Vault preparation

[10 men]

Our Vault will be made up for the most part of the decks we intend to play, plus some filler cards. Here you can share your ideas for Time decks. I'm going to make a more extensive post with my ideas soon.

[10 men]

I went over this in Chat a bit already, but generally we can make 4 kinds of Decks: Rushes, stalls, Dune Scorpion decks and miscellaneous other decks.
Here I'm just gonna spam some lists for each of the possible archetypes. I'll start this post with rushes.

mono Time:

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Mono is actually a pretty solid rush, Ghosts are efficient, RTs and Eternity help a ton against opposing rushes. Against more stalling decks we might pack more Dragons instead of some of the CC. Disadvantage is that it has no PC so against strong permanents like Dim Shield it will get trouble.

Entropy:

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Discord combines pretty well with RT spam as RT takes care of creatures that slipped under the Discord in the first turns.

Nova Graboids:

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A classic Nova Grabbie build, with RT as the cheapest Time utility card and... Fate Eggs?? Seems kinda crazy but I felt like Ghosts are a little too expensive for the deck. So train your dragon hatching skills people.

Ghostmare:

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The well known Darkness duo with the Nightmare lockdown possibility. Does not so well against opposing CC spams but can take PC when we need it.

an Earth duo: Ghost and Graboids make a nice combo, so we'll probably use it. I haven't figured out exactly how many Earthquakess we want here, so no deck list yet.

Overall, Time has some nice rushing capabilities. Ghost is an efficient beater and RT generates huge Tempo against other creature decks. A problem will be to balance the usage of those two cards as we have only 24 of both in our Vault. Also guessing correctly whether our opponents will use creature decks will decide over the effectiveness of our RTs.

[bripod]

Here's an idea I've been looking at. It plays on Eternity mutating Skellies, but somebody's gotta kill something first... Please let me know what I could do to make this better. Even if it's not used in the War...

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Ok, after testing and tweaking with ITR, we deem this deck to suck for PvP. I'll revisit the idea later...

just in case you're wondering... this is the final version I palyed with...

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[TheManuz]

I think we may need Sundial, even for Dune Scorpions deck, and to survive turns when we face Dimensional Shields.
Other than that, we need LOADS of reverse time and GotP.

[valuka]

3 fast, non tested deck idea and i went to really to sleep

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Good old grabo - Gotp rush with EQs.

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a light stall deck vs teams that cant uses mass CC.

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[10 men]

So, next on the list are stalls:

Light:

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Sanctuary + Eternity is pretty awesome as it's as close to a total lock as it gets. RT spam helps against rushes and Ghosts to finish the job. But the deck is very customizable. Sundials are a possibility for stalling, Crusader can be nice with Eternity, Dunes + Blessing can replace Ghosts (slower, but less prone to CC).

Air:

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Against some decks, Wings has even more stall power than Sanctuary. They are really good against a lot of the strong midrange creatures. Here, Shockwaves can partially or fully replace RTs.

Aether:

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Aether is another nice duo as it provides defense from DimShield, CC via Lightning and an endless stream of creatures from the Fractal that can punch through any stall.

Rainbow:

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Panda is another cool card, and as a rainbow the deck is quite customizeable.

This leads to the actual Dune Scorpion deck:

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You need to get a little lucky here to draw both parts fast, but when you do the deck is very strong. Even if the opponent doesn't have targets for RT.

More random ideas coming tomorrow!

[dragonsdemesne]

I haven't played around with designing any decks yet, but my general ideas so far include a gotp/nightmare deck, which I see has already been considered, a graboid deck, which again is here, and the third idea I had was to use cheap creatures like deja vu and then something like mutate to (hopefully!) turn them into something scary.  I'll try to come up with a few decklists now...

GotP/Nightmare:

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Looks mostly like 10 men's deck, but it seemed to me like Eternity might be a bit too slow, so I didn't include any.  It depends on how long the game goes; eternity is crucial in the long game, but weaker early on when quanta is at a premium.  I'd probably up 3 of the towers/pends, or maybe the steal.

