out, "You are going to pay for killing our friends. Look around, we outnumber you."
"Oh do you now. Why don't you ask Ginyu about that?" They looked over at Ginyu. He stood forcibly upright. Every muscle in his body was tensed, but locked in place. He stared straight ahead, not even blinking. Beads of sweat formed on his head and rolled down his face without him even moving. "Why don't we see if Ginyu is still on your side?" The Leader asked.
Still Ginyu did not move. "Ginyu? Are you okay?" kirbylover314 asked, but Ginyu would not break his unnatural stiffness. kirbylover314 turned to the Leader, "What have you done to him?"
"We gave him a little something to make him a little more... useful." He paused to let out a small chuckle. Then his face straightened "Ginyu, I want you to kill kirby."

Ginyu turned toward kirbylover314, almost mechanically. He started taking heavy steps forwards. "Ginyu, what are you doing?" kirbylover314 said as he backed up, "Ginyu don't listen to them." Ginyu reached out a grabbed kirbylover314's throat. Possessed with inhuman strength, Ginyu lifted him into the air. "Ginyu... S-Stop!" It didn't take long for kirbylover314's failing legs to stop moving. Ginyu dropped the body to the ground and then stood perfectly still before collapsing to the ground himself. Both of them were dead.

"Now that just leaves you two." Espithel and JonathanCrazyJ still stared horrified at the two corpses. The leader turned around to his men. "Kill them."




THE MAFIA HAS WON



NameRoleEquipmentStatus
MeowMeowCatMafiaBlow Dart, Ammo Box, Spy Drone, I.T.D.G.Alive
flyingcatMafiaHarpoon, Combat Knife, BarricadeAlive
ddevans96MafiaFlamethrower, Motion Sensor, Signal Jammer, Flash GrenadeAlive
JonathanCrazyJCivillianI.T.D.G., Electromagnet, Defibrillator, Zip TiesAlive
EspithelCivillianH.A.C.S., Motion Sensor, FlashlightAlive
kirbylover314CivillianSupply Crate, Zip TiesLynched D7
GinyuCivillianH.A.C.S., RFID Scanner, Motion SensorNightkilled N6
UTAlanCivillianElectromagnet, Defibrillator, Signal Jammer, BarricadeCombat Knife N6
RavingRabbidMafiaGrenade Launcher, Supply Crate, Flash Grenade, Defibrillator, FlashlightLynched D6
worldwideweb3CivilianSpy Drone, Q.W.M.T., Electromagnet, H.A.C.S.Nightkilled N5
rob77dpCivilianI.T.D.G., RFID ScannerLynched D5
dawn to duskCivillianQ.W.M.T., RFID Scanner, Flash GrenadeMod killed D5
mathman101AgentTaser, Bugged MicrophoneNightkilled N4
KuroaitouMafiaTommy Gun, I.T.D.G., Zip TiesLynched D4
killsdazombiesAgentTaser, Bugged MicrophoneNightkilled N3
LinkcatCivillianAmmo Box, Flashlight, Barricade, BarricadeLynched D3
skyironswordCivillianFlash Grenade, Supply Crate, Defibrillator, H.A.C.S.Nightkilled N2
DmCivilianCombat Knife, Spy Drone, Q.W.M.T.Lynched D2
ZawadxCivilianSignal Jammer, Barricade, FlashlightNightkilled N1
CoffeedittoCivilianDefibrillator, Ammo Box, Combat KnifeLynched D1

Holographic Active Camouflage Suit - (1U) For the next 3 day phases, if you do not vote, you will be immune to lynching (if you have the highest vote total, the player with the second highest will be lynched instead).

Induced Timeline Distortion Generator - (1U) Any Equipment that the target player attempts to use and any Equipment use / nightkill that would affect them this night will instead happen 2 nights from now.

Quantum Wormhole Manipulation Teleporter - (1U) Tonight's nightkill / Mafia Weapon use is redirected from its original target to a new target player.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Solaris on November 09, 2015, 03:17:16 am
GG, ladies and gents. It was fun.  ;D
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Linkcat on November 09, 2015, 03:18:25 am
(http://imgur.com/xFaaGFc.png)

Yup.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Kuroaitou on November 09, 2015, 03:38:35 am
\ :D /

Hoorayz.

