War #7 - Rules

[Avenger]

War Spoils (6 cards) are still Salvaged from R8 and placed in War Spoils. That's the intention, anyway.

Yeah, you just miss the word 'spoils' from the chart

Round #8+   6 cards (spoils)

[deuce22]

War Spoils (6 cards) are still Salvaged from R8 and placed in War Spoils. That's the intention, anyway.

now we have another discrepancy

2.4 Once the War Spoils are in effect, teams will Salvage 6 cards for each duel won, and Discard 27 cards for each duel lost.
4.1 Round 8+ is 0 salvage + 6 spoils.

So, will salvage/spoils during round 9+ use the transmutation rules for salvage or spoils?

[rem4life]

Shouldn't it be Round 8+ 6 salvage + 0 spoils? As the spoil vault is in effect now? Would leave less confusion
Or i'm the one confused here?

[Helston]

Fixed. Round 8 is Spoils-only, and cards won that round are transmuted as such. They're counted in determining who makes it to Round 9 and can be used in Round 9. Cards won in Round 8 will not be made publicly visible
Rounds 9 onwards are played with the Vault salvage/transmutation rules. Hope that clears everything up.

[skyironsword]

<--- Moron asks whether there's a table I can just use instead of making my own

<--- Sucks at tables

<--- There probably is one just didn't read anything important, please notify me of my stupidity

[serprex]

It's in the stickied "How to Join" topic: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,50866.0.html

[Marsu]

To avoid further discussion, please add a sentence to the rules stating that a 14 card bid is always allowed even after 13 card bids. Obvious as it may be, officially it is not allowed at the moment.

[hainkarga]

Maximum bid is 14 cards. If a player gets bid on 14 cards, he or she has two options:
1. Instantly join the team that made the 14 card bid.
2. Wait for someone else to make the same 14 card bid (14 cards is maximum so you don't need to bid any higher), and join that team instead. You can wait as long as you want (waiting other 14 card bids), even make the decision after the auction has closed.

I believe this is sufficiently clear.

[rob77dp]

Maximum bid is 14 cards. If a player gets bid on 14 cards, he or she has two options:
1. Instantly join the team that made the 14 card bid.
2. Wait for someone else to make the same 14 card bid (14 cards is maximum so you don't need to bid any higher), and join that team instead. You can wait as long as you want (waiting other 14 card bids), even make the decision after the auction has closed.

I believe this is sufficiently clear.

That does not address bid increase requirements which are:

The minimum raise is 2 cards, plus 1 card if the previous bid was from the blind auction, plus 1 card for each overtime phase, minus 1 if the Generals is on that player's favorite elements list or the General is equal first (i.e. no General has a winning bid for that player) from the blind auction.

If non-favorite elements bid 14 cards on a 13 card "fav element" previous bid and Warmasters do not invalidate the bid, then I will not object to such proceedings.  Simply, I would like it stated somewhere that is how it functions so one can proceed to bid appropriately knowing how other bids will be handled.

[hainkarga]

It doesn't have to. It says you don't need to bid any higher.
It says you can bid 14 after an 14 (since you don't need to bid higher)
So you also need it to tell you that it is ok to bid 14 after an 13 ?

If this helps 14 here is like bidding infinite. ∞ = ∞ + 1 = ∞ + 2. and ∞ > 13 + 2

[Marsu]

You are confusing different levels of argumentation.

The rules clearly imply that you may NOT bid 14 after a 13. That's a fact.

You are arguing that anyone with a bit of common sense should be able to understand that if one may bid 14 after a 14, one should also be able to bid 14 after a 13. That is correct, of course. But basing rules on common sense will always lead to problems, misunderstandings and arguments, not only in an online forum, and should thus be avoided.

[rob77dp]

It doesn't have to. It says you don't need to bid any higher.
It says you can bid 14 after an 14 (since you don't need to bid higher)
So you also need it to tell you that it is ok to bid 14 after an 13 ?

If this helps 14 here is like bidding infinite. ∞ = ∞ + 1 = ∞ + 2. and ∞ > 13 + 2

Considering 14 not as 14 but as infinity DOES help with the function of bidding at that 'limit' value (14 for this War).  However, others that may be less scrupulous could try to press that issue (13 requiring a 2-card increase cannot be bid as 14) since the rules don't state it as you did nor has a ruling been issued.

hasten
(for WM ruling to officially settle the issue)