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[ElementalDearWatson]

Joshua and Jeremiah were 100% believers, God could prove His existence to them. We are not saying anything different here.

How is that not interfering with their free will?  Then they no longer have the ability to doubt, do they?  And how is giving them commands after proving his existence not interfering with their free will?

[batboy2002]

i can't explain it there's a part of me that wants to beleive in it then there's another part of me saying use logical sense and look at the signs and science i'm so turnt around and tied in a not i don't know what to do or to say

[batboy2002]

at some point i'm researching and reading and praying and i need to pray for god to forgive me i guess

[ElementalDearWatson]

i can't explain it there's a part of me that wants to beleive in it[...]

Why?

then there's another part of me saying use logical sense and look at the signs and science i'm so turnt around and tied in a not i don't know what to do or to say

Well, if on the one hand you have what you'd like to believe is true, and on the other you have what you believe the evidence shows to be true, then what I'd do is question how likely you think it is that the universe becomes what you want it to be.

[ARTHANASIOS]

How is that not interfering with their free will?  Then they no longer have the ability to doubt, do they?  And how is giving them commands after proving his existence not interfering with their free will?

No, it does not interfere with their free will because, as I said above, they already believed deeply and true. And yes, they can doubt it if they want it to, by telling lies to themselves like "I was drunk" or something like that (there is always room to make excuses for not believing after witnessing a miracle). Moreover, they have the right to disobey His commands even after witnessing all these stuff. No free will has been stolen...

[ElementalDearWatson]

No, it does not interfere with their free will because, as I said above, they already believed deeply and true.

But now they can't not do so, because he's proven his existence.

And yes, they can doubt it if they want it to, by telling lies to themselves like "I was drunk" or something like that (there is always room to make excuses for not believing after witnessing a miracle).

Why is this not true for people who didn't already "believe[...] deeply and true"?

Moreover, they have the right to disobey His commands even after witnessing all these stuff. No free will has been stolen...

Sane question as above.

[ARTHANASIOS]

Take Lucifer's example; an entity that knew God very well and yet it denied Him. People can do the same and this is true for all people; true believers, fake believers, non-believers...

[ElementalDearWatson]

People can do the same and this is true for all people; true believers, fake believers, non-believers...

Then why would it be taking away the free will of a non-believer to prove his existence, but not the free will of a true believer?  Surely you've just said that even a non-believer could still deny him?

[ARTHANASIOS]

People can do the same and this is true for all people; true believers, fake believers, non-believers...

Then why would it be taking away the free will of a non-believer to prove his existence, but not the free will of a true believer?  Surely you've just said that even a non-believer could still deny him?

Belief is not absolute but more like a percentage. A 0% believer allows 0% of divine aid, a 100% believer fully allows God to fully interfere.

[ElementalDearWatson]

That sill doesn't answer the question of why God proving his existence to a non-believer would take away his or her free will.

[ARTHANASIOS]

That sill doesn't answer the question of why God proving his existence to a non-believer would take away his or her free will.

Because many non-believers, deeply within their hearts, do NOT want to learn about God and the way of love and everything because they will feel forced to obey (though God does not enforces anyone to do so) and they really do not want to. They love their hedonistic lives, their hatred, their sins and they do not want to change. For example, how many guys or girls today REALLY wish to remain virgins till their marriage (I've chosen this example because it is a very common one). In situations like that, God is better to let these people the way they are and not prove His existence to them, otherwise it will just make things worse.

[ElementalDearWatson]

Because many non-believers, deeply within their hearts, do NOT want to learn about God and the way of love and everything because they will feel forced to obey (though God does not enforces anyone to do so) and they really do not want to.

You yourself said that they can still deny him.  And I would put it to you that believers can also feel an obligation to obey.

You've still not said anything that differentiates between believers and non-believers, here.

They love their hedonistic lives, their hatred, their sins and they do not want to change.

Then they can deny him.

For example, how many guys or girls today REALLY wish to remain virgins till their marriage (I've chosen this example because it is a very common one). In situations like that, God is better to let these people the way they are and not prove His existence to them, otherwise it will just make things worse.

Whether or not something is better is a different question as to whether or not it takes away someone's free will.