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Pretty close to 10 men's list, the key difference being the change from fate egg to elite deja vu, which makes it more reliable but misses out on the potential uber hatchlings.  I also skipped the forest spirit, which may have been a mistake; maybe keep it instead of the momentum?

[inthisroom]

Ok, I've tested quite a few things these last days and those are the only two decks that worked quite well against AI 3 and in a few pvp's, both are open to any suggestion, feel free to test and criticise.

Name: No it's not a Scarab Rush

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It's quite fast because you generally draw at least one hour glass pretty quickly, lack of quanta hasn't been the problem so far either, the Pharaohs are in there more by principle, I thought removing one might make it faster but left it in because with 8 creatures, there are more chances to get them quickly, Procrastination and Eternity I added later, Eternity against deck out and Procrastination because I just don't feel comfortable when I don't have at least one shield in my deck...

Name: Exploding Times

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This one's quite obvious, I hate it when I see a Lobo or an Eternity drawn quickly by my opponent and I know the game's over or when Phase Shields start chaining and I'm helpless, in short, I hate not to have perm control. The phoenixes are cheap and resistant to CC, so little fire quanta is needed and it stays quite fast altogether.

Again, feel free to make any suggestion and don't hesitate to criticise if they're not suited as war decks.

[dragonsdemesne]

@inthisroom:

The gravity/time one looks interesting, though I'm worried it might be too slow.  I'd have to test it to be sure.  I do remember having very good results with a charger/acceleration deck in a tournament one time, so don't underestimate that part of it.


The fire/time one looks pretty cool, too, and I think that one might be stronger.  It's got lots of control, which fits with my playstyle.  Its biggest weakness will be decks that spam a lot of creatures fast.

@10men:

I'm really liking that sanctuary stall deck for some reason.  I think maybe it's because I feel naked without shards of gratitude in my deck :p  Have you considered (instead of using an upgrade for the tower) using an upped mirror shield?  It's only 2 light quanta, prevents 1 damage, and will hose fire bolts.  Games with that deck will be slow, and I could maybe see it losing to someone spamming five fire bolts out of nowhere on turn 20.  Plus, I hate time's shield :p

I'm not really a fan of the time/air deck with wings.  It seems like a lot of the creatures we might face will be airborne.  I'm thinking forest/fire spectres, phoenixes, dragons, maybe pegasus.  It would be an extremely strong deck against graboid-based decks, though; wings stops graboid cold, and reverse time pwns the shrieker form, because it will take several turns to replay it most games, if it's ever replayed at all.

[inthisroom]

I've tested some of the above listed decks and the two I prefer so far are the Entropy deck and Nova Graboids, both posted under 10 men's rush decks.
The Entropy deck is a real lock down with early Discord, and Nova Graboids - or some other pillarless deck - should be considered closely when we are facing decks likely to have EQ, which is quite common right now.

Valuka's EQ deck seems promising also, but lacks a bit of CC (Eternity/RT) I think.

Regarding both 10 men's and DD's Ghostmares, I've faced both options, Stiletto and Eternity, and I find them equally annoying, so I couldn't say what's better, but I think that as Ghostmare is one of the most used and redouted decks going around since the last update, many opponents might expect to face it, therefore it might be an idea to pack a lot of steals to counter sanctuaries.

[bripod]

well, inthisroom and I went thru several rounds of PvP with some of these decks. While they each have their pro's and con's, when considering the nature of our next opponent and viable options that they have, I think that most all of these decks could come in handy.

10men's Entropy Rush is just plain brutal... inthisroom laughed every game we played I'm sure...

I think my subpar vault and what electrum I have can easily cover these decks...

[dragonsdemesne]

That discord/reverse time one does look pretty mean.  I was thinking though, that the antimatter would benefit from being upped, instead of a tower or pend.  Improved Antimatter costs 2 less entropy when upped, and at 8 entropy, the unupped one will be tough to play.