The 2nd Avatar - Round 1 - Phase I

[treebeard xiii]

also for annele to get the win she will have to prove her decks were legal, otherwise that 3-2 could actually be 3-0 to me

[majofa]

also for annele to get the win she will have to prove her decks were legal, otherwise that 3-2 could actually be 3-0 to me

Correct.

[Laxadarap]

For almost all events deck legality is decided upon what appears in the deck code, not what happens in game.  Even if Annele used a deck with no damage and the intent to deck you out, her deck was perfectly legal, yours was illegal, hence she gets the win.  Aside from that, you are saying that your deck is "legal" because the contents of your deck didn't matter, while saying that she never could have won because the contents of her deck DID matter.  You are using conflicting logic when interpreting the two sides.

[treebeard xiii]

also for annele to get the win she will have to prove her decks were legal, otherwise that 3-2 could actually be 3-0 to me

Correct.

so as I'm losing on a techicality technically this match is undecided so therefore round 2 can't be posted as you can't assume annele's decks are legal.

[treebeard xiii]

my logic is in fact that how can you lose to a deck that you techically can't lose too had I used no dims I would still not have lost the match without damage yes my contents matter but by rules my deck doesn't matter as I can't be decked out no damage source means no possible win for annele I know this sounds sour but I won the games within the rules and within the rules I can't lose on deckout so yes I'm going to argue my case give me a paraste it's not like I'm ever going to win any events as I'm not cutthroat I just want some wins in pvp instead of losing all the time let me have my moment of glory please as I am rapidly losing interest in the game because of the way competitive pvp is played.

[Marsu]

Illegal deck = loss.

-1 rep.

[rob77dp]

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Do not take the following as a personal attack but rather that I think your venting and argument here is misplaced.  Arguing against rulings that are made per rules set out for all players is a losing cause.  That is the gist of what I'm trying to say above.  Also, note that proper grammar, punctuation, and formatting (paragraphs perhaps) insofar as you are capable helps the comprehension and consideration of your points.  As it is, I am not sure why you are disputing that an illegal deck is being PvPO-ruled as a loss against any legal deck (as determined in hindsight with deck code posting).

my logic is in fact that how can you lose to a deck that you techically can't lose too had I used no dims I would still not have lost the match without damage

You can lose to any legal deck by fielding a deck that is against the rules.

yes my contents matter but by rules my deck doesn't matter as I can't be decked out no damage source means no possible win for annele

Well, 'by rules' fielding an illegal deck is a loss against a legal deck.  Deckout against fire is simply a replay if both decks used were legal.

I know this sounds sour but I won the games within the rules and within the rules I can't lose on deckout so yes I'm going to argue my case

Except you did not win the game within the rules, you won with an illegal deck.

give me a paraste it's not like I'm ever going to win any events as I'm not cutthroat I just want some wins in pvp instead of losing all the time let me have my moment of glory please as I am rapidly losing interest in the game because of the way competitive pvp is played.

I don't think an illegal deck gives anybody increased parasite count.  Also, 'letting' a player have moments of glory should be self-defeating as the purpose one would 'want the glory' is to show their skill at PvP or related aspects of the contest.  Here, you have taken issue with rulings being done by the rules so I take your statement about losing interest as related to this.  I don't think there is anything that could be done to help if you are simply not liking losing by the rules. :/

However, if you are taking issue with losing more than you'd like perhaps try differing styles of play or more careful attention to the rules / deck limits...?

[treebeard xiii]

I'm not taking it as a personal attack rob I realise I'm fighting a losing cause but why anyone would accept win on technicalities as well is beyond the only way to win is to forget fun and I just can't do that with a collectible card GAME, we enjoyed the matches and I won with an illegal a game I would have won anyway with a legal deck given the same draws. In my opinion losing for accidently using an illegal deck at 2am in the morning on any other occasion I will have most likely be more thorough with my deck check.

and I'll get this out of the way as I know I arguing more for the sake of arguing as my never ending losses when it matters really gets me angry, so I shall apologse for my outburst I realise the more I lose the shorter my temper gets. however I keep on trying to keep it in check but fail miserably

[rob77dp]

I'm not taking it as a personal attack Pella Rob I realise I'm fighting a losing cause but why anyone would accept win on technicalities as well is beyond the only way to win is to forget fun and I just can't do that with a collectible card GAME, we enjoyed the matches and I won with an illegal a game I would have won anyway with a legal deck given the same draws. In my opinion losing for accidently using an illegal deck at 2am in the morning on any other occasion I will have most likely be more thorough with my deck check.

and I'll get this out of the way as I know I arguing more for the sake of arguing as my never ending losses when it matters really gets me angry, so I shall apologse for my outburst I realise the more I lose the shorter my temper gets. however I keep on trying to keep it in check but fail miserably

  Just a small correction.  It's OK - at times Pella and I can be surprisingly twin-like. 

Also, bear in mind Nelly so far knows only she lost 3-2.  The event organizer is making the rulings and others playing in Avatar are simply supporting the as-of-now-ruling (along with general event principles of illegal deck being a loss).

If illegal decks were changed to simply be "replays" it would probably assuage your current frustration.  However, that would result in LOTS of even longer delays in event rounds and timing as illegal decks do happen and setting up extensions for replays would rarely be expedient.  PvP already takes long enough to organize and do matches without causing longer delays which are avoidable by illegal deck 'offending parties' taking a loss in that specific game.

One more extra:  if you had won 3-1 the illegal deck would generally mean play-on from 2-2, so it isn't always AUTO_MATCH_LOSS for an illegal deck...

[Annele]

Very sorry, I didn't see that I had been given the win.

My decks were:

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594 594 594 594 594 594 595 595 595 596 596 596 596 596 596 5c2 5c2 5c2 5c2 5c2 5c2 5c4 5c4 5c6 5c6 5c6 5c6 5c9 5c9 5c9 5c9 5c9 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 8pm

Used games 1, 4, and 5

(I forgot that he couldn't be decked out.  )

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4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vi 4vi 4vi 4vi 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5id 5id 5id 5id 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ij 5ij 5ij 5ij 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 8pj

Used games 2 and 3