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Round 3: Strategy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32836.msg414669#msg414669
« on: October 23, 2011, 08:08:51 am »
Our matchups: (ugh there are 8 again!)

Bjessee vs NikaZaslavsky (LIGHT, 7th place)
Valuka vs Bonestorm (ENTROPY, 3rd place)
Gen. 10 Men vs Tiko (WATER, 9th place)
Lt. Dragonsdemesne vs MartyrX (EARTH, 1st place)
TheManuz vs Lt. Vagman13 (GRAVITY, 11th place)
Ffun vs Jocko (FIRE, 12th place)
Bripod vs Shaliyah (AETHER, 5th place)
Inthisroom vs Batcountry (AIR, 4th place)

Bad news: we have to face 4 of the top 5 teams (the other one being ourselves) and have to build 8 decks again.
Good news: we get to face the bottom two teams, and we only face 1 lieutenant and 0 generals this round!

For the event, we have to choose one of:




The first one is easier to pull off.  The second one is tougher to pull off, but gives a bigger reward, so we only have to do it half as many times for the same benefit.



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Re: Round 3: Strategy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32836.msg414719#msg414719
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2011, 11:01:58 am »
Not a very exciting Event Card for us, we do have quite a few STALLS, but none of them wins by deckout. So Rush it is for us I guess. With a lucky draw, they can even win on turn 12, Time Aether fore example is definitely capable of that. But we got compensated with our matchups, no general again is definitely nice.
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Re: Round 3: Strategy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32836.msg414766#msg414766
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2011, 01:56:21 pm »
Except for aether instead of life, we're playinf the exact same teams as rd 1... Still no darkness and death match ups for us - interesting! I'll start thinking about my match and test some deck choices soon. Fire still is a strong element to face, but after so many losses in the 1st rd, their vault and hence deck options should have taken quite a blow.

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Re: Round 3: Strategy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32836.msg415090#msg415090
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2011, 05:08:19 am »
A few random ideas/comments:

LIGHT: So far they have played a lot of crusader decks, and RT/eternity should be pretty good against those.  They also used a firestall against us in round 2, which we shut out 3-0 with a fractal deck.  I think if we can build a deck that beats crusader and firestall that we will be good in this matchup.

ENTROPY: They used lots of nova decks and a couple monoentropy decks, including one against us last round that we beat with a nova deck.  I'd be tempted to use another novabow here again, if we have the cards to spare from the other decks.

WATER: Looking at water's decks, most of them are extremely similar to each other.  They've got a lot of mostly monowaters with hard-hitting creatures and then a few cards from a supporting element, like lightnings or sancs or whatever.  They did have one novabow, too.  We beat them with almost exactly the same deck we used vs Light, a fractal deck.  I think as long as we can make a deck that beat what they had last round, and won't lose to some sort of stall, we'll be okay.

EARTH: Earth beat us in round 1 with an earth/air deck using dragons, eagle's eye, and wings.  In round 2 they used almost the same deck, and we beat them with momentum scorpions.  Their decks seem to fit into a few different categories; graboid nova deck, stall deck, and that earth/air deck they already used against us twice.  I think I'd really like to have permanent removal against them; other than their nova decks, they are relying extremely heavily on permanents.

GRAVITY: Time with light stall beat their discord/black hole in round 2.  They've used a couple such decks, as well as a few catapult titans, nova decks, a weird death/gravity poison deck, and a stall with pulverizers.  Their vault has taken a brutal beating, and is something like half the size of ours, so they might have some troubles already.  The only decks in round 2 they had that won were their two novabow decks, so that's going to be a strong possibility for them to use.

FIRE: Fire's vault is also crippled, and they might have troubles making a good deck already.  We had a novabow that beat their fire/death stall in round 2.  The ONLY deck they had that won in round 2 was a cremation phoenix deck played by their general, and that was against gravity, the next weakest team :p  Immo, nova, and firestall I think are the only possibilities left for them, unless they've got some surprises hidden away.

