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BEC: Brick Eater Cremator - Fast AI3/Top50 (now with stats and deck comparison) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15196.msg194014#msg194014
« on: November 05, 2010, 08:45:58 am »
Short History of this deck, with some theories/reasoning for card choises:
The novel idea of using B.Eaters instead of BallL.s has been around these forums for quite some time, but the deck No Land Uppercut by PoLdeR (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14688.0.html) was the one that made me really see the potential of those little buggers. I modified the PoLdeRs original idea, and the first test-version of BEC was born: unlike this version it had 3 :earth Pendulums and 3 E.Graboid .

I really liked how well that deck performed in AI3 & T50, the very best moment was beating V2 on Top50 in 4 turns with 66 life points left! I continued testing on AI3, and then I realized that although having multiple Graboids is fun and all, not being able to do much on turn 1 would keep ttw stats low (meaning >6). Another thing that kept bothering me was control creatures AI3 has: Otyugh, Maxwell, A.Squid. That finally let me replacing :earth with :aether (Graboid -> T.bolt & :earth Pen to :fire Twr). The changes help a lot on getting 1st or 2nd turn Cremation. And the fact that T.bolt can take out any control creature or deal 5 damage to dome is just perfect for this deck, although I'm still thinking whether 3 is too much.

The last change I've made was replacing the weapon, suggested by xdude.
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*** Deck comparison ***
hrmmm V2: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,11389.0.html (2nd fastest AI3 grinder)
Napalm Grenade Lava Rush: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,6960.0.html (KOTH T50)
PoLdeR 2nd Ball: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,15069.0.html (the fastest AI3 grinder)
BEC: if you see this, you're looking it, duh (3rd fastest AI3 grinder)

0 cost cards:
V2:   17, 6 Cremation -> 83,1% games start with Cremation in hand
NG:  16, 6 Cremation -> 83,1%
2B:   15, 5 Cremation -> 76,6%
BEC: 10, 5 Cremation -> 79,3%
-> Cremation in opening hand more frequently.
Actually according to calculations it's little less frequently:
p(Cremation in opening hand) =
p(at least 1 Cremation in first 7 cards) + p(mulligan)*p(at least 1 Cremation in first 7 cards) =
1 - p(no Cremation in first 7 cards) + p(no 0 cost card in first 7 cards)*[1 - p(no Cremation in first 7 cards)] =
1 - 0,236 + 0,038*(1-0,236) = 0,764 + 0,029 = 79,3%
1 - 0,170 + 0,001*(1-0,170) = 0,830 + 0,001 = 83,1%
Damage dealing cards:
BigMedLownon-damage
V294413
NG75414
2B64109 (+1)
BEC84810
-> Less non-damage cards in deck.

*** stats ***
from 100 games, 2 lost (Thunderstorm + Owl's Eye & 1st turn no quanta + Devourer = rage-quit :-[)
turn | #
4 | 12
5 | 41
6 | 31
7 | 11
8 | 2
9 | 1
-> ttw 5,52 :o

- edit -
Weapon changed V. Dagger -> Sword

answer for meaning of life:
42 -or- Eat, survive, reproduce.
Depends who you're asking. :-\
« Last Edit: June 13, 2012, 08:23:00 am by willng3 »

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Re: Brick Eater Cremator - yet another "Fastest deck ever" https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15196.msg194040#msg194040
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2010, 10:05:34 am »
Vampire Dagger cannot be the fastest card choice. Long Sword does the same damage for half the cost.
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Re: Brick Eater Cremator - yet another "Fastest deck ever" https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15196.msg194053#msg194053
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2010, 10:57:48 am »
Meaning of Life?? Easy.

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Re: Brick Eater Cremator - yet another "Fastest deck ever" https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15196.msg194157#msg194157
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2010, 03:24:39 pm »
Meaning of Life?? Easy.

42
Fixed.

Also, love the deck. Much more consistan than V2, though I'm not sure if it's faster yet. Still messing around with it.

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Re: Brick Eater Cremator - yet another "Fastest deck ever" https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15196.msg194299#msg194299
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2010, 08:03:45 pm »
nice deck. i run a few games and im its sure fast as hell.

just some stuff i observed by plaing this deck:

as other brimstone/cremation decks you need a tower (or a nova) to start playing your deck. without, you sit out a turn, waiting for fire from your mark.
replacing your novas with towers? - i know, they also help you getting  :earth for the destroyers.

if you can cremate, your decks runs smoothly an pushes dmg consistent and dangerous.

i dont want to say too much here untill you post more thoughts for the cards u used (im sure they are well considered).
i stay  8) and im curious about the stats.

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Re: Brick Eater Cremator - yet another "Fastest deck ever" https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15196.msg195705#msg195705
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2010, 11:16:44 am »
I have this deck now in Top50, enjoy! ;D

I wanted to see how well AI uses this deck and so I went to Trainer using mono :life EM rush. I played 2 games, 1 win 1 loss:
1st game proved how "stupid AI" makes poor choices with this deck: Cremating B.Eaters while M.Phö is sitting right next to it, and Cremating stuff when it has nothing to use the quanta. At the end I won with :life deck having <10 life points left, but if AI had played correctly, it would have won 1 turn before. That once again shows how deadly 2|1 B.Eaters can be. :))
2nd game was pure show for the potential BEC has. I admit AI was bit lucky by getting 2 T.bolts in first 5 turns, while I had something like 3 Heals, and 5 creatures with :life deck. Anyway after ~8 turns when I had used all Heals and having got 2 Frogs fried AI won with ~60 life.

All in all this deck seems pretty good, even in hands of stupid AI, but when piloted correctly it gets even more deadly. Be afraid, be very very afraid! :-X

 

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