(Entropy) Sir Valimont 2 - 0 Klaymore (Air)

[Klaymore]

Healing yourself up from ~10 to 100 hp, casting hope and killing off all the creatures of a mentally displaced AI is for most evidence of unclear behaviour. If he took a screenshot of a desynch, we would have a base to a discussion here.

In here we have a situation like this. One person won but was naive enough not to take a screenshot. He won, but the game didn't manage to send that info on time to the second player, forcing a desynch. The AI played differently, losing it's possibility to win. Player 2 does not take a screenshot. Player 2 then continues to play the AI, slowly crushes it's offence, and in the winning turn makes a screen that suggest incredible advantage.

Zeru I don't know why you keep ignoring what is said, you just see that a 'win' from one of your player is contested so you come to defend him. That's normal but I'm sorry: you are most obviously biased. And the way you keep on accusing me of cheating without any evidence is quite revealing of this. I mean you don't played or even watched the game: your funny theories are irrelevant.

Hope was played before desync, if you had talked with your team member or read more carefully what was written you would have noticed that, and SV recognized he did not noticed I had it. If I had not played it in time I could not have mathematicaly survived his attack.

Your blabla about the AI playing bad or "differently" is nonsense. I know AI can't use voodoo properly but the fully buffed doll was already on the field when the AI took over, and for quite a while. Then what did he played so bad that I could manage to turn a loose into a win? he played a couple pillars (not playing them would have changed everything ofc), and used earthquake on my pendulums, yeah... I can totally see how SV would have had played that differently... could have saved him for sure.

About the screen "suggesting incredible advantage"... I already said before that it was NOT the point and that I never denied having been lowered to very few hp. The point of it was to show that at no moment of this game SV was in position to press the spacebar and win (you can make all the fun you want about the AI, it can still do that)

Now you start going into all these conspiracy and cheating theories / "different perspectives" from which I cheated, lied and conspired but one thing is obvious to anyone who just look at the 2 decks: Hope played = Entropy looses.
I was able to play it the turn before SV would have won and I can understand how that can pisses one off but it's a game right?

I started playing Elements few monthes ago, joined this forum and thanks to Perv, had the opportunity to join an event which I thought could be some fun. And so it was for all my first matches.
Now during the most critical point of my 2nd game versus SV, right when I play the only card that can actually save me/reverse the current/puts some more fun and excitement in the game, I see a desync happening and before I have time to talk with SV about it: he posted his 'victory'.
What first came to my mind was that since it was unclear who won, we should just play some more ! We all spend lots of times making those decks and that matchup even appeared to be challenging and interesting...But SV did not wanted to rematch and you two started calling me a lier, a faker, a cheater and so on... Despise my attempt to bring concrete evidence, which was a procedure new to me as I didn't had to take screenshots before. But no... you seem to only see it as some kind of fake I made, try to convince everybody that it is totally meaningless,that I did it wrong (which might be true nevertheless I tried) and that I should be "ashamed" about how sneaky my methods are?!
To be perfectly honest: at the very start I thought about conceding victory, not because I lost or would have lost but for the ONLY reason that you two just seemed obsessively and only interested in winning some points in a online game forum event... I'm sorry but you don't randomly accuse of everything someone you don't know anything about unless there is an aim to it.
This decision impact on my teamates so I asked them and turns out we are not conceding anything. We'll follow what SG and the warmaster decided: rematch.

[kobisjeruk]

this is dangerously close to what happened to a match between Team Fire and Team Water last round... you guys should look into rematching soon

Round has ended

[Sir Valimont]

Do not respond to this thread. Read it if you're interested.

Here is what happened in the second game of the previous match:

1. On Klaymore's turn, he had 16 HP and 3 Fireflies. I had 2 Purple Dragons and 1 Discord.

2. The game desynced.

3. Klaymore put up a Hope shield, which was defense-3 because of his Fireflies.

4. It became my turn and because of the desync there was no Hope shield on his side. I never saw one at any point. Strangely, there was no indication whatsoever of a desync either.

5. I pressed the <spacebar> and with 24 damage killed him at 16 HP. Meanwhile on his screen I only hit him for 7+7+1= 15 damage because of the Hope shield.

