are you creationist or evolutionist?

[Artois]

Im confused... so was God (or the intelligent designer) created or did he/she/it evolve... and what existed before the creator?!   

[BluePriest]

Im confused... so was God (or the intelligent designer) created or did he/she/it evolve... and what existed before the creator?!   

Where did God come from?

God always has and always will be in existence, has no beginning or end.

[OldTrees]

Im confused... so was God (or the intelligent designer) created or did he/she/it evolve... and what existed before the creator?!   

Being caused is not a necessary condition of existence.
There exist things that were caused.
There exist causes for things that were caused.
For each of these caused things, there was at least one uncaused cause.
Caused things might share uncaused causes.

Possible uncaused causes:
A Being that always existed/caused itself to exist/other explanation for uncaused nature
Natural Laws that always existed/caused themselves to exist/other explaination for uncaused nature
Other
Multiple

[Artois]

... but the conundrum Im facing is that, without a doubt, life as we know it, is so amazing, spectacular, and fantastically designed to the last detail, that something must of 'created' it... and in turn, I am quite convinced, that something so immeasurably spectacular, that it is capable of creating all this life, that a god thus amazing to the last detail, can't spontaneously exist, it/he/she must be created, but by who or what?! 

[maverixk]

... but the conundrum Im facing is that, without a doubt, life as we know it, is so amazing, spectacular, and fantastically designed to the last detail, that something must of 'created' it... and in turn, I am quite convinced, that something so immeasurably spectacular, that it is capable of creating all this life, that a god thus amazing to the last detail, can't spontaneously exist, it/he/she must be created, but by who or what?! 

Just because something is complex and amazing in our eyes does not, by any means, mean that some deity or organism, or sentient being had to have created it.
Complexity is subjective. What is complex or amazing in your eyes may not be complex or amazing in my eyes.

[Pineapple]

Assume us, being amazing, warrants our creation by a purposeful being.
Then wouldn't God, being even more amazing, warrant his creature by a purposeful being more powerful than God?
Therefore, this reasoning is a bit flawed.

I'm a bit confused on this topic. Obviously, evolution is not a complete theory because life had to have started somewhere, unless it always existed (even before the earth was created). Therefore, life had to have been "created" at some point. In this way, you can believe in both Creationism and Evolution.
Unless you assume that to believe in Creationism is to believe that life was created as is. However, there isn't anything in this world that humans can objectively observe as evidence for one side that directly goes against another side, since humans' lifespans are too short to observe Evolution in effect. I could believe that a pineapple created the world as is, placing fossils of common ancestors in the layers of rock. You can say "a pineapple that does that isn't a just and fair pineapple", but maybe I believe in a powerful, malevolent pineapple.

[Artois]

Assume us, being amazing, warrants our creation by a purposeful being.
Then wouldn't God, being even more amazing, warrant his creature by a purposeful being more powerful than God?
Therefore, this reasoning is a bit flawed.

I'm a bit confused on this topic. Obviously, evolution is not a complete theory because life had to have started somewhere, unless it always existed (even before the earth was created). Therefore, life had to have been "created" at some point. In this way, you can believe in both Creationism and Evolution.
Unless you assume that to believe in Creationism is to believe that life was created as is. However, there isn't anything in this world that humans can objectively observe as evidence for one side that directly goes against another side, since humans' lifespans are too short to observe Evolution in effect. I could believe that a pineapple created the world as is, placing fossils of common ancestors in the layers of rock. You can say "a pineapple that does that isn't a just and fair pineapple", but maybe I believe in a powerful, malevolent pineapple.

Thats silly... but begets the question, who/or what created the powerful, malevolent pineapple God? 

[maverixk]

Assume us, being amazing, warrants our creation by a purposeful being.
Then wouldn't God, being even more amazing, warrant his creature by a purposeful being more powerful than God?
Therefore, this reasoning is a bit flawed.

I'm a bit confused on this topic. Obviously, evolution is not a complete theory because life had to have started somewhere, unless it always existed (even before the earth was created). Therefore, life had to have been "created" at some point. In this way, you can believe in both Creationism and Evolution.
Unless you assume that to believe in Creationism is to believe that life was created as is. However, there isn't anything in this world that humans can objectively observe as evidence for one side that directly goes against another side, since humans' lifespans are too short to observe Evolution in effect. I could believe that a pineapple created the world as is, placing fossils of common ancestors in the layers of rock. You can say "a pineapple that does that isn't a just and fair pineapple", but maybe I believe in a powerful, malevolent pineapple.

