Colosseum II - Rules

[Marsu]

Quite sure said person would simply win 3-3.

[Laxadarap]

Correct: it counts as raising the score cap for the opposing player.  He would win at 3-3.

[Laxadarap]

Clarification on Forsaken Cathedral Environmental Disadvantage.  I initially figured that without using any relics you could not use any upgraded cards, but spielkind did not interpret it this way (he used 5 creatures for 1 relic, as there is still 1 relic for every 3 creatures).  I could not fault him, as I was not clear enough.  From now on, you may do as he did (this went off fine, and a couple extra upgrades never hurt anybody). 

You may use 2 upped creatures for no relics, 5 for 1 relic, and 8 for 2 relics...

[Laxadarap]

For Fire Stronghold, you may use any mark (it does not count as a quanta generating card)

[Laxadarap]

Updated/changed final battle disadvantage.

Environmental Disadvantage: the public wants to see an awesome fight. If you have 4 or more different cards in your deck that you used in any other single deck previously this round, you must use 10 less upgrades.

[Laxadarap]

Ok, for the final arena, we get a 15-card upgrade bonus. Do I then subtract from that for Skinny (-2) and Cal/Zso's Intimidation (-6) leaving me with only 7 upgrades? Or does my -8 upgrades go to them as +8 and then after that, the Arena's bonus kicks in giving me +15 upgrades?

Actually, that is a slight misinterpretation (my fault).  That was meant to be for upgraded cards that you don't know about (in pretty much every arena that allows ups if your deck has a specific card).  Because these are general upgrades, they would take place when determining who has however many upgrades.  Your first thought (you have 15-8=7 upgrades) is correct.  The upgrades afterwards are very trickly, because you cannot tell your opponent without ruining your antiprediction skills (or atleast hindering it).  FOR GAMES AFTER THE INTIAL UPGRADE COUNT (FIRST GAME), YOU MAY NOT GO BELOW 0 UPGRADES.  If you for example have 8 upgrades, and you use 4 cards you have used before, you now have 0 upgrades, and your opponent's upgrade count remains stationary.

[Dragoon]

Ok, so then how does my Revenge work in all of this?


Wouldn't it just be simpler to make the Arena upgrade bonuses separate? It gets really confusing when you throw in conditional Strengths like First Blood, Revenge, etc.

[Laxadarap]

Hrmm, actually yes.  Just let them apply afterwords.

[Calindu]

So how it will work after all?

[Dragoon]

Laxa can correct me, but if I understand right:

Calindu   + 6 + 5 - 6 = +5 (Games 1 & 2), 0 (Games 3 and after)

Dragoon   - 2 - 6 = -8 (all games)

So you would have +13 upgrades for Games 1 & 2, and then +8 for Games 3 and after. On top of that, you would also get +15 or +5, depending on if you reused 4 cards or not. And then on top of that, you would get +6 if you used a mono.

I would get 0 upgrades. On top of that, I would get +15 or +5, depending on if I reused 4 cards or not. And then on top of that, I'd get +4 if I lost the previous battle (stacking).


This does not take into account our last Strengths though.

[Laxadarap]

Dragoon is correct, and thank you for typing that out, saves me work

[Dragoon]

I don't know if this is written anywhere, but in a PM, Laxadarap said that Pillars and Pends aren't considered in the 4-card count that we use to calculate if we get 15 or 5 extra upgrades. That's still true, right Laxa?