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Round 7: Secret Negotiations https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33962.msg428424#msg428424
« on: November 20, 2011, 10:31:17 pm »
Round 7: Secret Negotiations
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http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,33959.0.html (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,33959.0.html)


 :time  Time: Gen. 10 men  :time
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  :entropy Entropy: Dwerg  :entropy

TBA



 :time  Time: Lt. dragonsdemesne  :time
vs
   :underworld  UW: Gen. TStar  :underworld

TBA



 :time  Time: valuka  :time
vs
   :air Air: Lt. Legit  :air

3-0 Time!



 :time  Time: bripod  :time
vs
   :earth Earth: MartyrX  :earth

TBA



:time  Time: bjessee  :time
vs
  :aether  Aether: Lt. mrpaper  :aether

TBA



 :time  Time: ffun  :time
vs
  :death Death: Lt. RootRanger  :death

TBA



 :time  Time: inthisroom  :time
vs
   :darkness Darkness: Gen. TheonlyrealBeef  :darkness

TBA



 :time  Time: TheManuz  :time

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Re: Round 7: Secret Negotiations https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33962.msg428446#msg428446
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2011, 11:40:15 pm »
Again, not easy...

Just an idea, but if I get the event card right, we can be a bit more open about our strategy, wouldn't it be an idea to gang up with :earth and try to negotiate them away from our match and try to set up two double confrontations from :time and  :earth vs :entropy? :entropy's already playing five generals this round, we should leave those there, so here's the idea:

Match   5: :entropy Dwerg - :time Gen 10 men
Match 11:    :entropy Gen. MatrimKK   - :earth Lt. Mithcairion

Match 13: :time bripod - :earth MartyrX

If we could negotiate with :earth that they'll switch with :darkness in the following match:

Match 10: :entropy Bonestorm - :darkness Ltd. Wizardcat

And we try to switch with :death in the following match:

Match 12: :entropy DeathAngelx - :death PlayerOa

That would result in the following matches:

Match   5: :entropy Dwerg - :time Gen 10 men
Match 10: :entropy Bonestorm - :earth MartyrX
Match 11: :entropy Gen. MatrimKK - :earth Lt. Mithcairion
Match 12: :entropy DeathAngelx - :time bripod

Match 13: :darkness Ltd. Wizardcat - :death PlayerOa

Well, :entropy is the leader and considering they will be playing 4 more Generals this round, we might make them lose the war like this.

*That's not a personal choice btw, I know half of team :entropy and like them, but strategically I believe this would be a thing to consider if we want to eliminate a strong opponent, the only one ahead of us...*

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Re: Round 7: Secret Negotiations https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33962.msg428456#msg428456
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2011, 12:01:28 am »
Possible decks next round: (haven't counted yet to see if all 7 are possible at once)
Time/light stall
Ghostal
Ghostmare (with extra steal/less nightmares due to vault)
Time/death
Exploding Times
Time/entropy discords
novabow

Iffy decks that are theoretically possible but would probably suck:
time/gravity with black holes/pharaohs
monotime


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Re: Round 7: Secret Negotiations https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33962.msg428541#msg428541
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2011, 03:05:17 am »
Known contents of enemy vaults:

Underworld:
3x lycan
3x discord
3x graboid
3x EQ
1x rage pot
1x lightning
3x nova
3x hema golem
2x sanc
1x mummy
1x pulvy
2x ench art
1x forest spirit
2x mind flayer
1x phase spider
1x flesh spider
--31 cards

Plus, they salvage 6 from:
3x pande
5x entropy pend
1x pulvy
1x mitosis
3x sanc
3x wings
1x quint
3x nova
3x charger

For a total of 37/39 cards known or at least guessable.
Darkness:
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Deck import code : [Select]
5rg 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rk 5ro 5ru 5ru 5ru 5ru 5ru 5t2 5up 5v1 5v1 5v1 5v1 606 606 606 606 606 7q4 7qe 7ri 7t8 7t9 7tb 7th 7um 7um 8ps

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4st 52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5up 5up 5uv 5uv 5uv 5uv 5v1 7t8 7tb 7td 7td 7tf 7tf 8pk


Both of these won in round 6, which comprises 60/88 of their cards.  They also salvage 6 from earth's firestall (My guess would be earthquakes) and 6 from our time/earth duo (ghosts, graboids, BBs and pillar/pend are the only choices).  This adds to 72/88 cards known or guessable.


Underworld is obviously going to play a novabow, and my guess is it will feature discord, earthquake, or both.  I think if I were TStar, I'd use entropy mark, then use discords and earthquakes and supernovas, or maybe even up the quakes.  From the stuff he can salvage from, he'll probably have to take at least one nova and possibly all three, if he wants to have six, although he could make do with just pillars if he wanted.  Wings has proven pretty good against us, and if I were him I'd probably salvage some of those.  If he's got any choices left after that, I'm not sure what he'd take, but it probably won't matter that much as for how we'd prepare against him.  With his known 3 sancs, black hole and ghostmare strategies are useless.  He's got 1 pulvy left, 2 if he salvages, so it could be dangerous to rely on permanents.  Discord and Earthquake make me think that perhaps a novabow with a huge pillar/tower/pend/upped pend split would be best.

Darkness has the ghostmare and the same deck they beat us with last round.  They would be nucking futz to use ghostmare against us; they could nightmare darkness creatures, but that doesn't have quite the same power.  Their other choice is the poison deck they already used against us.  Given that we can counter poison with purify, and can counter ghostmare with time factories (lol) I expect that darkness will try to trade off their match with us, because we can rape both their decks.  (unless they have something else in the vault; I haven't looked at round 5 yet to work out more cards)

I'll work on the known vaults of the other teams tomorrow night; I'm fairly tired and just want to relax now :p  Earth and entropy are going to be tough to predict still, but I suspect that most of the other teams can be narrowed down fairly closely, given the effort to go back through rounds 5 and 6.

EDIT: 10 Men pointed out to me that because UW fielded a 24 pillar suicide deck last round, that as many as 24 of the cards in my above 'known' vault list for them could have been converted.  They are guaranteed to still have at least 7 of the cards I posted, and I still think that discord, earthquake, and wings are strong possibilities for them and that exploding times might be able to survive that, if extra quanta was added and I upped a few pillar/pend.

10 men also said that jappert said that tstar hinted that he doesn't want to trade his match with me, but that's by no means a guarantee of anything.

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Re: Round 7: Secret Negotiations https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33962.msg429353#msg429353
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2011, 09:27:03 pm »
Our trade it seems will be with Gravity, so we'll play kirchj33 instead of Theonlyrealbeef. Basically the idea here is to finally catch Earth off guard with Ghostal.
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Re: Round 7: Secret Negotiations https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33962.msg429403#msg429403
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2011, 10:54:57 pm »
Gravity seems to have insider knowledge that mrpaper trades with torb and I think I believe them, so we will instead exchange bjessee for nilsie.
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Re: Round 7: Secret Negotiations https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33962.msg430507#msg430507
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2011, 02:19:26 pm »
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Re: Round 7: Secret Negotiations https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33962.msg430516#msg430516
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2011, 02:34:59 pm »
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Re: Round 7: Secret Negotiations https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33962.msg430659#msg430659
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2011, 07:15:48 pm »
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