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Muslim https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48102.msg1055273#msg1055273
« on: March 29, 2013, 07:56:55 pm »
Hi im a muslim which means i am of the Islamic faith. and i just felt like i need to clear up some things (and also i need to get thirty posts hahah). anyways first of all just cause we are Muslim doesn't mean we hate the other religions. quite the contrary respect other religions a great deal and secondly we are not all terrorists -_-  and thirdly we do not believe in that 27 virgins in heaven crap.
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Re: Muslim https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48102.msg1067790#msg1067790
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2013, 05:29:18 pm »
Yeah, there is a lot of misconceptions about muslims. Most are actually quite friendly, it is just they get their bad reputation from radical ones.
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Re: Muslim https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48102.msg1067801#msg1067801
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2013, 05:56:46 pm »
Yeah man, most educated people see past the american propaganda.

Unfortunately, most people aren't educated.

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Re: Muslim https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48102.msg1067806#msg1067806
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2013, 06:08:24 pm »
Yeah man, most educated people see past the american propaganda.

Unfortunately, most people aren't educated.

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Re: Muslim https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48102.msg1067807#msg1067807
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2013, 06:10:39 pm »
It's simply fearmongering in the media. People are scared and want SOMEONE to answer for a very violent side to something foreign to them.
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Re: Muslim https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48102.msg1067859#msg1067859
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2013, 08:31:37 pm »
Marsu: the truth is most people are not educated.
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Re: Muslim https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48102.msg1067866#msg1067866
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2013, 08:49:28 pm »
Hi im a muslim which means i am of the Islamic faith. and i just felt like i need to clear up some things (and also i need to get thirty posts hahah). anyways first of all just cause we are Muslim doesn't mean we hate the other religions. quite the contrary respect other religions a great deal and secondly we are not all terrorists -_-  and thirdly we do not believe in that 27 virgins in heaven crap.

The way you say it, you seem to think it is absurd.  Where did the rumour get started then? Do radical muslims actually believe it? That is a huge stereotype in my area of America, and I'm very curious now.
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Re: Muslim https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48102.msg1068185#msg1068185
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2013, 05:58:06 pm »
Hi im a muslim which means i am of the Islamic faith. and i just felt like i need to clear up some things (and also i need to get thirty posts hahah). anyways first of all just cause we are Muslim doesn't mean we hate the other religions. quite the contrary respect other religions a great deal and secondly we are not all terrorists -_-  and thirdly we do not believe in that 27 virgins in heaven crap.

The way you say it, you seem to think it is absurd.  Where did the rumour get started then? Do radical muslims actually believe it? That is a huge stereotype in my area of America, and I'm very curious now.

From what I gather, there was a segment where a very influential group of people were told this in order to earn their favor or distract them... or something. Somehow it got turned into something tossed about heavily on hearsay, and now most Western areas believe it's canon.
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Re: Muslim https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48102.msg1098646#msg1098646
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2013, 10:16:09 pm »
Speaking as an ex-muslim and someone living in a country with millions of muslims.

anyways first of all just cause we are Muslim doesn't mean we hate the other religions. quite the contrary respect other religions a great deal  -_-  and thirdly we do not believe in that 27 virgins in heaven crap.
Turkey is possibly the most open minded islam country and i still call your statement BS. Sorry. No religion, let alone islam, respects other religions. In many arab countries if a muslim becomes a christian, he will get beheaded. Muslims call demeaning names to the members of other religions and think they are sort of heretics (to different levels, depending on the sect). Members of any religion hate other religions. They only supress their feelings & thoughts to look superior. :)

"27 virgins in heaven crap" ? (you mean 72 i think) Religious people mocking other insane beliefs always make my day. Well muslims believe they will intercourse virgin girls and boys in heaven and drink from fountains of wine (banned in islam) if they are deemed worthy. Almost all of them believe that. But then again, this is not a bad belief by itself. I'd love to do all of the people in the world -past,present and future- if i could.

and secondly we are not all terrorists

That's true. They believe that because western society is as moron as eastern society plus more racist. I personally know thousands of muslims and not a single one of them will take a weapon in their hands to harm other people for religion.
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Re: Muslim https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48102.msg1098650#msg1098650
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2013, 10:46:52 pm »
Well the reason why muslims got so many bad rumors is because Islam is still used as a toll to control many people in different countries and many people think that many of the strict rules those countries has is a part of the religion which is not true. Same with christianity, you could argue that it was Christianity that killed heretic people back in the day but the truth is that it was the church who did and that are 2 very different things.
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Re: Muslim https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48102.msg1114905#msg1114905
« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2013, 04:55:39 am »
anyways first of all just cause we are Muslim doesn't mean we hate the other religions. quite the contrary respect other religions a great deal and secondly we are not all terrorists -_- 



Spoiler for quotes from the Qu'ran, not comprehensive:
Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority"

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-"
 
Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
 
Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah"

Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." 

Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

 

How do you reconcile your quote, above, with these quotes from the Qu'ran?  I'm not going to make the strong claim that Islam is the sole faith that preaches violence against heretics, non-believers, and apostates - but it does seem, based on its holy texts, to be one of the more overt about it.
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Re: Muslim https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48102.msg1114950#msg1114950
« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2013, 12:16:57 pm »
anyways first of all just cause we are Muslim doesn't mean we hate the other religions. quite the contrary respect other religions a great deal and secondly we are not all terrorists -_- 
Spoiler for quotes from the Qu'ran, not comprehensive:
Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority"

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-"
 
Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
 
Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah"

Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

 How do you reconcile your quote, above, with these quotes from the Qu'ran?  I'm not going to make the strong claim that Islam is the sole faith that preaches violence against heretics, non-believers, and apostates - but it does seem, based on its holy texts, to be one of the more overt about it.

Just because there are some ancient "holy texts" (in each religion) doesn't mean that people will follow them.
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