On a side note, that character assassination towards Linkcat was totally too intense. D: I can't believe I spent hours trying to find all potential excuses against him, and for that, I'm both sorry and determined to never do that again. X_x
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: ddevans96 on November 09, 2015, 03:44:16 am
gg :3 Nice to be back, lol
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Linkcat on November 09, 2015, 03:51:08 am
Kuro, your post was totally fine, and pretty effective because a lot of people will just go along with huge posts like that. Good job.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: flyingcat on November 09, 2015, 03:56:14 am
gg. Sorry to mafia members for going on pad like once every 3 days...  :-[
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: UTAlan on November 09, 2015, 04:03:32 am
At least I figured out one mafia before we lost -_-
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: rob77dp on November 09, 2015, 05:06:32 am
Whelp, nicely played mafia... Kuro led you well.  Active mafia will almost always beat out lazy bad town. *sigh*

Minor tweak of this post from a week ago sums it up for me (I initially went with "lazy" because "terri-bad" seemed harsh not knowing the outcome - the outcome confirms terri-bad town).
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Submachine on November 09, 2015, 07:47:17 am
I followed the actions a bit and I'd like to share some constructive criticism, eljoe.

The main problem is that mafia laid back and had to worry about nothing. Making everything 1U for the civvies discourages them from using their more useful items. Even if they would use their 1U items, chances are that they would not do any good during that night and after it's used, mafia can continue to lay back and do nothing.
The agent items were good ideas, you should have included more of them.

Another problem I saw were the mafia weapons. It would have been better to change them simply for normal equipment or give weapons for civvies too. Remember that you didn't give mafia anything to worry about, why did you give them extra firepower? I think mafia should have only 1-2 normal equipment and nothing else.

Third thing I noticed that there were no ways to confirm secret prototypes. Halfway during the game I asked some players if they figured out what the prototypes do and then I asked if they can confirm it. They couldn't. This made the game even more mafia-sided. - A solution for this would have been to reveal secret prototype ability once a person died with one.

And for last, the number of mafia. You declared that there would be 5 mafia players even before you knew how many players you will have. This is bad, because M=mafia should be determined by P=players. In a balanced ruleset, M=(P-2)/4 is usually a good formula (M always rounded down), but in mafia-sided games like Mafia 52 and 51, extra penalty for mafia is due, thus following: M=[(P-2)/4]-1. So in this mafia, there should have been only 3-4 mafia, and not 5.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: RavingRabbid on November 09, 2015, 09:00:37 am
Wait i was mafia?
Woo!
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: ddevans96 on November 09, 2015, 09:30:11 am
The main problem is that mafia laid back and had to worry about nothing.

What causes you to make this assumption?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Submachine on November 09, 2015, 09:33:26 am
The main problem is that mafia laid back and had to worry about nothing.

What causes you to make this assumption?
The game setup.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Dm on November 09, 2015, 10:27:36 am
Congratulations to mafia
Winning against 7 mafia players is pretty hard.

Also congratulations to Link and Sky for being the second worst civilians I have ever seen.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Ginyu on November 09, 2015, 11:22:42 am
Congratulations to mafia
Winning against 7 mafia players is pretty hard.

Also congratulations to Dm and Sky for being the second worst civilians I have ever seen.

Fixed.
Congratz, Mafia. Well played.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Dm on November 09, 2015, 01:34:01 pm
Congratulations to mafia
Winning against 7 mafia players is pretty hard.

Also congratulations to Dm and Sky for being the second worst civilians I have ever seen.

Fixed.
Congratz, Mafia. Well played.

Yeah, I was so bad
I only provided statistics that backed up my claim and told everyone about a special equipment you should've used to win the game
God damn I'm so bad for proving that their plan was wrong and showing how statistically impossible it was for something to happen
Dear me, God forbid I ever show anyone how they're wrong through nothing but raw math ever again
I should probably stop telling people what to do after I die since they don't follow it anyway even though following my plan would have reduced 3 town deaths

Sorry guys, I lost this game
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: CrockettRocket on November 09, 2015, 01:51:06 pm
I wouln't happen to be the worst, right?  ::)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Dm on November 09, 2015, 01:52:34 pm
I wouln't happen to be the worst, right?  ::)

Mafia 37 was bad, but no, you're not the worst, you got better after single handedly losing that one.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: CrockettRocket on November 09, 2015, 01:53:36 pm
I wouln't happen to be the worst, right?  ::)

Mafia 37 was bad, but no, you're not the worst, you got better after single handedly -winning- that one.
Fixed
I at least beat someone, including myself. xD
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Dm on November 09, 2015, 01:54:34 pm
Well, you won it for mafia, I guess. That's one way to look at it.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: eljoemo on November 09, 2015, 03:09:26 pm
I followed the actions a bit and I'd like to share some constructive criticism, eljoe.

The main problem is that mafia laid back and had to worry about nothing. Making everything 1U for the civvies discourages them from using their more useful items. Even if they would use their 1U items, chances are that they would not do any good during that night and after it's used, mafia can continue to lay back and do nothing.
The agent items were good ideas, you should have included more of them.