AETHER: We beat their bonebolt in round 1 with a nova deck, but they did well in round 2 and still have a good vault.  They played a lot of bonebolts and nova decks, as well as a devtal.  Our round 1 deck beats bonebolt and devtal, as it was built as a specific counter to those.  If it can handle nova decks as well, I think it's good to go for round 3 as well, with possibly some minor tweaks if needed.

AIR: Air gave us one of only two losses last round, with a devourer/vampire/dragon deck against our ghostmare.  They've still got a lot of good deck options left.  I think a novabow with PC would beat the deck they used against us last round.  They've also used a lot of air/fire decks, a fractal/firefly/hope deck, a boneshockwave deck, the obligatory novabow, a discord deck, and an air/time deck.  I would be confident with a novabow against any of those except the hope deck, so if we can build one that has a chance against that, too, I think we're good.

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Re: Round 3: Strategy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32836.msg415109#msg415109
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2011, 08:31:33 am »
Thanks for your review, Dragons.
It's really useful. Now i have to think something for the gravity match.

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Re: Round 3: Strategy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32836.msg415191#msg415191
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2011, 02:50:14 pm »
Just some thoughts - we have to consider that teams we've beaten already will try to adapt and adjust their tactics agains us. For example, I doubt :water will use anything similar to the deck they've played last round. They might try to either (a) add PC of some kind to their rush or (b) shift to some other win condition, such as poison or denial (e.g., a physalia poison or a trident deck) - I think it would be important to playtest agains some of these other decks.

As for :fire, I doubt they'll play an immo deck against us, since RT counters it pretty bad; we've won against a firestall as well on rd 2, so will they really play one against us? (and if they do, it will have some tweaks to try to counter us). If they have the cards to play it, I consider fractix a deck fire could play against us, with dim shields and a couple of deflags as well, so I'm also playtesting against it.

Regarding :aether, maybe we should also playtest against the stall they used vs Light, and against the fractix they've played vs Darkness. We could also end up facing either of these.

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Re: Round 3: Strategy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32836.msg415278#msg415278
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2011, 07:41:41 pm »
AIR: Air gave us one of only two losses last round, with a devourer/vampire/dragon deck against our ghostmare.  They've still got a lot of good deck options left.  I think a novabow with PC would beat the deck they used against us last round.  They've also used a lot of air/fire decks, a fractal/firefly/hope deck, a boneshockwave deck, the obligatory novabow, a discord deck, and an air/time deck.  I would be confident with a novabow against any of those except the hope deck, so if we can build one that has a chance against that, too, I think we're good.
So that would be a deck close to the one I used in round 1 already, sounds good to me. It's true that hope might be more difficult to beat but as there were nightmares in there, it still has a good chance, it also did pretty well when tested vs deftal in view of the aether duel in round 1.

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Re: Round 3: Strategy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32836.msg415297#msg415297
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2011, 08:32:54 pm »
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This is a possible deck for me to use vs Earth.  It should be able to beat most of their decks, although Pulverizer will be a serious problem if they use it.

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Re: Round 3: Strategy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32836.msg415328#msg415328
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2011, 09:38:23 pm »
From our chat today:

:water - aether stall with 1 fractal
:earth - aether as posted by DD
:fire - aether stall from rd 2
:gravity - light stall
:light - graboids rush + BB
:aether - probably nova discord

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:entropy - ?

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Re: Round 3: Strategy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32836.msg415333#msg415333
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2011, 09:50:40 pm »
We could make another novabow, and I think that would be a good choice for either air or entropy.  Dunno if we can make two of them; we could manage a time/entropy duo though, which might work vs air.  Looking at our vault, about the only other deck we have is dune scorps, and I'm not even sure how that won last round :p

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Re: Round 3: Strategy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32836.msg415338#msg415338
« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2011, 10:00:35 pm »
Looking at our vault, about the only other deck we have is dune scorps, and I'm not even sure how that won last round :p
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Re: Round 3: Strategy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32836.msg415560#msg415560
« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2011, 01:23:16 pm »
Here's an idea for our Entropy matchup:
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It's mainly a Pandebonium Precog which should be beaten by this easily, but I think it also has some chances against some of their Discord rushes, with lots of stalling and CC.
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