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OTsKy [FG] [OTK] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43548.msg1000856#msg1000856
« on: September 19, 2012, 02:05:39 am »
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Sky Dragon + Unstoppable + Rage Elixir = 20/2 momentum + 4 Twin Universe + Skyblitz = 200 damage OTK !!

just stall with Phase Shield and draw with Hourglass until you have 20  :air and 24  :aether
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still a work in progress but it works !!  :P

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80% in 59 matches (TTW 13/14)


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Re: SkyOTK [FG] [OTK] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43548.msg1000859#msg1000859
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2012, 02:18:55 am »
Nice 1, since it's an 8 card combo, should be more stable on drawing xtra cards and stalling.

Since you got the idea from a limitless speed deck, maybe name it something like 'Sky is the Limit'?

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Re: SkyOTK [FG] [OTK] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43548.msg1000873#msg1000873
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2012, 02:54:22 am »
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Re: SkyOTK [FG] [OTK] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43548.msg1000880#msg1000880
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2012, 03:01:30 am »
Quanta production is still wonky, but I love how you replaced  :light independance for more  :air production. Can't wait to see some stats!

EDIT: I have been working on it in the trainer, but the main difference between this combo and LS one (taking out the  :aether production, that's fixable) is that in LS I could give all the  :air production with almost all the  :light to the QTs and now you have to build 3 strong quanta generators instead of 2. I couldn't make a consistent quanta generation in my few minutes of testing. I got better results making it arround 40 cards with 5 glasses and 6 dim shields. Extra shields and classes can be discarded, but you have more chances of getting them soon.
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Re: SkyOTK [FG] [OTK] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43548.msg1000971#msg1000971
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2012, 08:57:22 am »
Quanta production is still wonky, but I love how you replaced  :light independance for more  :air production. Can't wait to see some stats!

EDIT: I have been working on it in the trainer, but the main difference between this combo and LS one (taking out the  :aether production, that's fixable) is that in LS I could give all the  :air production with almost all the  :light to the QTs and now you have to build 3 strong quanta generators instead of 2. I couldn't make a consistent quanta generation in my few minutes of testing. I got better results making it arround 40 cards with 5 glasses and 6 dim shields. Extra shields and classes can be discarded, but you have more chances of getting them soon.

With 5 Phase Shield we got 15 turns of protection. enough to accumulate  :air  &  :aether quanta.

This build can OTK in 10 turns so you need more Glasses and more Shield only if you want more stability and less speed IMO.
my only thought is to find a place for a 4th Glasses.

I have no time to do stats, so if someone want to test.......

Maybe the name could be OTsKy ???

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Re: SkyOTK [FG] [OTK] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43548.msg1000975#msg1000975
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2012, 09:16:03 am »
One of the biggest problems that I have with instosis, is that its an 8 card combo if you need chimera, which means your hand can be full, and you're not allowed to discard any of those cards if you dont have enough quanta, and i feel that this deck will suffer from that even more than instosis, because instosis can be played with 4 SNs and 12 time quanta, you just need to get quite lucky.

I like the idea of adding more cards and glasses because it reduces the above problem , but you get a new problem, the combo requires 24 aether to play and risks having 28 quanta and a phase shield in you hand, and after too many cards, you risk not even being able to draw phase shields.

I think the deck idea is good, just not sure on the quanta usage vs generation, and possible problems of full hands.

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Re: SkyOTK [FG] [OTK] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43548.msg1000978#msg1000978
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2012, 09:25:33 am »
One of the biggest problems that I have with instosis, is that its an 8 card combo if you need chimera, which means your hand can be full, and you're not allowed to discard any of those cards if you dont have enough quanta, and i feel that this deck will suffer from that even more than instosis, because instosis can be played with 4 SNs and 12 time quanta, you just need to get quite lucky.

I like the idea of adding more cards and glasses because it reduces the above problem , but you get a new problem, the combo requires 24 aether to play and risks having 28 quanta and a phase shield in you hand, and after too many cards, you risk not even being able to draw phase shields.

I think the deck idea is good, just not sure on the quanta usage vs generation, and possible problems of full hands.

Of course 8 card combo could be a problem, but as in Limitless Speed you can always play (or discard) a phase shield.

Of course Intosis is faster and better, but OTsKy is shardless (and with 15 turns of protection)!!!

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Re: SkyOTK [FG] [OTK] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43548.msg1000982#msg1000982
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2012, 09:49:09 am »
Yes but the problem is to discard a card you need a full hand, what if the next card is the 8th card that you need, but you dont have the quanta yet, and wont when your next dim shield runs out, what I'm talking about isnt the primary say 30% of games won by this deck, but the factors that effect the next 10, 15, 25 % which separates good decks from GREAT decks. 

However if you read my post in general about win rate statistics, you'll understand that win rate is almost unprovable, and that reducing the complexity, and therefore play time for a deck, will yield the most reliable increase in a deck's per hour performance.

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Re: SkyOTK [FG] [OTK] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43548.msg1000992#msg1000992
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2012, 10:21:36 am »
Yes but the problem is to discard a card you need a full hand, what if the next card is the 8th card that you need, but you dont have the quanta yet, and wont when your next dim shield runs out, what I'm talking about isnt the primary say 30% of games won by this deck, but the factors that effect the next 10, 15, 25 % which separates good decks from GREAT decks. 

However if you read my post in general about win rate statistics, you'll understand that win rate is almost unprovable, and that reducing the complexity, and therefore play time for a deck, will yield the most reliable increase in a deck's per hour performance.

So you think that Intosis isn't a Great deck ? ?_?

The odds of having the combo of 8 cards in the early game are very very low...
but it can happen! It's an 8 card combo so no possibility to avoid that

I think this deck is a less complex version of Limitless Speed (or at least this was my attempt) and maybe faster...

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Re: OTsKy [FG] [OTK] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43548.msg1001491#msg1001491
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2012, 01:08:31 pm »
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You were right, it needed more hourglasses/shields...

I'm also collecting stats.... so far I'm about 70% against playable Gods with 12/13 TTW

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Re: OTsKy [FG] [OTK] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43548.msg1001505#msg1001505
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2012, 02:17:48 pm »
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Re: OTsKy [FG] [OTK] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43548.msg1001573#msg1001573
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Pic with -2 QP + time pendulums. Time uses to lack though (it's Hermes)


it's a TTK .....  :P

anyway, thanx Chapuz (+ rep) you're simply great !! I will add it to the OP.

Do you think it could have the same win% as semi-unupped Limitless Speed ?

 

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