Another problem I saw were the mafia weapons. It would have been better to change them simply for normal equipment or give weapons for civvies too. Remember that you didn't give mafia anything to worry about, why did you give them extra firepower? I think mafia should have only 1-2 normal equipment and nothing else.

Third thing I noticed that there were no ways to confirm secret prototypes. Halfway during the game I asked some players if they figured out what the prototypes do and then I asked if they can confirm it. They couldn't. This made the game even more mafia-sided. - A solution for this would have been to reveal secret prototype ability once a person died with one.

And for last, the number of mafia. You declared that there would be 5 mafia players even before you knew how many players you will have. This is bad, because M=mafia should be determined by P=players. In a balanced ruleset, M=(P-2)/4 is usually a good formula (M always rounded down), but in mafia-sided games like Mafia 52 and 51, extra penalty for mafia is due, thus following: M=[(P-2)/4]-1. So in this mafia, there should have been only 3-4 mafia, and not 5.

All of this is fair criticism. Honestly, I just threw Mafia at the wall to see what would stick with this rule set. Apparently not much of it did :D But at least now we know. I will say a few things in my defense though.

I was expecting more signups that I actually got. Mafias 49, 50 and 51 had 30, 27 and 27 players respectively. I tried somewhat to make my rules work for an equally large group but then got one dramatically smaller. I didn't really want to change the rules once they were posted and figured this setup could still work with only 20 signups.

I was also expecting a lot more Equipment uses than what actually happened. This is probably due to what you said Sub but I was expecting this to be quite chaotic, especially in the first few nights. The lack of activity is what ultimately led to both Agents being killed so quickly. Still, I won't criticize town's performance if my rule set was to blame. I'm just sad we didn't get any defibrillator shenanigans.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: ddevans96 on November 09, 2015, 09:30:32 pm
The lack of activity is what ultimately led to both Agents being killed so quickly.

Straight from our pad (italic text is Kuro, all other text is me):

Night 2 - Motion Sensor
rob77dp used Equipment on rob77dp (high probability this was Barricade OR APPARENTLY ITDG WHICH MEANS ELECTROMAGNET WILL BE AFFECTING HIM LATER)
skyironsword used Equipment (must have been HACS)
JonathanCrazyJ used Equipment on rob77dp (was electromagnet)
killsdazombies used Equipment on Linkcat (nearly GUARANTEED agent) GOT HIM
mathman101 used Equipment on rob77dp (potentially agent) ? (OR used defillibrator, if math has been confirmed, and rob would be saved) GOT HIM TOO
worldwideweb3 used Equipment on skyironsword (QWMT)
Linkcat used Equipment (must have been Sensor, RFID, or Flashlight) If Flashlight, he would know that KDZ is trustworthy. So more likely that it's sensor or RFID

tl;dr we found the agents quickly due to the timing of our motion sensor and running logic, not activity.


Also congratulations to Dm and Sky for being the second worst civilians I have ever seen.

Fixed.

This is writing a check you can't cash. Your play for most of the game was only marginally useful to town and if not for that clutch motion sensor it would have been really easy to paint you as mafia and secure the game sooner.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: eljoemo on November 09, 2015, 10:11:46 pm
The lack of activity is what ultimately led to both Agents being killed so quickly.

Straight from our pad (italic text is Kuro, all other text is me):

Night 2 - Motion Sensor
rob77dp used Equipment on rob77dp (high probability this was Barricade OR APPARENTLY ITDG WHICH MEANS ELECTROMAGNET WILL BE AFFECTING HIM LATER)
skyironsword used Equipment (must have been HACS)
JonathanCrazyJ used Equipment on rob77dp (was electromagnet)
killsdazombies used Equipment on Linkcat (nearly GUARANTEED agent) GOT HIM
mathman101 used Equipment on rob77dp (potentially agent) ? (OR used defillibrator, if math has been confirmed, and rob would be saved) GOT HIM TOO
worldwideweb3 used Equipment on skyironsword (QWMT)
Linkcat used Equipment (must have been Sensor, RFID, or Flashlight) If Flashlight, he would know that KDZ is trustworthy. So more likely that it's sensor or RFID

tl;dr we found the agents quickly due to the timing of our motion sensor and running logic, not activity.

