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Re: War #8 - General Discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55615.msg1167393#msg1167393
« Reply #72 on: November 21, 2014, 07:20:38 pm »
Realistically, witch hunt or not, this thread is just becoming a broken record of opinions we've heard once and again.

Whatever happened, people will have some opinion and those with differing opinions will have kindle.

Let's not fall into the trap of self-justification nor forget the thread's purpose.
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Re: War #8 - General Discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55615.msg1167394#msg1167394
« Reply #73 on: November 21, 2014, 07:20:50 pm »
Realistically, witch hunt or not, this thread is just becoming a broken record of opinions we've heard once and again.

Whatever happened, people will have some opinion and those with differing opinions will have kindle.

Let's not fall into the trap of self-justification nor forget the thread's purpose.
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Re: War #8 - General Discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55615.msg1167398#msg1167398
« Reply #74 on: November 21, 2014, 07:32:18 pm »
Those who have disagreed with her previously, such as itr and bripod

Wtf are you talking about? Where is my post? Where is my initial disagreement? Where is my demand that this situation be handled one way or another?

Attack me randomly in chat as much as you want, don't mention me in fantasy posts, make sense, even though I understand it must be hard.

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Re: War #8 - General Discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55615.msg1167400#msg1167400
« Reply #75 on: November 21, 2014, 07:42:15 pm »
Those who have disagreed with her previously, such as itr and bripod

Wtf are you talking about? Where is my post? Where is my initial disagreement? Where is my demand that this situation be handled one way or another?

Attack me randomly in chat as much as you want, don't mention me in fantasy posts, make sense, even though I understand it must be hard.

I remember you quoting and agreeing with a post that was critical of Higurashi, though I can't find it at the moment.  Moreover, I actually haven't attacked you in chat, or at least I don't think I have, so I'm not sure what you're talking about.  I also wasn't mentioning you here to insult you or even disagree with you specifically.  I was more stating that according to your previous posts and chat comments, you believe Higurashi to be an unethical person (due to her allowance of the oetg topic's continuation), and therefore you are inclined to assume her lack of ethics in this situation as well.  Likewise, those who say nothing but how much Higurashi has done for the community have primarily been those who have spoken highly of her in the past.  I was mostly trying to say that the situation allows for both sides to see interpretations of the facts consistent with their previous opinions. 

I did not intend to show support or disagreement with either side, but merely note why the conversation wasn't really going anywhere, and hoped that by pointing out part of what makes this situation so hard for the community to agree on bring the two sides closer to a resolution, and/or turn it over to higher hands such as the council/antiaverage.  I am deeply sorry that my post insulted you, and I wish I had chosen my words better.
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Re: War #8 - General Discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55615.msg1167415#msg1167415
« Reply #76 on: November 21, 2014, 08:34:02 pm »
As Higurashi said it: ~"Being admin is service to users" and ~"if community wants, I can resign".

Since there is quite loud crowd suggesting resignation, would you, Higurashi, resign from being admin? Or is there not enough "votes"? Like ~40% wants you to resign, but that is not enough? How about ~70% of these posts? What would be enough for your call? Admin not trusted (no matter what %), is no longer service for community (during WAR at least), but a burden as we can read from here.

Removing admin rights is technically nothing but button clicks. It is not even penalty from cheating, just practicality for forum maintenance. Those can be granted back too - say, after this WAR is over?

Resigning from WAR is however personal penalty, which is simple and fair solution. This is just a game, and you have participated for many WARs earlier and won, so one should be able to accept that fate as such. Absolutely no reason to continue at this point. It clears the air, so to speak.

I expect the problem here we see next is that Higurashi doesn't want to lose the high position held in this community (Ego). If someone doesn't believe in cheating, you can witness the damage done, which has to be handled too - in this case same way, so no difference. More explanations about bugs and promises will follow, denial about cheating, which keeps going on and on, and then other's feeling bad (Sympathy) about the growing pressure against Higurashi, and saying that removing admin rights are too much. Why is it too much? It is not the penalty part.

Ego and sympathy aside. It is just button click, and can be restored if wanted. Higurashi won't do it, so other admins needs to do it. One click, and community and WAR can move on.

There is no need for other Warblind admins either. Few buttons clicks, temporarily down to moderators or so, and that is also solved too, unless being admin is too precious for personal egos (This all sounds really provocative, sorry about that, but can't say it otherwise). Isn't it enough for each of you being part of WAR team, and therefore getting your acceptance being great part of the community.

I'm not active member as such, and I understand there is lot drama just for entertainment sake in this forum, but it may also hide big ego's behind and friendship dictates things here too. Just observations and apologies if this was bad writing - it might be.

In last, I want to thank all admins and WarMasters for their "services to users" from all years, including Higurashi, thank you, stay in community, but don't get overly attached to titles (and access rights behind those). This is about community, not admins themselves.

« Last Edit: November 21, 2014, 08:55:36 pm by Brusterix »

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Re: War #8 - General Discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55615.msg1167417#msg1167417
« Reply #77 on: November 21, 2014, 08:39:00 pm »
Judging by your post, it seems like you have missed that Higu already resigned from War and have in fact been out of War since the beginning of this round.
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Re: War #8 - General Discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55615.msg1167418#msg1167418
« Reply #78 on: November 21, 2014, 08:39:46 pm »
Well, everyone wanted to know why Aether received penalty,  now all know, just say that I agree with WM's decision and even Higurashi agreed because had insufficient evidence in its favor.

If Higurashi should continue like Adm or not this is not the place to discuss this
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« Last Edit: November 21, 2014, 08:41:35 pm by Vangelios »
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Re: War #8 - General Discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55615.msg1167419#msg1167419
« Reply #79 on: November 21, 2014, 08:43:02 pm »
Well, everyone wanted to know why Aether received penalty, now we all know. I just say that I agree with WM's decision and even Higurashi agreed because had insufficient evidence in its favor.

If Higurashi should continue like Adm or not this is not the place to discuss this
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Re: War #8 - General Discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55615.msg1167425#msg1167425
« Reply #80 on: November 21, 2014, 09:27:22 pm »
Well, everyone wanted to know why Aether received penalty, now we all know. I just say that I agree with WM's decision and even Higurashi agreed because had insufficient evidence in its favor.

If Higurashi should continue like Adm or not this is not the place to discuss this
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Re: War #8 - General Discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55615.msg1167439#msg1167439
« Reply #81 on: November 21, 2014, 11:01:20 pm »
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Re: War #8 - General Discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55615.msg1167441#msg1167441
« Reply #82 on: November 21, 2014, 11:11:45 pm »

The Council is currently discussing about this situation. As soon we'll have some news, you all will be notified.
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Re: War #8 - General Discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55615.msg1167463#msg1167463
« Reply #83 on: November 22, 2014, 12:47:09 am »
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