War #4 - Round 5

[DrunkDestroyer]

There will be no situation where it is better to Honor for an individual.

Well, this event card isn't like a usual Prisoner's Dilemma.
If your opponent Betrays, it is better to choose Honor.
In this case, the team that Honored has a 3-card salvage or 27-card discard.
But if they betray instead, they have a 0-card salvage and 30-card discard.

Team Death has put their cards on the table. It's not an attractive strategy, and I would expect teams that want to place on top of death to not give them such an obvious advantage.

They have effectively gone all in. Now, you can follow suit and be safe, letting them collect everything on the table, or step up to the challenge and fight for the win.


And this applies to every other team which tries to force a stronger position for themselves against all individual teams.

[Zeru]

bripod, the logic is the card can be summed up as follows. Betrayal is very tempting but the teams are better off if they both play Honourably.
I suggest to all teams to play honourably, because it's better for both of the teams.

[Calindu]

Kev, what RNG you use?It seems that it hates me.

[kev]

Kev, what RNG you use?It seems that it hates me.

Lol.  You and everyone else:

[08:66:66] Higarushi [»] kevkev60614: dood wtf? i have to play calindu221 this round? that guy is fearsome.  fix you'rer RNG you wang

For those who are curious SG named this Event Card and the prisoner's dilemma sprang to mind while brainstorming.  The PvP Event (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/board,401.0.html), developed by DrunkDestroyer and organized by TStar which has the same name was not the inspiration (although it was one of the most fun Events I've ever entered).

For more information on Prisoner's Dilemma, see the wikipedia article here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma).

[kev]

From the War News (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,31675.0.html) thread:

The round 5 Event Cards bring a choice to each player...

OPTION 1

OPTION 2

Just to be clear, Rule 7.2 (backroom deals and sharing of information) does not apply to this decision and these Event Cards.  Players should feel free to chat, PM, and post in the Round 5 thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,33433.0.html) whatever they'd like to.  It's obviously still inappropriate to share vault details, knowledge of your opponent's decks, etc., but so long as it's Event Card related feel free to discuss openly or privately.

[Helston]

To everyone confused about the prisoner's dilemma (pd) and how it relates to this event card,

This event card is heavily inspired by the pd, but is not a true pd itself. The following tables attempt to illustrate this using the average card advantage Team A would receive.

	Player B honours	Player B betrays
Player A honours	-9	-12
Player A betrays	-6	-15

Player A is better off betraying if Player B honours, however if Player B betrays then Player A is better off honouring. A true pd would look like this.

	Player B honours	Player B betrays
Player A honours	-9	-15
Player A betrays	-6	-12

In this scenario, Player A will always be better off if he betrays Player B. This means that the pair will fall into a cycle of betrayal a vast majority of the time.

What we have is a cleverly modified pd designed to encourage more teams to choose honour, lest we have a repeat of round 3's bias of a specific event card. Unfortunately this means that a team saying that they will betray will cause their opponents to be honourable, reinforcing their decision to betray.

Unless of course the team who has been told this WANT their opponent to suffer, in which case the team who declares that were betraying would be better off being honourable.

Enjoy picking up those pieces of brain scattered around the floor. *Grabs popcorn*

[GG]

Prisoner's Dilemma ftw.

[Jenkar]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AurJM9dMuH3bdEdySVN3emxvMnpzN2wyMnEtdEdweEE&hl=en_GB#gid=0

Fun.
If your team is :

Confident, it is better to :
Choose betrayal if trend is towards betrayalChoose honor if trend is towards honor
Not confident, it is better to :
Choose honor if trend is towards betrayalChoose betrayal if trend is towards honor

[Avenger]

I wonder when other teams start to beat .

[Jenkar]

I wonder when other teams start to beat .

Not time yet.

[Calindu]

I wonder when other teams start to beat .

Not time yet.

When the time's up.
Lol @ puns.

[Sevs]

"Son of a ****"  hmmmm 4 letter word you can be the son of....Frog! wait noo a Goat!...I give up