That's what I meant. If more civvies had used Equipment then it would have been harder / more time consuming for you to find the Agents. I don't mean to take credit away from you on this.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Ginyu on November 09, 2015, 11:04:20 pm
This is writing a check you can't cash. Your play for most of the game was only marginally useful to town and if not for that clutch motion sensor it would have been really easy to paint you as mafia and secure the game sooner.
I am not saying I was very useful. I didn't have very much, as - apart from the sensor - my equipment was very defensive.
What I dislike is claiming others to be bad, while you call great equipment to be used against mafia and then saying it is best killing yourself and getting rid of that copy of equipment... at a point where we didn't know how much of it was actually in play. His death didn't confirm anything really, civs who owned that equipment knew already what it did; he might have even teached mafia to keep that in mind if they didn't have it. Not to mention that wasting a lynch was very crucial when starting with 15-5 only. If he thinks it was fine, so it's okay. But he shouldn't shoot at others like being the god of mafia games.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Dm on November 09, 2015, 11:11:32 pm
It proved a QWMT and you guys should make a plan around it and proved Link and Sky had no fucking idea what they were doing

Not that it matters much - you followed Link anyway and lynched three more civs down the way.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Ginyu on November 09, 2015, 11:29:25 pm
Quote from: Dm
you followed Link anyway and lynched three more civs down the way
There were only two town lynchs after you died: Link himself and rob. kirby's death was by mafia voting, and the other lynches were Kuro and RR, both mafia.

Still, we surely didn't play perfect. It was just hard cooperating as Link looked very scummy after you turned town and no one knew who had QWMT.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Dm on November 09, 2015, 11:31:43 pm
Lynching rob off of flyingcat based on what LINK said was stupid and was one other town death. You guys still followed link.

Worry not, I'm no mafia god. But please, don't say I'm the "worst civilian in the game". I'm the only one, during this whole mafia, that provided good and well thought out reasoning with actual verifiable claims (even Kuro's post was nothing but "doubt" - mine proved straight up that Link and Sky were claiming an impossible scenario). Honestly? If I was the worst player than I wonder where that puts you - all you were good for was hive mind playing after people who had been proved to make literally impossible claims. Not bashing your gameplay, just pointing out that if compared to me - whom you called the "worst civilian" - you were much, much more useless. Maybe you should try actually doing something next game or something.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Ginyu on November 10, 2015, 12:23:59 am
There were only two town lynchs after you died: Link himself and rob.
Lynching rob off of flyingcat based on what LINK said was stupid and was one other town death.
Okay, I missed that one. So the three town deaths were Link, rob and rob. Totally overlooked that the Master of Death always has to die twice.

So yeah, I only found a mafia. That's mostly it, I agree. You killed yourself (1st town), let Link look scummy with you turning town (2nd town), and you destroyed your QWMT instead of using it. You confirmed something every owner of QWMT already knew. You wasted a lynch.
You are right, you did much more than me. Congratz.

Anyway, we won't come to a compromise. Lets step forward.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on November 10, 2015, 12:25:05 am
I think this is done. Topic lock plz.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: rob77dp on November 10, 2015, 12:26:16 am
inb4 lock...

I'd like to point out that Master of Death should have this rule implemented - must die twice in mafia to be dead.

Okay, I missed that one. So the three town deaths were Link, rob and rob. Totally overlooked that the Master of Death always has to die twice.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Linkcat on November 10, 2015, 09:43:56 am
I don't think Dm played badly. Not how I would have played it, but not bad. Dm, I do want to ask how following what you said would have reduced 3 town deaths. You said to lynch in this order: sky, the person who said you were mafia (rob D:), me, Kuro. W3 killed sky and we lynched the other three, so I don't see it.

@ddevans96 - I actually did use a Flashlight, but I didn't say he was confirmed to guard against a Motion Sensor, though I kind of gave it away because I got lynched. Unfortunately, even though 7 of 12 town used Equipment, you were able to find both Agents by the middle of the day. I'd say Motion Sensor is the most unbalancing factor in this setup.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: rob77dp on November 10, 2015, 01:37:39 pm
I don't think Dm played badly. Not how I would have played it, but not bad. Dm, I do want to ask how following what you said would have reduced 3 town deaths. You said to lynch in this order: sky, the person who said you were mafia (rob D:), me, Kuro. W3 killed sky and we lynched the other three, so I don't see it.

@ddevans96 - I actually did use a Flashlight, but I didn't say he was confirmed to guard against a Motion Sensor, though I kind of gave it away because I got lynched. Unfortunately, even though 7 of 12 town used Equipment, you were able to find both Agents by the middle of the day. I'd say Motion Sensor is the most unbalancing factor in this setup.

For a final time - I never told anybody that Dm was mafia. Sure I voted to lynch Dm but I never told anyone he is mafia. If you think I told you (Lc) that you are mistaken. If sky is still claiming I told her that she is lying. Period. *sigh*
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Linkcat on November 11, 2015, 12:53:39 am
I know. That's what the D: meant.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo
Post by: Kuroaitou on November 11, 2015, 02:00:42 am
Alright enough talkin', time for (de)'throning' mafia in 53. ;)

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