6. We had a conversation in the Elements chat, I said good match, we discussed strategy. Klaymore made no indication he was still playing -- probably because he didn't realize I meant I had won. I didn't explicitly say "I just won the game." Similarly, I didn't take a screenshot because there was no reason for me to suspect there would be a problem.

7. Klaymore kept playing against the AI. Whether or not he saw the message that says desync, I don't know. I don't know why if he did see that message it disappeared off of his screen. Either way he only took a screenshot many turns later when it looked like the match was close. I don't think this was from bad intentions.

8. ddevans has already told me that I would have been given victory if I took a screenshot. Well I did not take a screenshot. I am not conditioned to expect my opponents to cheat, so I do not bother with them. I only take them when there is an issue that does not involve cheating. Unfortunately this time there was such an issue but I had no knowledge of it.

9. I do not understand how it is possible for Klaymore to have seen a desync but then not had it show in his screenshot.

10. Before you start running your mouths about sportsmanship, read the orange sentence in point number 8. I could have pressed the print screen button and won. My victory is being taken away 100% because I did not print my screen, which I had no logical reason to do anyway.

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I am not an idiot and I am not dishonest.

If any one of you wants to claim that there was a desync message I didn't notice, or if any one of you wants to claim there was a Hope shield that I didn't see, you are calling me an idiot.

Claiming that I finished the match early is calling me dishonest. Claiming that what I've said is untrue is calling me dishonest. It's also stupid given that Klaymore has agreed what I've said is true.

Speaking out of turn when you were not present at the match is also highly unacceptable. I respect Pervepic but this comment is not acceptable:

Just look at the screenshot Klaymore posted, apologize to him and replay. Period.

You should know better than that. The screenshot shows absolutely nothing except how easy it is to beat AI. I certainly do not owe Klaymore an apology for being pissed off that the match I won fairly is being forced into a replay by a screenshot that had nothing to do with the desync.

And this comment is even less acceptable:

It seems that the distorted claims that SV made puts his side of the story in doubt as well.

Play like sportsmen, and redo the match like Scaredgirl asked.

A general moderator who butts in unneeded and then makes remarks that I am distorting what I say is irresponsible at best and grounds for dismissal at worst. Your role in the community is not to levy insults at me when you have no knowledge of the situation. You should be impartial. If you have the gall to refer to my claims as distorted, you damn well better explain what those distortions are.

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There is one person who has been reasonable and respectable in this process, and that is Klaymore himself. He should have conceded that match as I asked him to, but given the pressure from everyone else he felt he shouldn't. I am happy to give him a rematch based solely on his good sportsmanship but I am disappointed in the completely unnecessary comments that many of the rest of you have made when you have absolutely no idea what actually happened. I am not rematching Klaymore because there should be one. This victory is already, fairly, mine.

The rematch will be posted in the other thread.

[Acsabi44]

this is dangerously close to what happened to a match between Team Fire and Team Water last round... you guys should look into rematching soon

Round has ended

That situation was entirely different.

EDIT: Ohh I understand what you meant. Yep you are right.

[Sir Valimont]

I was online for 12 hours yesterday looking for and PMing Klaymore without success. Today is a work day for me and I may not have time to rematch. I also had PMed Klaymore at the start of the round and offered to play any time for the first two days of the session but he was busy (that was before our match).

I just played against QuantumT now (subbing for Klaymore) and the game desynced. I would have had time for a second game but he refused to play before being shown a screenshot of the desync and threatened me with a screenshot of me leaving (I obviously left because the game desynced, and I confirmed it with him in chat first).

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/7748/screenshot20101129at928.png

[Daxx]

It seems that the distorted claims that SV made puts his side of the story in doubt as well.

Play like sportsmen, and redo the match like Scaredgirl asked.

A general moderator who butts in unneeded and then makes remarks that I am distorting what I say is irresponsible at best and grounds for dismissal at worst. Your role in the community is not to levy insults at me when you have no knowledge of the situation. You should be impartial. If you have the gall to refer to my claims as distorted, you damn well better explain what those distortions are.

