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Speedbowj33 - SBJ33 - AI3 Speed Grinder https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30708.msg390296#msg390296
« on: September 07, 2011, 03:56:59 pm »
As a person who gained street cred in this game from posting solid decks, I became known mostly for being able to develop good rainbows under the tutelage of jmdt.  From the looks of the ttw study (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,17173.0.html), the archives are lacking a real fast non-immo speedbow, or at least one without a few dead cards for the purposes of that study.  As a newly appointed master, I felt it was my duty to develop a rainbow that goes hard.  The goal was to make one which posted at sub-6 ttw.  I also worked on making an earth rush and light rush (one to celebrate my new mastership, one to honor my former team).  I found that earth was already covered, as I couldn't make anything that was quicker than - this (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10968.0) by BloodlinE213.  I did post a mono light, which is just a modification of Terro's previously posted mono, and it can be found - here (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,30707.0.html).
I figured I've posted enough solid decks now that I should make one with a lulzy egotistical name by now.  Also, it's probably about the 33rd solid speedbow posted on these forums, so it's aptly named.
TL;DR version: I made a QT-based speedbow, and its fast.

I present SBJ33:

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6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6u2 6u2 6u2 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 713 713 745 77g 77g 7ae 7ae 7dq 7gm 7jr 7mu 7qb 7tb 7tb 80g 8pj


Stats:

Games: 50Avg ttw: 5.91837Avg. sec/game: 60.48Wins: 49Losses: 1Ems: 6EM %: 12
Score gained: 1011
Electrum gained: 1271
Time overall (min.): 50.14
IG Score Efficiency: 1203.571
TSE (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,21923.msg300098.html#msg300098): 1047.668

ttw 3: 0
ttw 4: 0
ttw 5: 20
ttw 6: 20
ttw 7: 4
ttw 8: 3
ttw 9: 2
ttw 10: 0
ttw 11: 0
ttw 12: 0
ttw 13: 0
ttw 14: 0
ttw 15: 0
ttw 16: 0
ttw 17: 0
ttw 18: 0
ttw 19: 0
ttw 20: 0
4 ttw's are possible and expected, I just didn't get any in the 50 games I tested.

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Re: Speedbowj33 - SBJ33 - AI3 Speed Grinder https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30708.msg390302#msg390302
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2011, 04:04:12 pm »
How many games exactly would you estimate that you found yourself coming up 1-10 damage short of winning by the end of the turn?
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Re: Speedbowj33 - SBJ33 - AI3 Speed Grinder https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30708.msg390306#msg390306
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2011, 04:10:19 pm »
How many games exactly would you estimate that you found yourself coming up 1-10 damage short of winning by the end of the turn?
2 or 3 if I had to guess.  I messed around with several different builds/tests before settling on this one.  What's your suggestion?

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Re: Speedbowj33 - SBJ33 - AI3 Speed Grinder https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30708.msg390307#msg390307
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2011, 04:16:27 pm »
How many games exactly would you estimate that you found yourself coming up 1-10 damage short of winning by the end of the turn?
2 or 3 if I had to guess.  I messed around with several different builds/tests before settling on this one.  What's your suggestion?
-1 QT, +1...something.  Another Frog and another Precog came to my mind first, but hell, something as abstract as Nightmare might work as well.  I won't recommend PC since it's not going to be very useful unless you have at least 2 sources.
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Re: Speedbowj33 - SBJ33 - AI3 Speed Grinder https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30708.msg390310#msg390310
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2011, 04:21:17 pm »
How many games exactly would you estimate that you found yourself coming up 1-10 damage short of winning by the end of the turn?
2 or 3 if I had to guess.  I messed around with several different builds/tests before settling on this one.  What's your suggestion?
-1 QT, +1...something.  Another Frog and another Precog came to my mind first, but hell, something as abstract as Nightmare might work as well.  I won't recommend PC since it's not going to be very useful unless you have at least 2 sources.
-1 QT, +1 Precog was 6.0273 through 50 games.

-1 QT, +1 Nightmare was 6.0408 through 50 games.

It seemed to leave the deck JUST quanta starved enough that the 6th QT was beneficial.  I also tried dual LS versions which were slower regardless of 5 or 6 QTs, kind of surprising to me.  Hadn't thought of trying a 3rd frog though.  It might be worth looking into.

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Re: Speedbowj33 - SBJ33 - AI3 Speed Grinder https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30708.msg390331#msg390331
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2011, 05:24:50 pm »
i would go -1 destroyer +2 MP, just cause i like mah 31 carders
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Re: Speedbowj33 - SBJ33 - AI3 Speed Grinder https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30708.msg390802#msg390802
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2011, 07:55:16 pm »
Just got a 4 ttw with the OP deck with turn 2 :  LD + graboid + charger + CP > +5 attack  then I drew pegasi and crawler
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Re: Speedbowj33 - SBJ33 - AI3 Speed Grinder https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30708.msg457706#msg457706
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2012, 11:57:48 pm »
i find this deck better with +1 black hole and -1 pegasus for +1 crusader

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Re: Speedbowj33 - SBJ33 - AI3 Speed Grinder https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30708.msg457711#msg457711
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2012, 12:06:58 am »
Seems you need a lot of air quanta in order to dive wrym and pegasus...maybe swap in a UG for wrym?

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Re: Speedbowj33 - SBJ33 - AI3 Speed Grinder https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30708.msg457723#msg457723
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2012, 12:32:37 am »
Seems you need a lot of air quanta in order to dive wrym and pegasus...maybe swap in a UG for wrym?
It's not very common that both of those cards will be drawn simultaneously, so I've never considered it that prominent of an issue.  And then there's the fact that Wyrms deal insane amounts of damage depending on the amount of attack Chaos Powers give you, meaning that UG would slow the deck down on some occasions.
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Re: Speedbowj33 - SBJ33 - AI3 Speed Grinder https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30708.msg458750#msg458750
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2012, 01:56:16 am »
how would -1 cp +1werewolf be? it's a consistent 6 damage if you get it out compared to the 1-6 randomness

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Re: Speedbowj33 - SBJ33 - AI3 Speed Grinder https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30708.msg458811#msg458811
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2012, 06:45:56 am »
It's slower and lycan can't boost wyrm or pegasus. Moreover the bonus is between 1-5 but if you play this on a diving creature it become 2-10. way more interesting no ?
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