It's time for action

[Jappert]

Instead of complaining, we, as a community will need to start acting towards these fire rushes and stalls. Since I think we all agree that this is just retarded:



Problem is, if all we do is complain, nothing will change. We need to start beating these decks down and I don't care how many losses I'll get vs mono aether decks, novabows or whatever, as long as I can get some wins vs -decks.

We basically need two teams. One to beat down firestalls and one to deal with the immorushes. I know it will get tough and there is no consistent way to beat these decks a 100% of the time. But we can do better then 91-3 at least!

It's time for action.... Who's with me! (ps. let's use this topic for creating the best possible anti-cremation rush or anti-firestall)

[Jappert]

Anti Firestall suggestion:

by Jappert

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- Steammachines don't die easily to their CC.
- Icelance to freeze the fahrenheits or to give killing blows. (better to chain freeze em when things get tough then to explode)
- Explosion for SoG's or nasty fireshields, we can't possibly pack enough though.
- Good luck!

STATS:
1-0 (dropped a firestall from #35 to #48)
1-1 (Firebolts....)
2-1 (won thanks to a cointoss!)
3-1 (killed nantukoshade's fire rush, those icebolts are lovely, and so was his low HP)

[Fluffboll]

I would like to take up the fight against Fire decks cause they are really annoying, but I don't have a lot of Upgraded cards and electrum don't come fast enough

[wavedash]

If we assume that anti-Immolation rushes will fail against Fire stall and anti-Fire stall fails against Immolation rush, I don't think this plan will work out very well.

[petersenk]

maybe we just need a few more new cards with some clever and fun anti-fire stuff...

[Camoninja]

What about novas and reflective shields?

[Acsabi44]

oohhh so that's why my immodeck was losing rank rapidly.

Personally I see nothing wrong with it. It is not a problem, it is an effect. An effect of fire being the most badass 

[Onizuka]

There's a difference between "Most badass" and "If you don't have fire you might as well kiss top10 goodbye".

[johannhowitzer]

My Inflatable Angels (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,29202.0.html) works against both immorush and firestall.  For immorush, you can stop dragons with Gravity Force, and firebolts will generally fail at killing Archangels in one turn, allowing you to heal them.  Immorushes often neglect Explosion, which means your Shards are safe, and you will probably live long enough to pop your Miracle even if the enemy gets a good start.  For firestalls, just keep building damage and hope they don't have SoGs AND Sanctuaries.  If they don't, you'll eventually pierce through; even without Momentum, Angels will live a very long time.

During Phase 1's Task 1 of Light Trials, this deck did very well against fire decks.

[SnoWeb]

We could also create cards which are effective against immolation and SN also in an arena environment.

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[Bootsza]

I am resurrecting this thread because, after a long break from the Arena while grinding FGs, I am amazed at the amount of firestalls in the arena.

I am going to try Jappert and JH's suggested decks (plus some ideas of my own) for an extended grinding session on gold and platinum to try and break as many firestalls as I can.

[SnoWeb]

I don't see any big deal here: 9 + 5 + 4 + 4 + 2 + 1 = 25
OK there is an obvious domination of fire decks but it is because these decks are usable without brainpower. The AI play them better because the fire cards are generally simpler to play. Also It is difficult to play a deck which is good against immo-rush and fire stall. There are some but not much. Finally you can see that if you do something specifically against fire rush and stall you'll have more SNova rush and poison deck ...


I repeat myself but I believe the solution is more on having card able to soft-counter SoG, immolation and/or SN. With the coming of the new shards I would really like to see cards going in this direction.