You're stirring up a ridiculous amount of drama. I suggest you quit it.

Please also do not lecture me on what my role in the community is and is not. Try to remember that as well as a moderator I am a member of the community and a participant in the War. I am entitled to my opinion, and my opinion is that you have repeatedly and throughout this war acted in poor sportsmanship, and you very clearly misrepresented the situation and jumped to accusations of cheating before trying to settle the situation reasonably.

Speaking as a moderator: please don't try to act like a moderator. Also, I have merged your threads to keep the discussion in a single place. Also, be mindful of the following forum rule:

Disrespecting moderators.  Be respectful in both the forums and any private communications with moderators.  Moderators are volunteers that donate many, many hours of their own time to help in the forums and chat rooms.

[Sir Valimont]

Explain this comment:

I am entitled to my opinion, and my opinion is that you have repeatedly and throughout this war acted in poor sportsmanship, and you very clearly misrepresented the situation and jumped to accusations of cheating before trying to settle the situation reasonably.

I very clearly misrepresented the situation? This absolutely insulting claim needs evidence. Provide it now.

[Dogg]

Oh my.... Ok, yeah. SV thinks that the win is fairly his and Klaymore thinks that the win is fairly his, on the other hand.
Now i don't see why so much discussion about it. It is obvious that both sides HONESTLY feel like they have been damaged here. Please, try not to accuse each other without a reason. I appreciate the spirit, but let's try not to make this war game into a real war, please?

[Daxx]

You still have offered no explanation for which claims I've made that are "distorted."

Well, to start with you claimed that the match represented in Klaymore's screenshot had gone on for "a good ten turns", which other posters have pointed out is probably not true. You also claimed that the only possible way for you not to win was for you (or rather the AI playing your deck) to make a mistake - this is also not true as other posters have noted. Need I go on?

And no, you are not entitled to allow your personal sentiment or opinion get in the way of impartial moderation.

My moderation is perfectly impartial. If you have any complaints about any moderation actions I have performed, please take them to Scaredgirl rather than airing your dirty laundry in public. It seems you are confused about me posting my opinion as a poster and my role as a moderator - Scaredgirl clarified long ago that moderation duties do not prevent moderators from expressing their personal opinions.

[QuantumT]

I was online for 12 hours yesterday looking for and PMing Klaymore without success. Today is a work day for me and I may not have time to rematch. I also had PMed Klaymore at the start of the round and offered to play any time for the first two days of the session but he was busy (that was before our match).

I just played against QuantumT now (subbing for Klaymore) and the game desynced. I would have had time for a second game but he refused to play before being shown a screenshot of the desync and threatened me with a screenshot of me leaving (I obviously left because the game desynced, and I confirmed it with him in chat first).

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/7748/screenshot20101129at928.png

If you were online during that time, you never came to chat. I know because I was there.

I did not ok you leaving the game. I said I was going to continue, as nothing weird had happened on my side. I had no desync symbol and all quanta looked fine, so I don't think given the circumstances under which this match is taking place that asking for a screenshot it unreasonable in the slightest.

I will not be available from about 9:15 PST to 11:15 PST (17:15 GMT to 19:15 GMT), as I have class, but I will be available for the remainder of that time

Edit: SV I thought you had to go to work. Why are you still posting?

[kobisjeruk]

this is dangerously close to what happened to a match between Team Fire and Team Water last round... you guys should look into rematching soon

Round has ended

That situation was entirely different.

i meant to say if they dont resolve this soon, we might be seeing another match AFTER the duel phase ended and i'm sure nobody wants that, not the WM at least

[QuantumT]

Ok so more testing was performed, with constant updates going back and forth, and there where discrepancies in the hp both times. The problem basically occurred every time I got creatures on the board versus gravity pulled doll. We had a game where it showed a win for my opponent but where I got fairly low and recovered, just like what happened in the contested game between klaymore and sir valimont.

As for what to do, I don't think it's really a fair solution to just keep replaying games until the desyncs don't occur, because there will occasionally be games where we can't get creatures to the board at all and those won't suffer any desyncs. I feel the match is basically unplayable.