Nerf Consecutive Win Spin Requirements?

[avidteen13]

I have been playing the arena for some time. Although it is a fun idea, the consecutive wins for the rare spins are impractical. For most players playing Bronze and Silver Levels, getting the chance to win a rare card is the equivalent of beating 5-6 Half-bloods and False Gods in a row. Given the multitude of new rare cards and shards it is unlikely that a spinner will win a card anymore. I recommend that 1 or 2 fewer consecutive wins be required to have the off-chance of getting a card. This would also diffuse the new shards to less-than-24/7 players and lead to the formation of new shard decks with which to create a variety of arena decks and decks to combat the prolific fire stalls and aether monos.

[teffy]

I think it´s reasonable, that different leagues need a different number of consecutive victories. To Reduce the number of spins for any of these leagues would bring the Platinum League down to 2 or even 1 consecutive victories. Gold and Platinum special spins give UPGRADED rares. 2 victories is too easy in my opinion.

I think we have no room to decrease the number of consecutive victories.

With the new shards, the number of shards in Arena and PvP will increase - maybe not much in Bronze League ´cause new players don´t have many shards.

[avidteen13]

I know the upper leagues don't require many spins, but it is definitely a lot for Bronze and Silver. Perhaps the requirements could be decreased for beginner levels.

[ralouf]

Just think that those spins are supposed to be BONUS spins, even if most people make them the only reason they play arena.

Also I think that 5/6 wins in silver/bronze is pretty easy to reach with a good deck (specially with an upped deck)

[Drake_XIV]

Also I think that 5/6 wins in silver/bronze is pretty easy to reach with a good deck (specially with an upped deck)

I think that's the issue here.  Most people who farm bronze and silver with ease tend to have upgraded decks and, to be honest, MonoDark isn't that fun after a lot of grinding.  Especially for the newer players, who don't have the Rares and Upgraded cards or would rather try their own ideas out.

[avidteen13]

Within 6 matches, the likelihood of getting an impossible hand  is very close to certain. Even if you play strategically and have a fully upgraded deck (which most Bronze/Silver players don't have), it is still nearly impossible to win the rare spin. If it was possible for non-elite players to get these spins and rares, the composition would be vastly different, for the better, I think.

[Naesala]

Reducing the number of spins for bronze/silver doesnt have to reduce those for gold/platinum. Gold/Platinum give upgraded forms and require fewer victories, we can have a -1 on both bronze and silver I think with no problems. And it is hell to try and get rares without a fully upped deck, and without shards many competitions that dont ban them become incredibly difficult to win.

[dragonsdemesne]

Well, rares are supposed to be hard to get; I think the difficulty is about right.  It's also not too hard to beat at least bronze unupped.  As an example, on Saturday I made some decks for the weekly tournament. (which I didn't play in because I decided sleep > 2am tourney :p)  I tested the one I felt was best in pvp1 and also in the bronze arena.  In the bronze arena, my fully unupped deck using no rares except 2 arsenics and no odd casting cost cards or odd numbers of cards (the tourney format last week) won the first five games I played in bronze, and narrowly lost the 6th. 

What I'm saying is that even someone with zero upgraded cards can do well in bronze, if they know what they're doing.  (for the record, the deck was 6 nova 4 quantum pillar 2 lightning 2 fog shield 2 steal 2 nightmare 2 arsenic 2 basilisk blood 2 lycanthrope 2 graviton fire eater 2 forest spirit 2 reverse time, mark of darkness)  Even that deck can obviously be optimized for the arena; I mean heck, it doesn't even use graboid, since that was banned in the tourney :p  I think going to farm silver or higher fully unupped would be pretty hard, but bronze is completely reasonable.

[waterzx]

won the first five games I played in bronze, and narrowly lost the 6th.

Here comes the problem. It's not difficult to get A LOT OF wins in Bronze, but it's not easy to get CONSECUTIVELY a lot of wins.

While lowing the requirements for rare spin may be good, I think there's an alternative we could consider

Card renting system for new players (so they can rent some upgrades / rares for farming)
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,37430.0/viewresults/poll,2507.html

[valiance]

Well, apparently there will be a spin reduction in 1.3

[Marsu]

This is a bad idea. It is ridicoulusly easy for a new player with a little bit of basic understanding of this game to farm bronze for spins without needing any upgrades, rares or advice from the forum.

[Poker Alho]

This is a bad idea. It is ridicoulusly easy for a new player with a little bit of basic understanding of this game to farm bronze for spins without needing any upgrades, rares or advice from the forum.

I have to disagree with you... most players currently playing that either dont know this forum exists or simply ignore it, dont have the appropriate deckbuilding skill or cards required to even farm bronze decently. Some like myself already have played similar card games like MtG wich helps tremendously in this game but thats not the general case. If you think i'm wrong try spending a couple of hours on pvp1 or pvp2 and a good amount decks will have way more than 30 cards, 5 or 6 different pillars, no good strategy or build, etc...