Think about which came first: the chicken or the egg?
The egg came first. Much older species than chickens use eggs to reproduce.
I thought it was apparent that I meant "egg" as in "chicken egg."
Remember, things can have a "not begining" . For example:
Stewie and Brian travel back in time using Stewie's time machine. They are warped outside the space-time continuum, before the Big Bang. To return home, Stewie overloads the return pad and they are boosted back into the space-time continuum by an explosion. Stewie later studies the radiation footprints of the Big Bang and the explosion of his return pad. He discovers that they match, and he concludes that he is actually the creator of the universe. He explains his theory to Brian, who replies with "But Stewie, the universe created you. How could you have created the universe?" Stewie explains that it is a temporal causality loop, which is an example of a predestination paradox.
But that theory is logically impossible since Stewie had to be created in order to be the creator. There can't be a loop unless it starts somewhere. Just like in a song where one person starts , then another, then another and they all keep repeating the song, it still had a beginning.
We are not talking about Canons or Rounds, we're talking about a cycle. You cannot disprove this theory by saying that "loops cannot be created", because that is the point, that it cannot be created. There is no evidence that conclusively disproves the existence of an infinite loop (one with no beginning). Think about which came first: the chicken or the egg?
Chicken or the egg? With evolution it is clearly the egg. With creationism it may or may not be the chicken. The Stewie thing is like the "Can I go back in time and kill my grandpa?" It cancels itself out because it is not logically possible. If he was uncaused, therefore being able to cause existence, then it is reasonable to conclude that Brian is uncaused too, and everything they used to cause existence as well. If I keep following this train of thought, then I end up with the conclusion that everything is uncaused, therefore making Stewie's theory false, since you can't cause the uncaused.
Or maybe Stewie just can't kill his grandpa. If we assume that Stewie caused the creation of the universe, then we assume that there is only one time continuum that cannot be changed, although agents (such as Stewie and Brian) can freely, within the laws of the time continuum, move through time using a time machine.
This question is really easy.
Talking about chickens and eggs : Animal are evolving all the time and it's really hard to tell when chicken predecessor becomes chicken. But I know that first was egg laid by chicken predecessor which hatched into chicken, however it's stupid to claim that chicken predecessor which laid the egg and hatched chicken are different because they identical. This transformations takes minimaly hundreds of years so it's impossible to determine when chicken becomes chicken. But I say chicken was always chicken in view of current time
In metaphor to first life it's easy too
First life was primitive, despite the Dna and some other complicated stuff. First life didn't laid eggs it multiplied itself giving its best genes corresponding to a current enviroment and clustered with other cells to create more complex organisms.
And your infinite loop theory isn't actually infinite loop, universe continues after stewie comes back to present.
And imagine this, ourobouros explanation how I call it
Why are you digging ?
To make a hole.
And why are making hole?
In order to dig
Does it make a sense?
Sorry to bring up the whole chicken and egg thing again, but this post contained very sound reasoning... and then came to the wrong conclusion.
You aptly pointed out that an animal is the same as the egg it hatched from, but the egg is not necessarily the same as the animal that laid it.
Step A:
Imagine you have isolated what you believe to be the first chicken.
Now, we know that that chicken came out of an egg, and that this egg is, by definition, a chicken egg.
Step B:
Now, there are two possible ways to precede.
1)First case is that we were wrong before, and that this chicken egg was in fact laid by a chicken.
This new chicken is now the "first chicken", and we return to the beginning (step A)
or
2) Second possibility is that this egg was laid by something other than a chicken, in which case the chicken egg existed before the first chicken.
You can start this process with any chicken, and, after a large number of alternations between A and B1, you will eventually hit B2, in which case the egg came first.
There is no way to exit this loop without choosing B2 at some point.
QED
(N.B. if you subscribe to a creationist view, the chicken came first, according to Genesis, which implies all animals (including humans), being originally created in adult form)