Thats silly... but begets the question, who/or what created the powerful, malevolent pineapple God?

It's just a silly as saying God created the world. In principle, at least.

[Artois]

Assume us, being amazing, warrants our creation by a purposeful being.
Then wouldn't God, being even more amazing, warrant his creature by a purposeful being more powerful than God?
Therefore, this reasoning is a bit flawed.

I'm a bit confused on this topic. Obviously, evolution is not a complete theory because life had to have started somewhere, unless it always existed (even before the earth was created). Therefore, life had to have been "created" at some point. In this way, you can believe in both Creationism and Evolution.
Unless you assume that to believe in Creationism is to believe that life was created as is. However, there isn't anything in this world that humans can objectively observe as evidence for one side that directly goes against another side, since humans' lifespans are too short to observe Evolution in effect. I could believe that a pineapple created the world as is, placing fossils of common ancestors in the layers of rock. You can say "a pineapple that does that isn't a just and fair pineapple", but maybe I believe in a powerful, malevolent pineapple.

Thats silly... but begets the question, who/or what created the powerful, malevolent pineapple God?

It's just a silly as saying God created the world. In principle, at least.

If you think thats silly, then who/what created the world if not God?

[Pineapple]

Assume us, being amazing, warrants our creation by a purposeful being.
Then wouldn't God, being even more amazing, warrant his creature by a purposeful being more powerful than God?
Therefore, this reasoning is a bit flawed.

I'm a bit confused on this topic. Obviously, evolution is not a complete theory because life had to have started somewhere, unless it always existed (even before the earth was created). Therefore, life had to have been "created" at some point. In this way, you can believe in both Creationism and Evolution.
Unless you assume that to believe in Creationism is to believe that life was created as is. However, there isn't anything in this world that humans can objectively observe as evidence for one side that directly goes against another side, since humans' lifespans are too short to observe Evolution in effect. I could believe that a pineapple created the world as is, placing fossils of common ancestors in the layers of rock. You can say "a pineapple that does that isn't a just and fair pineapple", but maybe I believe in a powerful, malevolent pineapple.

Thats silly... but begets the question, who/or what created the powerful, malevolent pineapple God?

It's just a silly as saying God created the world. In principle, at least.

If you think thats silly, then who/what created the world if not God?

Look, you're trying to discredit my amazing pineapple by saying that it must have a creator.
Well, you haven't exactly proven that the creator of the world cannot have a creator.
Therefore, I can throw this argument right back at you by asking you, "Who created God?"

And we are clearly veering off my original point; that this topic is only pertinent for Christians and anti-Christians.

[maverixk]

Assume us, being amazing, warrants our creation by a purposeful being.
Then wouldn't God, being even more amazing, warrant his creature by a purposeful being more powerful than God?
Therefore, this reasoning is a bit flawed.

I'm a bit confused on this topic. Obviously, evolution is not a complete theory because life had to have started somewhere, unless it always existed (even before the earth was created). Therefore, life had to have been "created" at some point. In this way, you can believe in both Creationism and Evolution.
Unless you assume that to believe in Creationism is to believe that life was created as is. However, there isn't anything in this world that humans can objectively observe as evidence for one side that directly goes against another side, since humans' lifespans are too short to observe Evolution in effect. I could believe that a pineapple created the world as is, placing fossils of common ancestors in the layers of rock. You can say "a pineapple that does that isn't a just and fair pineapple", but maybe I believe in a powerful, malevolent pineapple.

Thats silly... but begets the question, who/or what created the powerful, malevolent pineapple God?

It's just a silly as saying God created the world. In principle, at least.

If you think thats silly, then who/what created the world if not God?

Perhaps I believe that the big bang+the laws of this universe created Earth and not a Deity.

[BluePriest]

Who created the creator because that creator had to be equally spectacular. Once again, Always, always is, and always will be. You have made no logical argument as to why that could not be, as such, I will stick with it.